Hunter Buff

[Bluesftw]

hahah normally i'd be like "oh noes this will ruin another pvp season" but since i didnt even bother with any of the dogsh!t pvp seasons in mop, im happy we'll kill bosses even faster now since we got 3 hunters on the roster.

[Deleted]

Guys?!

PvE:

Hunters are overall at the bottom of DPS and Spec Score.
source: raidbots.com


PvP:

Hunters are one of the fewest classes which have a rating of 2090+ in 2v2 (EU)
source: wow-armory


I am missing something? Didn't i get it or are some of my pre-posters wrong? Explain it to me please :/

[Deleted]

Guys?!

PvE:

Hunters are overall at the bottom of DPS and Spec Score.
source: raidbots.com


PvP:

Hunters are one of the fewest classes which have a rating of 2090+ in 2v2 (EU)
source: wow-armory


I am missing something? Didn't i get it or are some of my pre-posters wrong? Explain it to me please :/

Seems like bullcrap to me as when i play hunter it's the easy class i have to break 1800 with.

[Drenan]

How blizz failed to address shadow is beyond me.

[apepi]

PvE and pvp wise I think shadow priest deserved a buff far more than hunters. Not saying this buff is bad but it's sad that spriest got left out this buff fix.

Shadow priest damage is fine in rbgs, it is even very strong, in survivability I can agree you with you. Though I am disappointed that boomkins did not really get anything....

But trying to stay on topic, I am not sure about arena, but in rbgs hunters seem very lackluster. I have a hunter and the playstyle just seems so boring. Changing specs does not even help it, it feels all the same. Not to mention that hunters have one of the weakest survival cd, you can not even pick up the flag and use it..really? Though I don't see this damage buff really doing anything, I do not see people rerolling or losing matches because of this.

[djdfields]

Guys?!

PvE:

Hunters are overall at the bottom of DPS and Spec Score.
source: raidbots.com


PvP:

Hunters are one of the fewest classes which have a rating of 2090+ in 2v2 (EU)
source: wow-armory


I am missing something? Didn't i get it or are some of my pre-posters wrong? Explain it to me please :/

PvE:
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spec_Scor...14/60/default/

Well, at least we know you were lying about the first part.

PvP:
Representation isn't a significant measurement of class balance. They do correlate, but it's nowhere near definitive. I don't think the argument was that they are the best; it was more that they didn't need the buffs given in a PvP environment. Hunter damage in PvP needed no buff. I don't believe this can even be argued against; especially when they can't be interrupted, locked out, and have a "you can't CC me now" button.

[Deleted]

Seems like bullcrap to me as when i play hunter it's the easy class i have to break 1800 with.

What about that?:

Update-Status: 04.01.2014

This statistic contains only data of the european arena-2v2-bracket.


Death Knight
Count: 127
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2519
2200+ Rating: 61
2300+ Rating: 18


Druid
Spec: Balance
Count: 10
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2248
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Feral
Count: 17
Range of Rating: 2097 - 2416
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 2

Spec: Restoration
Count: 103
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2767
2200+ Rating: 40
2300+ Rating: 13


Hunter
Count: 27
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2487
2200+ Rating: 12
2300+ Rating: 2


Mage
Count: 81
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2426
2200+ Rating: 41
2300+ Rating: 11


Monk
Spec: Windwalker
Count: 32
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2529
2200+ Rating: 13
2300+ Rating: 5

Spec: Mistweaver
Count: 41
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2500
2200+ Rating: 19
2300+ Rating: 4


Paladin
Count: 78
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2523
2200+ Rating: 34
2300+ Rating: 7


Priest
Spec: Holy
Count: 135
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2511
2200+ Rating: 47
2300+ Rating: 10

Spec: Discipline
Count: 30
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2354
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 4


Rogue
Count: 26
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2394
2200+ Rating: 11
2300+ Rating: 2


Shaman
Spec: Elemental
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2204
2200+ Rating: 1
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Enhancement
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2111 - 2337
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 1

Spec: Restoration
Count: 108
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2559
2200+ Rating: 28
2300+ Rating: 3


Warlock
Count: 13
Range of Rating: 2095 - 2285
2200+ Rating: 5
2300+ Rating: 0


Warrior
Count: 144
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2741
2200+ Rating: 56
2300+ Rating: 17


Overall player-count per rating
2090+ = 982
2100+ = 895
2200+ = 390
2300+ = 99
2400+ = 32
2500+ = 10
2600+ = 3
2700+ = 2

[djdfields]

What about that?:

Update-Status: 04.01.2014

This statistic contains only data of the european arena-2v2-bracket.


