View Poll Results: What is the probability that the Tinker can be the next class ( IYO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Are you serious? Do you not know how large demonic gateway is? Its way larger than a character. If Pocket Factory is half that size, it should be able to produce decently sized robots with plenty of explosive power.
    Demonic Gateway is tall, but thin and hollow to not obstruct view. Your 'factory' would be just as big, opaque, and thicker. You'd need to make it smaller. Half its size it'd have to make small robots to account for materials inside the 'factory' to produce said things. It's not just a door where robots magically come through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Demonic Gateway is tall, but thin and hollow to not obstruct view. Your 'factory' would be just as big, opaque, and thicker. You'd need to make it smaller. Half its size it'd have to make small robots to account for materials inside the 'factory' to produce said things. It's not just a door where robots magically come through.
    No, we don't have to account for materials because its a video game.

    All you need to do is make a factory about half the size of Demonic Gateway and you're good to go.



    You seriously going to argue that a box structure half that size would obstruct view, but that big crazy thing with the swirly orbs that's way larger than the Warlock is not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    No, we don't have to account for materials because its a video game.
    All you need to do is make a factory about half the size of Demonic Gateway and you're good to go.
    [IMG]http://lightersideofwow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/WoWScrnShot_020213_150448.jpg[IMG]
    You seriously going to argue that a box structure half that size would obstruct view, but that big crazy thing with the swirly orbs that's way larger than the Warlock is not?
    A 'box structure' half that size would produce robots, at best, half its size, which would make for pretty poor excuses for bombs, kind of like the bombling pet.

    Also, the demonic portal is thin, and I can see through it, as proven by the warlock standin behind it in plain view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    A 'box structure' half that size would produce robots, at best, half its size, which would make for pretty poor excuses for bombs, kind of like the bombling pet.
    You mean like these bomblings?

    http://wowpedia.org/Bombling

    They do significant damage in their respective raids.

    Also, the demonic portal is thin, and I can see through it, as proven by the warlock standin behind it in plain view.
    It's about twice as thick as your character, and its a huge structure. You can only see through the openings around the portal, and in the center of that portal is swirling energy.

    Again, you're making hilarious excuses and pretending that there's no way the Tinker couldn't have something that's smaller and less obtrusive than what's already in the game.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2014-03-21 at 12:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You mean like these bomblings?
    http://wowpedia.org/Bombling
    They do significant damage in their respective raids.
    Except those are NPCs, and you know PC versions are much weaker. Or does Soul Reaper hit as hard as its NPC version?

    It's about twice as thick as your character, and its a huge structure. You can only see through the openings around the portal, and in the center of that portal is swirling energy.
    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.

    Again, you're making hilarious excuses and pretending that there's no way the Tinker couldn't have something that's smaller and less obtrusive than what's already in the game.
    The only 'hilarious excuses' are how you evade clear issues just to bring your wet dream to life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.
    As usual, his imagination has filled in that giant hole that anyone else can see through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Except those are NPCs, and you know PC versions are much weaker. Or does Soul Reaper hit as hard as its NPC version?
    Which is fine. Weaker than a raid-level NPC is still far more powerful than a completely useless Engineering bomb.


    Which is a big hole that you can easily see through.
    Only if you ignore everything else going on around that hole with the swirling energy.

    The only 'hilarious excuses' are how you evade clear issues just to bring your wet dream to life.
    Every "issue" you've brought up has been resolved. What excuse are you going to come up with next?
    Last edited by Teriz; 2014-03-21 at 01:11 AM.

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    They've been resolved in your mind. Myself and the above posters happen to agree with Ielenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beshou View Post
    They've been resolved in your mind. Myself and the above posters happen to agree with Ielenia.
    So you agree with Ielenia that the size of a robot really determines their destructive power in a videogame, or that a factory in a fantasy videogame needs to be a certain size in order to account for the materials it needs to build robots?

    Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beshou View Post
    They've been resolved in your mind. Myself and the above posters happen to agree with Ielenia.
    Speak for yourself bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrugner View Post
    The only reason the factory comes up as being a factory for making robots is Teriz trying to show that none of the tinker's WC3 abilities are taken and that they needto be in the game, and that they are on the same level of fantasy as other WoW abilities.

