Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Skulkgra]

For most Americans they believe they single handedly won the war while the British and Russians just sat around drinking or bumping into things due to their own incompetence. Don't you know? We'd all be speaking German now if not for America!

/rollseyes

Ofcourse, because it is typical for western media to downplay the victory of USSR in WWII. From that propaganda, people like Skroesek are born, "proud eagles", no less.

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Stalin is most definitely among the biggest fascists in history.

That is propaganda. He was a dictator, he killed many people, but his victims are .. overvictimized, and the number of people died from repressions is greatly overrated, thanks to liars like Solzhenitsyn.

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That is propaganda. He was a dictator, he killed many people, but his victims are .. overvictimized, and the number of people died from repressions is greatly overrated, thanks to liars like Solzhenitsyn.

So the people who got executed because they did not agree with the regime are now overvictimized?

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You inability to comprehend history, words and their meaning is astonishing.

Petty insults from a petty person.

[obdigore]

We were not fascists and "installed" none.
Plus not only did we free Balkans alone, but I'd say whole world from that scourge.

Wait wait wait. Are you trying to suggest that Stalinism doesn't include a huge dose of fascism? Or that the USSR wasn't an extremely fascist government up until close to the end?

[Haven]

Excuse me? What the fuck were the snipers in Maidan then?

Provokers. They did their job, raised the hysteria so that the crowd was ready to blame anyone, and instigators made sure the blame lay where it was needed. But this time, it's government officially putting down resistance by lethal force. And they have to hire Greystone for that because local police doesn't want to get their hands this dirty. European idylle.

When did you win a war on nazism to be so proud of your military as to throw parade? And you misunderstand, it's not a parade to demonstrate military might, but a parade in honour of people who gave their lifes for our Motherland.

Shh, don't tell him that USSR won WW2 on 9th of May and that we celebrate this day ever since, or we'll get a gazillion pages of posts about how it was actuallly an elite squad of American Nazi-hunters that assassinated Hitler and won the war.

[Valerean]

Well, considering the nigh-Godlike abilities of the American military as some posters here seem to think of it, I'm sure the US could go in militarily, clean up the Russian presence in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, make sure the Russians are never in a position to do so again, and head home with minimal casualties, right?

I mean, it's the giant and the gnat, David and Goliath, right?

So...why doesn't the US do it and just be done with the situation instead of sniveling internationally and writing angrily-worded letters?

Yes, if the United States wanted to, it could remove Russian military assets from Crimea.

Why doesn't it?

Because:

a) Concerted, targeted sanctions will do far more damage to Moscow than giving them a bloody nose and removing their access to the Black Sea / Crimean Peninsula. Sanctions also don't require you to risk the lives of your soldiers and potentially spark a wider conflict with the world's second nuclear superpower.

b) Absolutely no-one wants to see a full-scale theater conflict. Not Washington, not Moscow, not Beijing, no-one.

c) It would be very hard to do. Not impossible, certainly within the capabilities of the US military. But American soldiers would die - probably hundreds, maybe thousands.

d) Ukraine is not a part of NATO, and the Alliance is under no obligation to defend it.

So, unless Moscow decides that it wants to go all the way to Kiev, the chances of Uncle Sam pulling on his boxing gloves are slim to non-existent.

[catablitz]

National Guard brigades do combat tours to Afghanistan and did them for Iraq. The weekend warrior thing went away over a decade ago.

Killing unarmed civilians or bombing does not count as combat experience. Btw, have you watched the movie Jarhead? it is great!
Meanwhile let Spetsnaz train on Blackwater.

If you want to get to know Skroesec better, this is a good sum up of his dogma:http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...miscalculated/ No need to comment.

And for your entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WzbWXhveaM 30 unarmed civilians and a yellow LADA vs ukrainian T-80. Yes, that is another surrender.

[Haven]

So you have leaked phone call from two people speaking about third person who thinks that the shooters might be connected to the new intern government, and then the first 2 people agreeing that maybe they should investigate it? This is on the same level of proof as lunatics here yelling about CIA and then you quoting them.

Also please tell me, why the fuck would the new government order killings on people who are supporting them?

What's the lives of a couple of random hamsters worth? The hysteria and provocation are much more meaningful than two additional throats shouting slogans. And it's a good excuse to lay the blame on the opponents.

[Skulkgra]

So the people who got executed because they did not agree with the regime are now overvictimized?

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Petty insults from a petty person.

You seem to swap the meanings of "not agreeing with the regime" and "doing everything to undermine it". It was alright not to agree with the regime, and some lived happily not agreeing with it.