Death Knight
Count: 127
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2519
2200+ Rating: 61
2300+ Rating: 18


Druid
Spec: Balance
Count: 10
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2248
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Feral
Count: 17
Range of Rating: 2097 - 2416
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 2

Spec: Restoration
Count: 103
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2767
2200+ Rating: 40
2300+ Rating: 13


Hunter
Count: 27
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2487
2200+ Rating: 12
2300+ Rating: 2


Mage
Count: 81
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2426
2200+ Rating: 41
2300+ Rating: 11


Monk
Spec: Windwalker
Count: 32
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2529
2200+ Rating: 13
2300+ Rating: 5

Spec: Mistweaver
Count: 41
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2500
2200+ Rating: 19
2300+ Rating: 4


Paladin
Count: 78
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2523
2200+ Rating: 34
2300+ Rating: 7


Priest
Spec: Holy
Count: 135
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2511
2200+ Rating: 47
2300+ Rating: 10

Spec: Discipline
Count: 30
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2354
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 4


Rogue
Count: 26
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2394
2200+ Rating: 11
2300+ Rating: 2


Shaman
Spec: Elemental
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2204
2200+ Rating: 1
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Enhancement
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2111 - 2337
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 1

Spec: Restoration
Count: 108
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2559
2200+ Rating: 28
2300+ Rating: 3


Warlock
Count: 13
Range of Rating: 2095 - 2285
2200+ Rating: 5
2300+ Rating: 0


Warrior
Count: 144
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2741
2200+ Rating: 56
2300+ Rating: 17


Overall player-count per rating
2090+ = 982
2100+ = 895
2200+ = 390
2300+ = 99
2400+ = 32
2500+ = 10
2600+ = 3
2700+ = 2

Stopped reading after this. All information following is invalid. 2v2 is no indication of class balance, and most players don't push rating in 2v2; even professionals.

[Barrowwind]

the issue is hunter is easy to play and hard to master, so half these people who think hunters are so amazing, is purely because they don't know how to play there own class and they raid with a hunter who has a mouse and a keybord

[Deleted]

PvE:

Well, at least we know you were lying about the first part.

Yeah i think they really don't need a DMG-Buff in PvP, too!

What do you mean with "Well, at least we know you were lying about the first part."

Aren't they on the bottom? I didn't say they are the least, but on the bottom.

Cross out frost mage. They are already #2 with arcane and #9 with fire. cross out assasination rogue, they are already #3 with combat.

so how many specs/classes do we have after that? 17!

17 divided by 3 = 5,6
... or mabye by 4? = 4,25
... or mabye by 5? = 3,4

BM and SV-Hunter = #14 and #15 of #17...
Isn't this "bottom" for you?

[djdfields]

the issue is hunter is easy to play and hard to master, so half these people who think hunters are so amazing, is purely because they don't know how to play there own class and they raid with a hunter who has a mouse and a keybord

I can agree with this to a certain extent. However, I would also say this about most classes. This is the PvP forums though, so the raid reference you made is pretty irrelevant. I haven't PvE'd as a hunter since Cata, so I cannot comment on them [effectively] in that department. PvP, however, they're in a very good position. They have the easiest CC to coordinate in the game, and they can do extremely high burst in the process without ever having to swap targets or cast something risky to do so.

At high rating, sure, it's a lot more difficult, but to the best of my knowledge I can't name another class with easier CC capabilities than a hunter. Not to mention the ridiculous burst damage that requires no setup.

[Deleted]

Stopped reading after this. All information following is invalid. 2v2 is no indication of class balance, and most players don't push rating in 2v2; even professionals.

You're right, but i was talking about 2v2.
Thanks for helping me out, 2v2 doesn't count. I shouldn't take the 2v2-statistic serious.

[djdfields]

Yeah i think they really don't need a DMG-Buff in PvP, too!

What do you mean with "Well, at least we know you were lying about the first part."

Aren't they on the bottom? I didn't say they are the least, but on the bottom.

Cross out frost mage. They are already #2 with arcane and #9 with fire. cross out assasination rogue, they are already #3 with combat.

so how many specs/classes do we have after that? 17!

17 divided by 3 = 5,6
... or mabye by 4? = 4,25
... or mabye by 5? = 3,4

BM and SV-Hunter = #14 and #15 of #17...
Isn't this "bottom" for you?

Well yeah, when you start crossing out specs that are below them, sure; they'll be at the bottom. I see what you're saying though.

You said "overall bottom," which I interpreted as, "dead last." By the way, my main in PvE is a Frost Mage... so I count em! I know, make fun of me... I seem to do fine though in every group I've ever been in.

Not only that, a lot of Raidbots' data is skewed as well; most notably in the top 100 parses. Further, go check WoL top parses and pick them apart a little (It's actually quite funny...). Many fights claim to be 25 second kills and/or something similar to that where the data was obviously exploited. Couple that with the guilds who constantly farm this content and give each player a "time to shine" (aka, allowing them to tunnel or take advantage of an encounter that a progression guild would not be able to), and you have an entirely new set of poor data. It sucks, but it's true.

All parses are better, but it's still no home run. A lot of people don't log, privately log, or don't care about ranking and/or don't play their class very well even if they did. Additionally, I found (when I was raid leading during progression) that my team would perform much better when they knew I was privately logging and they couldn't rank. A lot of guilds (from my experience) do this, and this skews the data even more.

