They didn't really "hotfix" hunters at all...

[want my Slimjim]

Again they made the problem even worse by buffing aspect of the hawk, all this means that hunters are going to be even more dmg with little to no effort making the class even more out of balance than before, instead addressing the real problem with hunters which is focus.

they should have changed from focus to mana. That wouldn't be a revamp, but more like devamping into its original balanced state = a fix = which would make it a hotfix in reality because it would be infact the hottest change to hunters because it would be the most popular change to hunters and more ppl would play them. It would make it more challenging again. like how removing diablo ah would be a popular change now its actually going to be a challenge for people to get gear instead of buying their way through everything. same idea.

mana was a good resource for hunters, if they made the changes with hunters in cata and in mop and still kept mana it would have been pretty close to perfection in terms of balance. I know they had it in wow beta but it was waay too clunky and its still clunky today, which is why im glad they went mana instead.

This isn't a hotfix, this is just a tiny Band-Aid on a gigantic wound which doesn't solve anything. If people know whats good for them they would be able to look past their posts and get the bigger picture here. Blizz is kinda being lazy on this one, and more people are quitting hunters cause its no longer challenging as it once was in wrath.

[MerinPally]

You're aware there's an expansion incoming and things change quite a bit across the board for all classes somewhat. And that Blizzard have even mentioned that they're going to do something for hunters. Of course this is a band aid, and quite frankly that's fine. Because any change they make now, soon, will be undone.

Swapping to mana wouldn't fix that either... I'm sure you can get an addon to make your focus bar blue and change all the tooltips, if you really want...

[Aeluron Lightsong]

This is a thinly veiled "WTB Hunter Mana back." Face it you lost but ignored all the constructive arguments against you because it doesn't work with your agenda.

[want my Slimjim]

You're aware there's an expansion incoming and things change quite a bit across the board for all classes somewhat. And that Blizzard have even mentioned that they're going to do something for hunters. Of course this is a band aid, and quite frankly that's fine. Because any change they make now, soon, will be undone.

Swapping to mana wouldn't fix that either... I'm sure you can get an addon to make your focus bar blue and change all the tooltips, if you really want...

It would fix it, you just skimmed through my entire post.

[Deleted]

Do you mind explaining why you really hate focus so much?

Because every post I've read from you in the hunter forum lately always mention something about your opinion to why you think it's such a disgrace for us hunters to use focus instead of mana..

[want my Slimjim]

Do you mind explaining why you really hate focus so much?

Because every post I've read from you in the hunter forum lately always mention something about your opinion to why you think it's such a disgrace for us hunters to use focus instead of mana..

If you have really read through my posts and threads you would know by now why I dislike it.

[Skorpionss]

It would fix it, you just skimmed through my entire post.

you didn't even fucking say what the problem is... just that it would fix it... there is nothing to fix... mana was just as endless back then if you were a decent player just like focus is now... good players will use it to it's full potential while noobs will be focus capped a lot...

[MerinPally]

It would fix it, you just skimmed through my entire post.

No, it would not. Your solution is "change things back to how they were 3.5 years ago, then things would be balanced" but thats such rubbish because the game has evolved and the hunter would not have. That will put you either ahead or behind. If it balanced you perfectly that would be a complete miracle. The odds are astronomical. You've posted no fix, rather a nostalgic rant and then calling it a fix with no evidence behind it.

[Deleted]

The hotfix implemented was only to bring classes damage in line.

And if you're actually asking for mana back, because it made the class more, what, hard/interesting(?), then you haven't played the hunter with mana. The only difference was that you were able to spam abilities, and because having mana as a resource today for casters is basicly just having a much larger focus bar, that only depletes when you screw up.

Basicly, having focus today is actually harder, because you aren't able to unload 10-30 arcane shots in a row, and you have to play around weaving SS or CS between actual abilities. Another point is that having focus as a resource actually raises the skill cap, by letting you pool resources and reacting to procs/buffs/debuffs.

This isn't a hotfix, this is just a tiny Band-Aid

A hotfix is basicly meant as a Band-Aid, where a patch is like stitches and a revamp is full on surgery.

Yes that was weird... >_>

[want my Slimjim]

Face it you lost.

What did I lose so far? no one has made any compelling arguments to focus other than "its new and shiny looking"

[lunchbox2042]

Focus fits better than mana because they aren't casters.

[threads]

hordeslayer you are my hero and I hope one day you will be reunited with your mana huntars.

[snackfeat]

Why do you constantly spam threads about how you think focus sucks? It's not going to change

[thsevecha]

OMG, is this guys going to create the same topic everyday? Btw, focus is way better than mana because I don't like blue.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ting-mana-back

[Deleted]

Mana was bad. Really, really bad. I didn't play a lot of hunter when they did use mana, but the rotation was as boring as the other classes'. Spam that button, press that button on CD. React to absolutely nothing, just follow this and you'll do 99% of the maximum dps.

It was horrible, it was really boring. Locks with shadowbolts were worse, or mages with Arcane blast, but hunters were really bad too.

Focus is a much better resource, as it opens up to a much more fun and living rotation. There's no discussion value here, these are facts. It's better now.

Is it more fun? That's subjective, but it's better now, without a doubt.

[want my Slimjim]

Focus fits better than mana because they aren't casters.

ret and holy Palys use mana too and don't cast spells

[Aeluron Lightsong]

ret and holy Palys use mana too and don't cast spells

Yes they do. You are just wrong.

[Aleksej89]

Focus is the best thing to have ever happened to Hunters, aside from being able to shoot in melee.

Wanting mana back is just ridiculously backwards, like if warlocks asked for the return of their ancient horrible Soul Shard mechanic.

[SteveZombie]

What did I lose so far? no one has made any compelling arguments to focus other than "its new and shiny looking"

And he complains about people not reading his own post.

[Mormolyce]

they should have changed from focus to mana.

Stopped reading here.