USSR was a multi-national country, all accusations of fascism are laughable.

[Skroe]

My Tu-95? Where do you get the idea I am Russian? Proves even more that you just read what you want to read...

Because it's relevant and important where the fuck your from. You could be from the goddamn Azores and I would authentically not give a crap, or change a word I said. It in no way altars my point where you are from. If you're not Russian... fine whatever. Who cares.

I am opposed to power games if they are being done by any country. Also I am very much in favor of showing more sides than just the one-sided "Russia is bad, US is good".

Cry me a river. Really. Showing "more sides than just one-sided" to who exactly? On what stage? MMO-Champion OT? And what will this endeavor earn you exactly hmm? I'm not sure if you've been paying attention to this thread, but it's mostly been citizens of NATO countries throwing bombs at Team Russia that discredited itself from day one with Orwellian after Orwellian claim, with occasional interjection by MMO-Champion's Chief Anti-Western Correspondent Cybran and his barely comprehensible Italian lackey. It's been simultaneously MMO-Champion's most and least rewarding thread. Hell if this topic isn't the most interesting in months. But fuck, the most surprising thing about it is that Bakis and I actually got along in it.... most everyone else is saying exactly what you would expect them to say. This is a place where people fact check the fact check the fact check over and over again, and try to screw people who say unsubstantiated things (see: "Most Russian conscripts stay in the service until they retire or die"). We measure US / Russian schlongs and spend time extrapolating where events will go based on recent developments. All of it is very fun.

So you want to "show more than one-side"? You may want to consider your platform. This is not an effective one for what you want. You will find no unconverted here. I'm sure you can picture in your head exactly what Team NATO and Team Russia will say if Russian tanks roll into the rest of Ukraine. And simultaneously, I'm sure you can envision what they will say if Russia decides to stand down and stop acting completely nuts. That is what this thread is.

Believe me, I'm all for talking to a tough audience. But let's be real. Most Europeans, even when they are pissed at the US for one thing or another, legitimately want Russia as far away from them as humanely possible. Americans? Well messing with Russia and rallying the rest around our common banner is our bread and butter, so this is like slipping on a comfortable pair of pants. Russians? Well, Vladmir Putin is hawking upon them the most bullshit sense of pride that one could ever conjour up... but it's still pride they haven't felt in many years, so their behavior is understandable. This is not the stage you're looking for.

Check for example my post where i explained how dependent Russia is on the Ukraine... Too many people in this thread don't know shit and are very one-sided, but behave like they know everything. Guess they had some drunken talk in the pub or something?

You weren't the first person to post that info. We're 682 pages into an affair that started in February whose pace of events slowed down dramatically in the last two weeks (but might be picking up again soon)

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Facts have nothing to do with insults.

Then tell me, I'm clueless about what history? What words? What meanings? Until you can point out what I am supposedly not comprehending then all you say are petty insults.

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Killing unarmed civilians or bombing does not count as combat experience.

You can say the same about the Chechnya wars..

[Skulkgra]

Because it's relevant and important where the fuck your from. You could be from the goddamn Azores and I would authentically not give a crap, or change a word I said. It in no way altars my point where you are from. If you're not Russian... fine whatever. Who cares.


Cry me a river. Really. Showing "more sides than just one-sided" to who exactly? On what stage? MMO-Champion OT? And what will this endeavor earn you exactly hmm? I'm not sure if you've been paying attention to this thread, but it's mostly been citizens of NATO countries throwing bombs at Team Russia that discredited itself from day one with Orwellian after Orwellian claim, with occasional interjection by MMO-Champion's Chief Anti-Western Correspondent Cybran and his barely comprehensible Italian lackey. It's been simultaneously MMO-Champion's most and least rewarding thread. Hell if this topic isn't the most interesting in months. But fuck, the most surprising thing about it is that Bakis and I actually got along in it.... most everyone else is saying exactly what you would expect them to say. This is a place where people fact check the fact check the fact check over and over again, and try to screw people who say unsubstantiated things (see: "Most Russian conscripts stay in the service until they retire or die"). We measure US / Russian schlongs and spend time extrapolating where events will go based on recent developments. All of it is very fun.

So you want to "show more than one-side"? You may want to consider your platform. This is not an effective one for what you want. You will find no unconverted here. I'm sure you can picture in your head exactly what Team NATO and Team Russia will say if Russian tanks roll into the rest of Ukraine. And simultaneously, I'm sure you can envision what they will say if Russia decides to stand down and stop acting completely nuts. That is what this thread is.