    Some small robot teleporter, or robots being created from leftover junk parts from the tinker's other creations are pretty cool and very workable ideas, being both smaller scale and less absurd. The class ends up being a lot more manageable with small changes like that, but it ruins Teriz's heartheld belief that tinkers need to be the next class added, this time for sure. A conversation about how to make tinkers cool, interesting, and suited to the setting would be entirely different from this one of ensuring that tinkers are next up or more likely than some other class.
    Why is that a conversation that needs to be had? People already think the Tinker is cool. Interesting, and suited for the setting. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be in WC3 in the first place, and it wouldn't be in HotS. Clearly its cool, interesting, and fitting for the setting for Blizzard, so what's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Only if you ignore everything else going on around that hole with the swirling energy.
    Which are easily ignored because those bars are thin enough and the overall structure is easy to see through, unlike a solid box.

    Every "issue" you've brought up has been resolved. What excuse are you going to come up with next?
    They aren't resolved. You are just ignoring them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which are easily ignored because those bars are thin enough and the overall structure is easy to see through, unlike a solid box.
    A solid box about half the size.

    They aren't resolved. You are just ignoring them.
    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    A solid box about half the size.
    Which would be at least 'player size'. Still too big for a thick, burly, opaque item that is supposed to appear every time during an encounter, unlike the demonic portal which is rarely really used.

    Such as?
    Selective reading much? All the issues we've talked so far ever since the start of this thread. But I'll accept just the current issues, which is how a burly opaque factory would clutter and block vision for players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which would be at least 'player size'. Still too big for a thick, burly, opaque item that is supposed to appear every time during an encounter, unlike the demonic portal which is rarely really used.
    Then make it about as large as a crate or a guild chest, or as big as a Abandoned Blackwash Crate. Problem solved.

    Selective reading much? All the issues we've talked so far ever since the start of this thread. But I'll accept just the current issues, which is how a burly opaque factory would clutter and block vision for players.
    Its truly amazing how the Tinker is the only class concept with the potential to block player's vision.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2014-03-21 at 01:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Then make it about as large as a crate or a guild chest, or as big as a Abandoned Blackwash Crate. Problem solved.
    The bombs that would come out of such a thing would be just so negligible...

    Its truly amazing how the Tinker is the only class concept with the potential to block player's vision.
    Well, your tinker is, of course. Giant, metallic, 100% opaque mecha backpack with giand, metallic, 100% opaque arms dropping giant, opaque factories.... I don't need to go on, do I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    The bombs that would come out of such a thing would be just so negligible...
    Bombs don't come out of the factory. Robots do.


    Well, your tinker is, of course. Giant, metallic, 100% opaque mecha backpack with giand, metallic, 100% opaque arms dropping giant, opaque factories.... I don't need to go on, do I?
    Its not my Tinker, it's Blizzard's Tinker. Also none of that which you mentioned above are significant issues or problems. At least not significant enough that the art or design team couldn't work around.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2014-03-21 at 02:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Bombs don't come out of the factory. Robots do.
    Which is even worse. What would those robots do? Chip at the mobs' toenails?

    Its not my Tinker, it's Blizzard's Tinker. Also none of that which you mentioned above are significant issues or problems. At least not significant enough that the art or design team couldn't work around.
    Nope. It's your tinker. Because Blizzard's tinker exists only on WC3. And as far as what the design team can do, I agree, but then we would not have your tinker, which would be a really big plus for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which is even worse. What would those robots do? Chip at the mobs' toenails?
    They would do what they did in WC3; Attack the target and then explode.

    Nope. It's your tinker. Because Blizzard's tinker exists only on WC3.
    The main source of all of WoW's classes.

    Imagine that.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2014-03-21 at 03:17 AM.

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    Ielenia wth are you even talking about? You think Blizzard couldn't design a pocket factory large enough for decent sized robots to get through, and make it so neither the PF or the arms obstructs the player's view? Using size as a reason against Tinker implementation, has to be the worst argument against a new class concept ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    They would do what they did in WC3; Attack the target and then explode.
    So, bombs.

    The main source of all of WoW's classes.
    Imagine that.
    Yeah, and from where it won't ever get out of, since that tinker hero unit is not canon. Imagine that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhamses View Post
    Ielenia wth are you even talking about? You think Blizzard couldn't design a pocket factory large enough for decent sized robots to get through, and make it so neither the PF or the arms obstructs the player's view? Using size as a reason against Tinker implementation, has to be the worst argument against a new class concept ever.
    Here's the thing: I don't doubt Blizzard could design a good tinker class if it really wanted to. However, Teriz's tinker idea is just simply unfeasible due to the way he idealizes this class. Look at the mecha backpack: it's easy two or even three times the size of the goblin that is using it. The reason it had that in WC3 is two fold: one, it's a joke hero; two, it was so this unit could be easily seen amidst all the units you are working with, since goblins are naturally small. Same thing for the Goblin Alchemist: riding atop an ogre so it could be easily identifiable in the battleground.
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