Finally got my hc Purified bindings of immerseus since trying from the second week of SoO, I'm just curious about my stats, with the kardris totem trinket I have around 92% mastery and with black blood it goes up to 95% as well as putting my haste from 26% to 30%.
I cant decide what trinket i want to use as I'm still missing hc Cleave trinket from Malkorok for cleave fights like Galakras and Dark shamans. Any help/advice would help alot, thanks.
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_Jugg...14/60/default/
Only real singletarget fight this tier in my opinion, and elementals should theoretically be good here as it's alot of movement during phase 1. You could argue that our uptime is low because of certain phase 2 starts, which is fine.
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malkorok/...14/60/default/
Not as comparable, because minor multidotting/cleaving, still a clear trend here.
10man:
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_Jugg...14/60/default/
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malkorok/...14/60/default/
Where's your empirial evidence to support your claims? Just curious!
A little off topics, but Raidbots is wrong. Not his fault though, recently World of Log had a bug, ranking unfinished fight thus screwing the result.
For example, the world best DPS on Juggernauth HM is this. 700k DPS, 36s duration.
Every ranking are screwed like this so you should NOT base your opinion on them. For instance I see some really good SP out here, and your link places them at the very bottom.
On topic, I agree that elem's are a bit behind, but fine. Warlocks needs a nerf, and it's coming from a warlock.
Last edited by Shauni; 2013-12-17 at 01:18 PM.
"Well...I think you don't get the concept of World First. It's not Method, it's NOT an obscure asian guild whose name can't be pronounced by the regular folks, it's blizzard !
Yeah, cuz they had an internal test team, and they beat Garrosh. So by your standart, they are the true first."
I don't know how to constructively respond to this :\ Elemental is one of the lowest single target DPS in game when playing with equally geared/skilled players, it's not some secret, or some way for elementals to try get themselves some buffs; it's just been a bit un-obvious because a lot of the fights in this tier include cleave (which elemental obviously excels at).
Last edited by Anzen; 2013-12-17 at 01:48 PM.
Well, though I agree that it has to be taken with a grain of salt, I am not convinced by your argumentation about why one should.
Raidbots has a detailed section below the graph, which section shows the data that the website uses.
In this section, the example for a problematic ranking on WoL does not seem to be included in the data, since the maximum dps in the used data is not 700k.
Imho, the data shows reasonable values ranging from below 50k to greater than 400k. As always in statistics, the truth lies between these end portions of the distribution of the samples.
Therefore, I would presently not agree with you that the raidbot data for all samples is corrupted in such a serious extent, but rather in an acceptable manner.
Basing your opinion and argumentation on raidbot might still not be the most appropriate way, but I guess, with the available tools, it is legitimate.
Last edited by mmocdfc71e8c7b; 2013-12-17 at 03:28 PM.
Fair point, I'm still puzzled about some rankings though. Some classes I see are way up here
"Well...I think you don't get the concept of World First. It's not Method, it's NOT an obscure asian guild whose name can't be pronounced by the regular folks, it's blizzard !
Yeah, cuz they had an internal test team, and they beat Garrosh. So by your standart, they are the true first."
I think Elemental is fine on single target DPS tbh. I think the majority of people just have NFI on how to play our class. That Malkorok value seems RIDICULOUSLY low to me. Average of 276k on Malkorok? Really? If a Malkorok kill goes really really badly for me and I get smacked with all possible issues I will do like 290-310k on a BAD attempt.
These values are either very skewed or most Shamans are doing something very wrong.
Additionally, Juggernauht is a very hard fight to compare due to the ability to conduct the fight in a different manner depending on strategy and skill of players (read:healers).
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Nevermind, http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malkorok/10H/all/14/60/p99/
Even in 99th percentile we're still bottom of the ranks. Fair call, Ele single target sucks.
All in the same post.
@ Others: Elemental single target is low compared to nearly every other class, feel free to discredit WoL/RB's all you want. I'd like to see proof to argue to opposite.
EDIT: Inb4 I need to l2p.
Last edited by Anzen; 2013-12-18 at 09:21 AM.
Being a good player in an average guild can make someone think it's class is fine
"Well...I think you don't get the concept of World First. It's not Method, it's NOT an obscure asian guild whose name can't be pronounced by the regular folks, it's blizzard !
Yeah, cuz they had an internal test team, and they beat Garrosh. So by your standart, they are the true first."
Ele shaman is really, really hard to play bad, so i doubt everyone is just bad at playing it. It just sucks singletarget.
Playing my ele shaman alt a bit more nowadays, coming from a warlock I'm hardwired into snapshotting dots.
Regarding flame shock - do you try to keep it up with haste procs as much as possible, or do you only refresh as it expires? I read in the guide to only do this if it has a few ticks remaining. Having thought about it a bit more (and considering how high the meta gem uptime is for shaman) I feel I should probably not be so quick to refresh (e.g. with 15 seconds left) but just wondering what the general consensus was on this.
Recently picked up the 2 set and striving to keep it up 100% but obviously if I'm casting flame shock too much this can become a problem?
Also what's the deal with Unleashed Fury and Ascendance. Most of the time I try to use it just before I pop my cooldown, but sometimes it comes up half way through, and I'm uncertain whether I should use it or wait til ascendance is done. Gut feeling is to use it as the guide shows it as highest priority, but it doesn't exactly discuss this specific situation.
Thanks.
Last edited by mmoc112615a1c9; 2013-12-22 at 02:24 AM.
You can refresh FS early for haste procs, but it's generally not worth it to refresh it too early - maybe just a few seconds.
Don't worry about maintaining 100% uptime on the 2-set. For the most part that's going to involve using ES earlier - and while it might be worth it to ES say, before a mid-fight ascendance (NOT on the pull, since that delays ascendance and means losing out on proc/pot uptime), it's also generally not worth messing with your shock timing too much.
Don't UE mid-ascendance. By all means hit it right before ascendance, but not during.
Thanks but I already do this.
I meant in the situation where Ascendance is off cooldown but PBI still has a few seconds left on ICD. Do I hold UE for what could be between 5 and 30 seconds or do I use it on CD and squeeze it in if available?
If PBI procs and so does KTT and meta I'm not gonna hang around for UE cooldown. Better in this situation to hold onto it to guarantee it going into Ascendance?
If your trinkets are up, and your meta is up and UE is on CD for 5 seconds I would use ascendance anyway because KTT is a 10 second proc, I think, and it will fall off if you wait for UE and you can't guarantee it will proc again and you'll gain more damage from the int then the buff.
should i use uf instead of eb if my il is 557 sorry for my bad english