Lack of respect / etiquette in dungeons nowadays!

[urasim]

skill =/= outgear the content with dps, so you can make the tank feel worthless.
And the NBA thing doesn't work here. The NBA guy doesn't force the kids on the side of the field cause he can do this alone.

No duh the NBA thing didn't work. Because it was a really bad analogy. But, it does happen in real life. An NBA player goes to a high school and players with the kids.

"The NBA guy doesn't force the kids on the side of the field cause he can do this alone."

No one is forcing the other players in the instances to stand back while one guy clears. Why not try and keep up? Gain some skill of your own.


"skill =/= outgear the content with dps"

This expansion's heroics are a joke. I was chain pulling rooms of adds as a tank at the start in greens.

[SDS]

This is my 2-cents:

The days of tanks requiring control of dungeons does indeed seem to be over, as many have said, but when I roll a new character and try to level via dungeons as a tank I still don't like DPS pulling for me for a few very good (to me) reasons.

1 - I'm learning how to tank. A tank's job is to pull and gather everything up so it can be DPS'd down. Some pulls are very easy, some are trickier. Having a DPS randomly pull stuff only teaches me how to taunt, which is already pretty easy. I like figuring out ways to deal with pulls in the best way possible, and I make sure to never be slow about it. There is always going to be someone who thinks you're not going fast enough, though.

2 - Sort of an addendum to the above: Tanking low level dungeons and easy dungeons is already annoying enough. I may not be going fast enough for you (Even though I rarely ever pause), but I'm going at the pace and difficulty level that is enjoyable for me. Having to chase after poor DPS pulls just makes my job that much more annoying, so why continue to do it if asked nicely to stop? People in this thread keep saying how rude and nubbish it is to be "wasting people's time" and "making the chore seem more chore-like", but have you considered that it's rude to the tank to be an impatient douchebag when they're just trying to make the best of a boring role?

3 - Same as 2, but from a healer's point of view. Unless the healer tells me to go balls out, I assume they're not here for a stressful time and that they just want to chill and get it done so they can go on to the next. Having one person controlling the flow of required healing seems much more relaxing then 4 people trying to do it at once. Atleast that's how I feel when healing normally trivial content.

Also, try and think about this way. There is a reason why low level tank queues are instant. Noone wants to bloody well do it because of the sheer amount of people who make it a thankless and mentally exhausting task. Try and remember that you're playing a game, and if you're spending most of your time raging at how long things are taking (Especially when it's really not taking that long, just 1-2 minutes then you personally would like it to), then you're missing the point. The game needs to be enjoyable for EVERYONE. If you get into a group that you're not enjoying, maybe leave it yourself rather then forcing everyone else to conform to you... Or even more radically, just calm yourself down and go with the flow. The game environment is already poison enough without people going out of their way to be ruthless venom spitters over the tiniest, inconsequential stuff.

Too many people in this thread seem to think it's ok to rage at complete strangers just because their view of how things should be isn't being followed, and THAT is why this community suffers so badly.

[Louis CK]

If you pull when you're not a tank, you're probably going to get kicked. It's how it is.

We can tell you've never tanked, or at least not for more than 5 minutes. Tanks not getting refreshed on their vengeance slows down their dps and the run as a whole. Your arrogance actually does the opposite of what you think it does.

But by all means, keep being proud of your ignorance.

I tank every heroic I do.

If you had paid any attention to any of the posts I've made, you would know. But hey, let's talk more about MY ignorance, shall we?

[endersblade]

No, I didn't. But it's also pure speculation that so and so many healers would support a votekick without asking all of them.

But that's the thing, I DO ask. Any time I have issues with a DPS, I talk to the healer. Normally it starts with "don't heal the moron" and they respond with "LOL gladly!" and said moron dies. If said moron continues, I tell the healer I'm going to vote kick, they respond favorably. So I at least know that my comments are backed up with fact, rather than just speculation.