[Nuditea]

All of these changes are somewhat justifiable, why is everybody crying?

They're last minute alterations so that these specializations/classes aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel. The PvP implications are quite minimal, as well, so why everybody is off-tap about them is incomprehensible.

[apepi]

All of these changes are somewhat justifiable, why is everybody crying?

They're last minute alterations so that these specializations/classes aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel. The PvP implications are quite minimal, as well, so why everybody is off-tap about them is incomprehensible.

When people see other classes get buffed and they don't they get mad. I am glad I almost play every class.

[djdfields]

You're right, but i was talking about 2v2.
Thanks for helping me out, 2v2 doesn't count. I shouldn't take the 2v2-statistic serious.

Sorry; I should have been more cordial about this response. 2v2 doesn't really count because of the MASSIVE imbalances in that bracket. Blizzard has stated this on many occasions, and they have also stated that they never intend to balance around this bracket. Further, this is why you can't become a gladiator in 2v2.

I remember last season... the only thing I played >1950 was Disc/BM or Disc/Feral. It used to give me nightmares... lol

[NickCageFanatic]

The PvP community is essentially 70% of the focus when Blizzard goes and "balances" things. "Everything you want" was probably not the right wording, but being on the front burner for just about everything when it comes to class balance is really shitty for us in PvE.

Haha good laugh, try again.

@amuuN

Silly single minded PvE exlcusive focused players that think they know everything about the game

[Deleted]

What!!?? Omg seriously why buff hunter and not warrior? Atm i'm playing warrior, mage, shaman in 3s and we barely got 2k rating. OK granted we dinged 90 a week ago but still. Warriors clearly need a buff if I ever want to get gladiator.

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What about that?:

Update-Status: 04.01.2014

This statistic contains only data of the european arena-2v2-bracket.


Death Knight
Count: 127
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2519
2200+ Rating: 61
2300+ Rating: 18


Druid
Spec: Balance
Count: 10
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2248
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Feral
Count: 17
Range of Rating: 2097 - 2416
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 2

Spec: Restoration
Count: 103
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2767
2200+ Rating: 40
2300+ Rating: 13


Hunter
Count: 27
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2487
2200+ Rating: 12
2300+ Rating: 2


Mage
Count: 81
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2426
2200+ Rating: 41
2300+ Rating: 11


Monk
Spec: Windwalker
Count: 32
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2529
2200+ Rating: 13
2300+ Rating: 5

Spec: Mistweaver
Count: 41
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2500
2200+ Rating: 19
2300+ Rating: 4


Paladin
Count: 78
Range of Rating: 2094 - 2523
2200+ Rating: 34
2300+ Rating: 7


Priest
Spec: Holy
Count: 135
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2511
2200+ Rating: 47
2300+ Rating: 10

Spec: Discipline
Count: 30
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2354
2200+ Rating: 8
2300+ Rating: 4


Rogue
Count: 26
Range of Rating: 2091 - 2394
2200+ Rating: 11
2300+ Rating: 2


Shaman
Spec: Elemental
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2204
2200+ Rating: 1
2300+ Rating: 0

Spec: Enhancement
Count: 8
Range of Rating: 2111 - 2337
2200+ Rating: 3
2300+ Rating: 1

Spec: Restoration
Count: 108
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2559
2200+ Rating: 28
2300+ Rating: 3


Warlock
Count: 13
Range of Rating: 2095 - 2285
2200+ Rating: 5
2300+ Rating: 0


Warrior
Count: 144
Range of Rating: 2090 - 2741
2200+ Rating: 56
2300+ Rating: 17


Overall player-count per rating
2090+ = 982
2100+ = 895
2200+ = 390
2300+ = 99
2400+ = 32
2500+ = 10
2600+ = 3
2700+ = 2

I really lolled watching the warrior count But 2v2 is nothing valid :s still nice to know tho.

[Hallu]

Great, instead of killing Mages and ending up with 80% health left, Im now killing Mages and be left with 90% health. Juicy!

[Reveries1]

Guys?!

PvE:

Hunters are overall at the bottom of DPS and Spec Score.
source: raidbots.com


PvP:

Hunters are one of the fewest classes which have a rating of 2090+ in 2v2 (EU)
source: wow-armory


I am missing something? Didn't i get it or are some of my pre-posters wrong? Explain it to me please :/

Raid Bots is showing you spec based. Lowest is MM hunters with BM and SV hunters being higher than a few others including both DK dps specs.

Also look at arms warriors on raid bots. Raiding and PVP are very different.

I think everyone can agree this was a pve buff. I dont know how they could have buffed pve without buffing pvp they didnt include any counters to offset the pvp effects of the buff.

My guess is they are tossing these changes in now to get a good foundation for the next pvp season so they can figure out what they want to adjust for that.

P.s. Honestly better t0 do it now then the start of the new season.