people that blame everything on one person are kinda naive, sure the game got worse, but it's not the fault of ONE man, it's the fault of an entire team, luckily the old devs are back now, so WoD might actually be a great expansion
people that blame everything on one person are kinda naive, sure the game got worse, but it's not the fault of ONE man, it's the fault of an entire team, luckily the old devs are back now, so WoD might actually be a great expansion
After all the bitching, ANY job would be a "great new opportunity"...
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It means you need to stop slacking and start posting leaks
I want to know all boss mechanics for the next 3 expansions RIGHT NOW!
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Enough for blizzard to have to increase time between events, the shaman raidcooldown totem is one
Are you a senior game developer in California? You don't know what they pay. Just because he's in a prominent position in a highly lucrative game doesn't mean another studio wouldn't be able to give him a better offer, either pay-wise or career progression-wise. If he's really that well regarded a studio might try to poach him for example.
It's not just a change of pace, if you work on the same thing too long there's a risk of stagnating, I see it in my industry as well. It's not good for your career.
Yeah, just throw in attunement chains, resist gear and remove achievements and the subs will hit 100 million amirite?
^ Assuming that the old devs are stuck in the past simply because they worked on the game back then. And that had they continued to work on the game, they wouldn't have chosen to evolve the game in obvious ways just like GC et al did.
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Oh, you aren't.
it's not about features, it's about stuff like streamlining everything that goes against the nature of a role playing game, attunemet chains are awesome, resistance gear is awesome, achievements are awesome and yeah I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have evolved the game into what it is today, ghostcrawler and his team are balance fanatics, imo immersion and class identity must never suffer due to balance, which both clearly did; Id rather get oneshot a thousand times by an op class than having every class feel the same; Id rather have some classes perform better in raids than others if it means that they are unique, distinctive classes, the game didnt lose millions of people because it got a few years older, the game was old back in Wrath too, no no the game lost players because the players didnt like the game anymore as much as they used to; look at eve it's GAINING subs and how old is it, no idea, but old; cs 1.6 is still pretty active; blaming the sub losses on the game's age is the easy way out and sure as hell not the absolute truth
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is he a scapegoat?
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Mormolyce, If you want me to go into specifics about working in the industry I could, as I actually have family members that work in very high positions at NBC, Disney, and a family friend that actually did work at Blizzard, but had to leave due to a controversy that not only can't I discuss, but even if I did you wouldn't believe me. And thats not even half of the connections I have to the LA entertainment industry...
They all would never leave their jobs unless forced, (which by the way is what happened with the ex-blizzard employee) because its just simply too good of a position.
But again, you asked the question, but I seriously doubt that you would believe me if I told you the specifics.
I have more experience and understanding about the entertainment industry then you would imagine, that's why I say the things I do. But again, its not like you would listen to me anyways. If you only knew how sought after these positions are for these companies, you wouldn't doubt anything I said.
There simply isn't a job that is "better" then lead systems designer at blizzard for wow. That is literally THE top of the TOP. You have to understand that. So again, if you think otherwise, you're just wrong, or an idiot.
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Ive enjoyed reading all the post suggesting that GC was fired. Its been rather amusing to be honest.
The biggest thing I keep seeing is that people say that no one would leave a huge and successful company like this. So I propose a question for you who have the answers to all.
If GC was with said successful company for so long and most likely made a ton of money from his career path, why wouldnt he go do something more enjoyable? Lets face it, the community treated him like garbage. If I was treated that way, and money wasn't an issue, I would definately move to another project. Would it be a guaranteed success to rake in as much as WoW has? Maybe, maybe not. But again money isn't an issue. I suggest he left to get away from all the petty community bs that has soaked its way into WoW with no end in sight.
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Wasn't Rob Pardo brought back to help steer WoD? So we're back with the original TBC crew? Rob Pardo, Jeffrey Kaplan, and Tom Chilton?
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don`t really buy that great opportunity for something new and exciting bshit
No, it doesn't. He initially volunteered to communicate with us. Once you do that after a certain amount of time, deciding to just stop doing it would be incredibly detrimental to the game because people would be blazing mad that the game company that once 'took the time' out of their day to let them know what was going on isn't doing that anymore and is 'the same' as 'everyone else'. If you really had all this experience, that point would be very obvious.Again, he volunteered to communicate with the public, for years. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't have done it, for years, on a weekly basis. That argument falls flat so fast its amazing people even bring it up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last stated monetary quotes regarding Blizzard and World of Warcraft indicated that they were making more money with less subscriptions thanks to fleshing out other parts and services of the game. That means what you've said makes no sense.But seriously, when was the last time a huge financial hit was taken and the person in charge was publicly fired with a "he wasn't competent" for an explanation?
