Preventing PvP on a PvE Realm: No More "Accidental" Flagging

[NRL1515]

Never played on a PvE realm, sounds... boring to me.

World of Warcraft?

Each to their own I guess...

Correct, and you are more than welcome to continue playing on a pvp server where this has no effect on you. Good day sir.

[-Superman-]

also, go watch the trailer to WoW, the ORIGINAL one, and try again to tell me that World Horde vs Alliance violence ISN'T the whole point, in fact, the ONLY POINT portrayed in the video

Yet both sides constantly face off against big bosses who are neither Horde nor Alliance, and for each, there is always members of both factions working together standing right outside. Night elves and Tauren outside AQ, Bloodelf outside Molten Core (even for alliance), Orcs and elves outside Firelands, Humans and undead in ICC, and the list goes on. The ultimate conflict is always between the two factions and some 3rd party badguy. It has not been Orcs vs. Humans since the RTS. There may be conflict between the Alliance and the Horde, but that will forever be shadowed by the next big bad. Oh, and for the record, each new big bad is a PvE boss in a PvE instance. There is no PvP anywhere nearby, even on PvP realms.

You might want to understand that PvP is a side distraction to a larger game, and 18/20 lowests pop realms in WoW... all PvP.

[Vargur]

Never played on a PvE realm, sounds... boring to me.

World of Warcraft?

Each to their own I guess...

Yes, it's war with PVE as well, not just PVP.

[Dnusha]

Well, at least this is only for Pve reservations.

[ringpriest]

I like the idea of there being a no way to get flagged option for PVE realms. The hassle of accidentally getting flagged due to some flagged player standing on top of a quest npc or what ever was always a pain.. Heck on my realm which is PVE we have loads of both sides riding around flagged and pretty much no one goes after them because they don't want the hassle..

Thing is if you want to go full time PVP go to a PVP server people go to PVE servers because either A: they don't like PVP or B: are not good at PVP..

The only time we do get conflict is when you get flagged douche bags causing strife on the world bosses on the Isle but in the end most see it more of an inconvenient annoyance as most are just wanting to get their weekly world boss thing done and then go about their business..

Perhaps you would prefer it if Blizzard just implemented a giant 'You Win!' button you can push as soon as you log in? Zero hassle or annoyance!

[-Superman-]

Perhaps you would prefer it if Blizzard just implemented a giant 'You Win!' button you can push as soon as you log in? Zero hassle or annoyance!

Only if it meant they were phasing people like you

[Doktor Faustus]

Yes, it's war with PVE as well, not just PVP.

Aye, factions mmm.

I don't really PvP, but World PvP makes me feel... frustrated/annoyed/angry/happy/estactic/hillarious.

Full fat please!

[nightfalls]

Well congrats for neutering your own game, yet another pander for no reason. If people are so bad they cant handle an MMO they shouldnt be playing one. I dont understand why you bother playing WoW if you want a dungeon simular go play Monster Hunter. All this whining is what led to the removal of twinks and wpvp and god knows what else.

"Whining" talking about yourself much?

If you want world PvP so badly on PvE realms (not PvP realms which are unaffected) why not give people reasons to actually flag on a PvE realm instead of making them be tricked into it? What I mentioned earlier I think would have been perfect, an ability to get a Bloody Coin from a Censer every 10 minutes.

You'd be able to kill a Censer for a Bloody Coin (if you win) and in return be opened up to attack for 5 minutes.

[ringpriest]

"Whining" talking about yourself much?

If you want world PvP so badly on PvE realms (not PvP realms which are unaffected) why not give people reasons to actually flag on a PvE realm instead of making them be tricked into it? What I mentioned earlier I think would have been perfect, an ability to get a Bloody Coin from a Censer every 10 minutes.

You'd be able to kill a Censer for a Bloody Coin (if you win) and in return be opened up to attack for 5 minutes.

Problem is, we've seem to have two overlapping discussions here. Discussion #1: Getting Bloody Coins on Timeless Isle on a PvE realm inevitably involves suckering other players into flagging for PvP, which is arguably bad design. Discussion #2: Being able to ever involuntarily flag for PvP on a PvE realm is (rightly or wrongly) offensive to some players who don't ever want to PvP outside of instanced segments of the game.

[rebecca191]

I don't see what the problem is. If you are on a PvE server and hate this change, maybe you belong on a PvP server. After all, world PvPers have been telling more PvE type players to transfer to PvE servers for years if they dislike forced PvP. And, if you like world PvP and already play on a PvP server, then this will change nothing for you, so you shouldn't care.