I have been on both sides - heals and tank. I've had tanks do the same as above to me when I heal, and I support them. I'm an old school player, apparently one of 'those players', that for some moronic reason actually LIKES IT when people do their fucking job in a party instead of flying off the handle.

Granted, and thankfully as well, most of my runs go smoothly anyway. It's a very rare case where some idiot decides to do his own thing and eats dirt for it. But I have to say, of all the times I've had to talk to the healer for support on this matter, not a SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM has sided with the moron causing the issues. No healer wants to have to heal more than they have to (at least I don't), and when you have two people trying to tank, that's twice the work.

I am seriously wondering if the people trying to counter this argument ARE the morons that we normally vote kick, and are just trying to defend their idiocy.

[Louis CK]

But that's the thing, I DO ask. Any time I have issues with a DPS, I talk to the healer. Normally it starts with "don't heal the moron" and they respond with "LOL gladly!" and said moron dies. If said moron continues, I tell the healer I'm going to vote kick, they respond favorably. So I at least know that my comments are backed up with fact, rather than just speculation.

I have been on both sides - heals and tank. I've had tanks do the same as above to me when I heal, and I support them. I'm an old school player, apparently one of 'those players', that for some moronic reason actually LIKES IT when people do their fucking job in a party instead of flying off the handle.

Granted, and thankfully as well, most of my runs go smoothly anyway. It's a very rare case where some idiot decides to do his own thing and eats dirt for it. But I have to say, of all the times I've had to talk to the healer for support on this matter, not a SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM has sided with the moron causing the issues. No healer wants to have to heal more than they have to (at least I don't), and when you have two people trying to tank, that's twice the work.

I am seriously wondering if the people trying to counter this argument ARE the morons that we normally vote kick, and are just trying to defend their idiocy.

The fact that you even have time to bother whispering your healer about what a DPS May or may not be doing in a heroic at this point in the expansion makes me seriously question your tanking abilities.

My chat in heroics tanking consists of "hi friends" followed by 5 mins of pulling and "Ty for run". Anything other than that, then you're probably doing it wrong.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Most video game players are kids, probably between 10-16, don't expect to find any maturity in a video game community because at that age you are not supposed to be mature. People need to get that in their heads and stop complaining about how bad the community is.

[lMishka]

Most video game players are kids, probably between 10-16, don't expect to find any maturity in a video game community because at that age you are not supposed to be mature. People need to get that in their heads and stop complaining about how bad the community is.

You do know most of these 'kids' are players over the age of 20?

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

You do know most of these 'kids' are players over the age of 20?

Stop lying to yourself, don't be ridiculous thinking most gamers are over 20, that's something old gamers say to justify the fact that they are still playing video games when they are 20+.

[Louis CK]

Most video game players are kids, probably between 10-16, don't expect to find any maturity in a video game community because at that age you are not supposed to be mature. People need to get that in their heads and stop complaining about how bad the community is.

I'm 31 years old. I tank heroics simply for the fact that I don't want to deal with entitled, control freak tanks who think it's okay to tell people to wait, or to tell them "you pull it you tank it" or any other childish bullshit like that...

Respect is doing your job, and keeping up with what your job is... BC in SH Heroic? Sure, take your time, CC, mark, do whatever, that's what your job entailed. In MoP 5.4.7 though? Pull shit before your DPS does it for you. Simple as that.

All this backwards thinking of "I'm the tank, you wait on me" is rude as fuck, and completely unnecessary.

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Stop lying to yourself, don't be ridiculous thinking most gamers are over 20, that's something old gamers say to justify the fact that they are still playing video games when they are 20+.

I doubt your understanding of the gaming world.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

I'm 31 years old. I tank heroics simply for the fact that I don't want to deal with entitled, control freak tanks who think it's okay to tell people to wait, or to tell them "you pull it you tank it" or any other childish bullshit like that...