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know Greg was brought on at the beginning of Wrath, which is when subs hit their peak and plateaued. If you're going to posit something, at least learn the basic history behind it first.The other thing that needs to be noted that since ghostcrawlers arrival, that the sub numbers have dropped 40% or so. That's an INCREDIBLE amount of money lost, that is indeed a crisis.
The only thing I'm going to say about this one is that D3 was objectively better, as in mechanically, graphically and game-play wise, better than D2, which is all it needed to do.D3 was absolutely terrible at launch and has been making more and more steps to becoming at least better with every patch since his "leaving".
Yes, I do, because 'better position' is subjective, which you're not getting. I wouldn't take his position in a million years for ten times the salary he made because I don't have a ton of patience for the people he had to deal with on a daily basis. Frankly, if I were him, I'd take almost any design/game & software engineering position that had a solid direction and wasn't going to be hounded by rabid morons all day long every day of the year.You really think theres a better offer then lead developer (top position) at blizzard (company that breaks sales records every release/expansion) for WoW (most popular MMO/highest grossing game ever)? That's just not possible, sorry.
I don't understand why you're toting one single guy out of millions. I'm not asking for a statistical analysis on how often this happens, nor am I so naive to believe it doesn't happen a lot, but one example isn't enough. This isn't a shitty grade school argument essay.You say conspiracy therory, but look at Jeff Gerstmann.
So apparently when someone tries to pull something out of their hat but comes up empty-handed, that's now 'evidence'. Good to know.There's more evidence to support my theory then yours.
I just used Indeed to search for Game Programmer, Game Developer, Professor, Engineer and Software Engineer and there is definitely room for improvement speaking strictly of money, which I'll use as my basis since you haven't defined any intangibles and Indeed doesn't disclose those. I know those are all averages, and GC was probably making on the higher side, but he's got plenty of options available. Again, if you're going to argue subjective points, define those solidly.Hahaha, great joke man. Really good stuff...
Oh wait, you're serious.
All I heard was 'I know a lot of people and my parents work for XYZ and make lots of money' spoken in the tone of a well-off teenager. That may not have been your intent, but when someone spews a load of opinions and 'information' and then doesn't back it up, that's the first age group I think of.Mormolyce, If you want me to go into specifics about working in the industry I could, as I actually have family members that work in very high positions at NBC, Disney, and a family friend that actually did work at Blizzard, but had to leave due to a controversy that not only can't I discuss, but even if I did you wouldn't believe me. And thats not even half of the connections I have to the LA entertainment industry
Considering you haven't actually made any effort to source your points (rather, point) and have built an argument around only conjecture and opinion, is it any wonder?But again, you asked the question, but I seriously doubt that you would believe me if I told you the specifics.
Again, all I hear is some whiny fifteen year old saying 'MAN you don't even KNOW' like they've somehow solved string theory and found a way to get around the speed of light. You either need to put up, as in divulge this information, or shut up.I have more experience and understanding about the entertainment industry then you would imagine, that's why I say the things I do. But again, its not like you would listen to me anyways. If you only knew how sought after these positions are for these companies, you wouldn't doubt anything I said.
And I've just proven there are better paying jobs that do just as 'important' things and that you're essentially full of shit. That's not even discussing intangibles, which aren't listed at the sources I provided but it doesn't matter because even on pay alone there are better options out there.There simply isn't a job that is "better" then lead systems designer at blizzard for wow. That is literally THE top of the TOP. You have to understand that. So again, if you think otherwise, you're just wrong, or an idiot.
So no, I'm not 'an idiot' for not agreeing with you, I'm an idiot for wasting my time to explain why you're an idiot. Too bad that isn't the point here.
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I have a feeling that GC split because he didn't agree with something. People can say what they want about him, but the integrity of the game is/was important to him. I think WoW is getting ready to go down some dark places. The in game store UI has alot of icons. I have a feeling they're going to start selling alot of shit, and he's not happy with it. Or maybe he fought too hard and they canned him. Hard to tell. But the truth will come out eventually. Me personally though, I never thought he was the source of anything bad. I loved the game during his time at Blizz. And I know how human beings can be from far away and behind a keyboard.
This thread is disgraceful. This is evidence of what is wrong with the world of warcraft community. And the community is the problem with world of warcraft. I feel sorry for who ever gets his job because they have to put up with the fucking idiots that most you people are.
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