[Mormolyce]

Maybe I'm biased as I've always played on a PVP realm, but this seems like a lot of work to fix some minor issues with PVP flagging.

I get that some people REALLY HATE PVP so must get super mad when they get ganked on a PVE server.

[-Superman-]

Maybe I'm biased as I've always played on a PVP realm, but this seems like a lot of work to fix some minor issues with PVP flagging.

I get that some people REALLY HATE PVP so must get super mad when they get ganked on a PVE server.

We hate PvP so much we just NEVER WANT TO FLAG. PERIOD.

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I don't see what the problem is. If you are on a PvE server and hate this change, maybe you belong on a PvP server. After all, world PvPers have been telling more PvE type players to transfer to PvE servers for years if they dislike forced PvP. And, if you like world PvP and already play on a PvP server, then this will change nothing for you, so you shouldn't care.

Precisely this. Thank you.

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Well congrats for neutering your own game, yet another pander for no reason.

If people are so bad they cant handle an MMO they shouldnt be playing one. I dont understand why you bother playing WoW if you want a dungeon simular go play Monster Hunter.

All this whining is what led to the removal of twinks and wpvp and god knows what else.

I love the MMO. In fact, I am race changing to a Gnome, and moving to an RP realm. What I HATE is PvP. PvPers are primarily asshats who love to beat up on one another. If that is your idea of fun, good for you. But I play on PvE (soon RP as of tomorrow) to AVOID PvP and the asshats who come with it. I am glad I am finally getting a toggle which prevents me from EVER FLAGGING AGAIN, unless I get high on smack and enter a BG. PvP is the most HORRIBLE aspect of this game, and it is the player's attitudes which makes it such.

Enjoy your PvP realm. I will be NO WHERE NEAR IT.

[dwightyo39]

I don't get ganked often on a pvp realm. I can't imagine people on a pve realm have it "worse" than me. If getting killed by another player once in a blue moon on a pve realm upsets you that much, maybe you need counseling for depression or something.

[Coraulten]

Well damn, no more getting idiots to click on me so i can kill them.

[schwarzkopf]

Well damn, no more getting idiots to click on me so i can kill them.

Blizzard needs to give incentives to PvE players on PvE realms for things such as the Censor - the person with Censor has the incentive of getting coins to buy stuff, but there is NO PvE style incentive to flag to attack those people.

Answer - either remove such things from PvE realms, or give a PvE incentive (e.g. Shaoeo rep) for killing Censor enabled players.

On PvP realms - that incentive is not required, as everyone is PvP flagged already.

[Cwimge]

This is fantastic. pvp heroes on the wrong server can finally shut up and go back to a place where they are on the bottom of the pile- aka an actual pvp server

I await the QQ of "non-griefers are ruining world pvp!" with relish

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About time, is all I can say. While certainly not the biggest issue, its one that should have been fixed right from the start. All of the "click carefully" crowd can carefully go pvp on a pvp realm.

You have no idea how much I love this sentiment, as it is NEVER thrown up at pvp animals even remotely as often we we're told to go carebear ourselves. Also, on another note have you ever notices how the most creepy posts come from pvpers? those not-quite rp rage rants are nearly 100% some orc flipping out

[peterpan007]

Never played on a PvE realm, sounds... boring to me.

World of Warcraft?.

Queue up for a BG - problem solved

[Orange Joe]

I don't get ganked often on a pvp realm. I can't imagine people on a pve realm have it "worse" than me. If getting killed by another player once in a blue moon on a pve realm upsets you that much, maybe you need counseling for depression or something.

Or we aren't upset at all, and welcome a change that means we don't die when we shouldn't anymore.

[Airwaves]

They should just disable PVP all together on PVE realms along with battleground. You don't want to PvP in the world you shouldn't have the right to join BGs. BGs might become fun again when they are full with people who have already learnt to defend themselves not people who have never learnt to PvP becoming a push over.

[-Superman-]

They should just disable PVP all together on PVE realms along with battleground. You don't want to PvP in the world you shouldn't have the right to join BGs. BGs might become fun again when they are full with people who have already learnt to defend themselves not people who have never learnt to PvP becoming a push over.

People should still have the option to flag for PvP, and join Battlegrounds. This was not a "REMOVE" a feature. This is a "IMPROVE" a feature by ADDING a single option. Some people who PvE enjoy PvP and are really good at it. Then there are those of us who HATE PvP with the fire of a thousand suns simply because of the mentality of PvPers, particularly those who get bored and pull cheap stunts like this. The only thing this will "limit" is the unsuspecting PvEer from becoming inadvertently flagged because of some bored asshat.