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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
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    Blizzard makes about 800m a year, from all their franchises and merchandizing. (The quarterly reports are posted often on these forums).
    So the WoW microtransactions are more than 25% of the money they make. At this rate they must start to realize that they could make even more money from going F2P, because the subscription revenue might not be high enough anymore compared to making the game more accessible and thus the microtransactions too.
    Again that is your opinion and Blizzards accounting department who probably has much better date available then you, disagrees.

  2. #142
    This shouldn't be of any surprise to anyone. The people saying WoW needs the subscription along with the rest don't know what they're talking about. The reason WoW has both is because enough people are willing to be ripped off that they can get away with it. But they could easily retain the game's quality without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    No matter what they do, it'll never be good enough for the vocal, unhappy portion of this community.

    Oh well~

    Inb4 I get flak for saying this.
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    Are you people really that Clueless?

    When you have MILLIONS of people paying a monthly Sub you don't go F2P.

    WOW will go F2P when Subs drop under 500,000 in 15 years.
    @Ghostcrawler:Some advice: [My pet issue] is why there were sub losses is one of the weaker arguments players use. Players don't have that data.

  5. #145
    WoW will probably go free to play within a few years. When their subscriptions keep dropping (which they will) they risk losing income on microtransactions as well. At some point they will make the switch to free to play and just add a bunch of microtransactions to make up for the loss of paid subscriptions. They're right now just in a transitional phase.
    Of all the posts in this thread, this is the one I agree with. The transition is happening, slowly but surely.

    The main thing slowing down the transition? The huge amount of money Blizzard gets from subs.
    But as this decreases, and as people get more acclimated to a F2P model where we buy stuff in shops, the more attractive F2P becomes.

    Right now, in January of 2014, the money Blizzard makes on sub fees dwarfs the amount from micro-transactions. But its 5 or 6 to 1, not 10 or 50 to 1. And the trend is for this gap to narrow over time. Over the next few years I'd say it is more than 50-50 that F2P becomes a reality. The rule of the business world is adapt or die, and Blizzard is quite aware of the companies that did not adapt, and thus died.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    In line with inflation the cost of many services or products based on a regular payment has increased.
    The WoW subscription is an exception to that rule.
    If you do not buy any store items, or any account services then rather than whining you should be thanking those people who kept your subscription cost the same for about 8 years now.
    At this point Blizzard has never stated that such micro transactions are keeping subscription fees down or content quality up. You continue to spew a bunch of hot air.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    In line with inflation the cost of many services or products based on a regular payment has increased.
    The WoW subscription is an exception to that rule.
    If you do not buy any store items, or any account services then rather than whining you should be thanking those people who kept your subscription cost the same for about 8 years now.
    oh fuck bro you better ring up the pope then because games like GW2 must be selling their souls to satan to keep running with no sub fee at all!

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    Are you people really that Clueless?

    When you have MILLIONS of people paying a monthly Sub you don't go F2P.

    WOW will go F2P when Subs drop under 500,000 in 15 years.
    15 years, lol in 15 years the technology will surpass WoW so bad that it'll look like NES games look today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nekobaka View Post
    At this point Blizzard has never stated that such micro transactions are keeping subscription fees down or content quality up. You continue to spew a bunch of hot air.
    He actually put some economical logic in your "blizzard is evil" paranoia. But keep spouting nonsense, it's entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    There's no reason for WoW to go F2P because people are still willing to pay the sub fee (and really $15 a month is chump-change anyway).

    I'm glad to see the store doing so well, hopefully it bodes well for it's future.
    i agree with this. while i do understand why people are against micro transactions in a p2p game, nothing they have added in anyway makes you better than anyone. if they get to that point its another story but i dont think they will while its still p2p.

    the sub fee still feels very much worth it. even when we are in a patch lull i still feel inclined to log on because there is still so much other crap to do. and thats all that matters to me. if they were doing this while not having anything to do i would raise an eyebrow.

  11. #151
    I'm sure at this point it's economically feasible to go F2P. If they decide to permanently add the option to buy a level 90, it'll be even more so.

    But Blizzard has their number crunchers. They've done the math. When it becomes more profitable to go F2P, they will. Clearly that's not the case right now.

    $213 million from micro transactions is a hell of a lot though.
    Last edited by Maester; 2014-01-21 at 03:13 AM.

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    How does LoL make $624 million in a single year? Don't they just sell skins?

    OT: WoW makes such a ridicuous amount of cash through subs it is simply insane to think they will go FTP in the near future.
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  13. #153
    Barriers to entry are a good thing.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL View Post
    OT: WoW makes such a ridicuous amount of cash through subs it is simply insane to think they will go FTP in the near future.
    3.5 million western subbers, 3.5 * 15 * 12 = 630 million, the same as LoL. Ok maybe more, that plus microtransaction money is about a billion a year. F2P would probably double that.

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    Wth is CrossFire
    My question exactly. Never even heard of it and I like to think Im fairly up to par with whats being played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilbon View Post
    3.5 million western subbers, 3.5 * 15 * 12 = 630 million, the same as LoL. Ok maybe more, that plus microtransaction money is about a billion a year. F2P would probably double that.
    I'd trust that Blizzard probably knows their economic model and breakdown better than a guess you could make off the top of your head...


    At any rate, all these people clambering for WoW to be free to play... I'd rather NOT have to pay extra money for dungeons, and raids, and for real gear, or to register for a PvP season, or to upgrade things, and so on and so forth that actually affect character power or are real forms of content beyond the "ooh, shiny!" that we have now. I like having that all rolled into one, thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilbon View Post
    3.5 million western subbers, 3.5 * 15 * 12 = 630 million, the same as LoL. Ok maybe more, that plus microtransaction money is about a billion a year. F2P would probably double that.
    Double the billion or double the microtransactions?

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    According to simple multiplication, they likely made over one BILLION dollars from subscriptions, so going F2P would be suicide.

  19. #159
    And this is why they're not giving us any free pets anymore for anniversaries, why do that when you can nickel and dime your sheep into buying them instead for $10 a pop? If the mindless idiots would grow wise and not support such an asinine system, perhaps they'll come back.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by dokilar View Post
    im curious as to why you think that if a game goes f2p that the quality somehow is diminished? ill be "that" guy and say that in my honest opinion since swtor has went f2p the quality really hasnt suffered in the least.
    The leveling content was good (well, compared to their joke raid part) and yeah. Tell me how the quality WOULDN'T diminish if WoW went F2P?

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