Respect is doing your job, and keeping up with what your job is... BC in SH Heroic? Sure, take your time, CC, mark, do whatever, that's what your job entailed. In MoP 5.4.7 though? Pull shit before your DPS does it for you. Simple as that.

All this backwards thinking of "I'm the tank, you wait on me" is rude as fuck, and completely unnecessary.

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I doubt your understanding of the gaming world.

Video games were originally directed at kids, and even now most games rated Teen. Keep denying the fact that most gamers are kids, and keep telling yourself most gamers are 20+ just to feel better about the fact that you are in your 30s and play video games. Im out...

[Mukor]

Normally, I let the tank pull, if he pulls more then one group. But if he doesn't or the healer says you can pull more, im going to go grab more and bring them to the tank. Tank can yell or take the aggro. His choice. Doesn't mean I'll listen. Going slow is boring and makes dungeons feel like a huge grind

[Louis CK]

Video games were originally directed at kids, and even now most games rated Teen. Keep denying the fact that most gamers are kids, and keep telling yourself most gamers are 20+ just to feel better about the fact that you are in your 30s and play video games. Im out...

So, you're saying you're between the ages of 10-16. Makes sense now, especially with your mic dropping "I'm out" comment. Cute, kid, real cute.

They should really get parent's permission before being allowed to post here.

[Doktor Faustus]

Video games were originally directed at kids, and even now most games rated Teen. Keep denying the fact that most gamers are kids, and keep telling yourself most gamers are 20+ just to feel better about the fact that you are in your 30s and play video games. Im out...

Here's a concept for you.

As you say, games were orginally designed for kids.

Lets say those kids from 40 years ago still play, guess what?

They are in their 40 and 50's!

As each generation grows up, many still play games.

I started playing games in the 80's, and I still play.

Many of my friends do... what close-minded world do you live in?

[Stonecloak]

Video games were originally directed at kids, and even now most games rated Teen. Keep denying the fact that most gamers are kids, and keep telling yourself most gamers are 20+ just to feel better about the fact that you are in your 30s and play video games. Im out...

I think we have an insecure 30 year old over here. We're in the 21st century. Games are a larger industry than the movies now. I would say besides Nintendo most games are made for adults or young adults.

[Deleted]

As a tank, trough my whole history of playing since vanilla, i never had this problem.
I usually only play a few weeks every major patch, so im always undergeared, and still have no problem with bad play/manners in 5mans.

The key is to simply pull fast as hell and only slow down when healer is oom, people never have time to type, dps is happy cuz they always got something to hit as you pull next pack before first one is dead.

For example, Jade Temple only need 4 pulls.

[Renx]

2014 - All I'm going to say.

My generation (I'm 21) grew up and seem to be mostly filled with a bunch of shits. Let's not talk about the up and coming!

Nah that is one of the reasons, but I think there's some others also.

Now days you can PuG and scream and bitch all you like without a consequence. Back when before LFD everything all pugs/groups were done with people all on the same server. The community (From my experience) made the toxic players known and most of the server knew who to avoid and who was someone good to group with. There was a bigger consequence pre LFD which lead to toxic players ending up being screwed if they had a bad name. I'm sure this wasn't 100% the case for everyone, but at least from my experience.

[Deleted]

Mad/bad tanks ITT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk

Infracted, post constructively.

[Deleted]

Well, it's not me who's dead in those cases.

People really need to stop saying that. If the DPS doesn't suck and is half-decently geared, he won't die to some 5 man heroic mobs.

[Rampant Rabbit]

The only reason I pull before a tank does is because I have the gear to survive it. Idgaf if the tank doesn't like it. I'm making this run faster for everyone, that is, if the tank isn't at my desired pace.

[Deleted]

Whenever I do dungeons, and I see that the group is at least 510+, I encourage the tank and the dps to pull as much as possible. They won't die, though some bigger pulls might actually require healing, which is damn awesome.