Possibly no flying throughout entire xpac.

[Conscious]

Kind of funny how you get a unique flying mount with the CE... which you might not even be able to use in WoD. LOL.

It's called bait and switch. Something Blizzard is becoming frighteningly good at.

I was amused when I took an alt through Uldum and flew right into the zone looking for quests and found.. none. Then I remembered that I had to go back to Tanaris and start the breadcrumb chain to start Uldum due to phasing.

Just one small example how flying can break the story the developers are trying to tell. Without flying, the only way into Uldum would have been through the gate where the breadcrumb quest is at.

That's not nearly as much flying's fault as it is yours.

Your error and phasing doesn't mean the problem is with your method of transportation.

Probably not a good example to use.

[Asmekiel]

damn why didn't i thought of that. so how does flying enhance exploration?

Because you now can see everything from more than just the ground.

[-Superman-]

Is there really a difference?

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[Perkunas]

Because people do a poor job at hiding their agendas.

There really isn't a pro for removing flying past level cap, besides for the sake of a vocal minority of (unskilled) PvP'ers as well as maximizing subscription time.

Kills immersion? Use a ground mount.

Same excuse as for those who roll on PvP servers.

Don't want to PvP? - DON'T ROLL ON ONE.

WANT THE WORLD OPENED UP? - DON'T USE A FLYING MOUNT.

Here's the issue though... Human nature. People are going to take the easiest option. There's no drawback of flying mounts at all. They are faster, they are way more safe, and that makes ground mounts pale in comparison. If there were monstrous Kaliri that flew at 500% speed patrolling every single inch of the Draenor skies and or flying mounts were slower than ground mounts it'd be a fair comparison.

[Sky High]

Being able to fly diminishes the quests you do while leveling, as well as how you first enter the zone. Not sure how being able to fly at max level makes that happen though.

well isn't that a matter of perspective. for me it's having to do the same god damn quests on each toon I have. places like Deepholm became the bane of my existence for that reason. plus, how did you miss the part where I said flying be allowed at cap? leveling you still get to run on a ground mount, which for me wasn't a big deal.

[Mental Surge]

You can use it even without flying, it can run.

No kidding, but that kind of defeats of the purpose of getting a FLYING mount, no? Id rather just use a ground mount.

[Deleted]

subscribers have taken over the game..and mostly those who complain about almost everything. They model the game just like plasteline and that's the reason why this game is dying, and will die sooner than we all might think. Let them take a decision as they did once, and see what happens.. it wont hurt. They came up with one awesome idea there..but the reason they will change their mind in the end is the community as its always been. /sigh

[Conscious]

Here's the issue though... Human nature. People are going to take the easiest option. There's no drawback of flying mounts at all. They are faster, they are way more safe, and that makes ground mounts pale in comparison. If there were monstrous Kaliri that flew at 500% speed patrolling every single inch of the Draenor skies and or flying mounts were slower than ground mounts it'd be a fair comparison.

But they're also an option.

Saying that they're safer is directly implying that people are obliged subject themselves to inconvenience or WPvP - which is just stupid at all levels.

[draynay]

Just one small example how flying can break the story the developers are trying to tell. Without flying, the only way into Uldum would have been through the gate where the breadcrumb quest is at.

That stuff breaks plenty well on its own, as much fun as it is to not be able to do any more quests in a zone because the quest you're on bugged out and nothing else is available until you complete it. Not being able to play until your ticket gets answered was a great design choice... removing flying is yet another mistake that I don't think I will tolerate.

[-Superman-]

Why would you delete the account? That's such a rash thing to do.

When someone takes 1/2 the fun out of your travel, and removes your ability to do in the game what you have always done in the game, the game is no longer the same. The removal of flight for me would be like giving me a new Porsche and then reminding me there is a Prius engine in it.

[dramatic] Bid ol' slap in the face for purchasing FLYING mounts from their store [/dramatic]

[Frolk]

Im loving all the butthurt, anger and entitlement MORE than the fact that we might not have flying, which i welcome with open arms
*eats popcorn*

[Fudge]

If this was true (which it probably isn't), I think it'd be nice to see all the entitled convenience babies leave the game. Will probably make for a better atmosphere and community.

Exactly, I'm sure that with subs leaving left and right so you "hardcore" players can hoof it out... Blizz will be right on top of new content, especially with the staff reductions that come with decreased revenue.

[Asmekiel]

What about max level Quests/content?

I guess that's why we can't fly on IoT. Though I do think we should be able to fly there now too. If you mean dailies, do those even fall under storyline quests? Almost all of those are simply quests to have a quest there.

[Joey Ray III]

Because you now can see everything from more than just the ground.

ok fine. but that's more sightseeing then actual exploration.

[-Superman-]

You can still explore on ground mounts. Just saying. It's actually quite fun with added dangers and travelling.

You speak as if flying is the ONLY way to explore. And I call bullshit on that.

I'm sure you probably used a ground mount to get up to Hyjal from Winterspring or Felwood. Please, tell me more about how awesome ground mounts are and how they help with exploration.

[draynay]

Im loving all the butthurt, anger and entitlement MORE than the fact that we might not have flying, which i welcome with open arms
*eats popcorn*

it certainly isn't false entitlement, we've paid for it

am I going to get a refund if they remove content I paid for?

[-Superman-]

Flying is so fundamental that WoW is completely unplayable without it. Right?

Again, get to Mount Hyjal without a portal or a Flying mount and tell me how awesome it was.

[Conscious]

Im loving all the butthurt, anger and entitlement MORE than the fact that we might not have flying, which i welcome with open arms
*eats popcorn*

How the fuck are people entitled? This feature has been in the game since TBC, and may be removed for the duration of this expansion.

This isn't an argument of the loss of Sunsong fucking Ranch, this is a feature that predates a fuckload of people, probably you too.

Quit trolling.

[Mental Surge]

You can still fly with it in Azeroth/Outland and in Draenor after major patch*. So, in the end it's better to grant you a winged bird with ground/flying option instead of just being a ground mount.

*No, I don't believe that they change their plan from delaying it by a single patch.

Well if you CAN fly with it after a patch in Draenor then that's fine, but Im speaking under the assumption that they never implement it. Also if they were going to introduce a mount that can fly but most of the time can't, then I would much rather have something OTHER THAN A BIRD. Seems incredibly redundant to even have wings. Would rather have something along the lines of a sky golem.

[Joey Ray III]

Again, get to Mount Hyjal without a portal or a Flying mount and tell me how awesome it was.

hyjal assumes you fly. dreanor won't.