Believe me, I'm all for talking to a tough audience. But let's be real. Most Europeans, even when they are pissed at the US for one thing or another, legitimately want Russia as far away from them as humanely possible. Americans? Well messing with Russia and rallying the rest around our common banner is our bread and butter, so this is like slipping on a comfortable pair of pants. Russians? Well, Vladmir Putin is hawking upon them the most bullshit sense of pride that one could ever conjour up... but it's still pride they haven't felt in many years, so their behavior is understandable. This is not the stage you're looking for.



You weren't the first person to post that info. We're 682 pages into an affair that started in February whose pace of events slowed down dramatically in the last two weeks (but might be picking up again soon)

For all your claimed intelligence you seem to underestimate the impact Mass Media has on people's minds. And this forum is just another mass media, partially. You twist others' words in your favour, and try to demean pro-russian poster. You are very predictable.

[Skroe]

So what, yeah, they contributed. But who were the bulk of NATO soldiers there(I mean Jugoslavia for instance)? Proud americans like yourself? Nah, there were baltic people.

Today, 4/15/14, ISAF (NATO) composition in Afghanistan s this:

http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbe...ions/index.php
Thats 33,500 US troops, 5200 British troops, 2730 German troops, 2019 Italian troops, so on and so forth. The first baltic country is Estonia with 159 soldiers. Not to downplay their much appreciated commitment. They are playing their part in the alliance.

But you were saying about "bulk of NATO soldiers"?

You seem to forget we have freed them from facists. And do you really claim that no country should have statues to prominent foreigners? Lol.

They traded one monster for another monster. What happened during the existence of the Soviet Union, to parties that weren't communist that sought to change the arrangement of state power, in Soviet buffer states? Oh that's right. Pretty much the same thing the fascists did.

And I'm calling bulshit on what you wrote, I don't know why, but clearly you seem to be obsessed with idea of US superiority.

Because it's a data driven conclusion. You very clearly pulled an entirely illogical number out of your ass that is directly refused up by data I linked. US Superiority is a both a reality and a goal. The way power is balanced in the world today, makes it that reality. Preserving, strenghtening and extending that superiority - something I want by the way - is a goal. They are two dies of the same coin you see... a recognition of the way things are, and a commitment to keeping it that way or improving it.

Here is more data about Russian onscripts, directly from the US Military. More refutation of what you said.
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...es/PUB1071.pdf

[Ausr]

For all your claimed intelligence you seem to underestimate the impact Mass Media has on people's minds. And this forum is just another mass media, partially. You twist others' words in your favour, and try to demean pro-russian poster. You are very predictable.

You remind of Djial or whatever. Can't really refute the facts other than the claim he's brainwashed.

I like pro-Russian posters. They're like Republicans.

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You seem to swap the meanings of "not agreeing with the regime" and "doing everything to undermine it". It was alright not to agree with the regime, and some lived happily not agreeing with it.

USSR was a multi-national country, all accusations of fascism are laughable.

So that event in the late 30s where Stalin executed a whole bunch of people, including Trotsky, for not agreeing with him never happened? The deportation of ethnic minorities from their ancestral homelands never happened?

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"Italian" has become an insult in skroesec's world.
after his delirious basement-dwelling rants i always feel like quoting robin William in good morning Vietnam:
"You're in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history"

[Stelio Kontos]

"Italian" has become an insult in skroesec's world.
after his delirious basement-dwelling rants i always feel like quoting robin William in good morning Vietnam:
"You're in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history"

Don't you know, not coming from an English-speaking country automatically makes you objectively terrible. You have nothing to be proud of, nothing worthwhile, and no military history or capability at all if you're not part of the Anglosphere! You're just shit in a uniform otherwise.

[catablitz]

Preserving, strenghtening and extending that superiority - something I want by the way - is a goal.

Yea, exactly. You have your ambitions. So do others, in this "free" world. And some of them do not like that notion of superiority. Why can't you just accept that.

The way power is balanced in the world today, makes it that reality.

You definitely got this one right.

[Shalcker]

Wait wait wait. Are you trying to suggest that Stalinism doesn't include a huge dose of fascism? Or that the USSR wasn't an extremely fascist government up until close to the end?

It didn't and it wasn't. It was brutal, but wasn't fascism.

For one, fascists were always at odds with communists; fascists were always on "far right" of political spectrum while USSR was firmly on the "left".

[Skulkgra]

Today, 4/15/14, ISAF (NATO) composition in Afghanistan s this:

http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbe...ions/index.php
Thats 33,500 US troops, 5200 British troops, 2730 German troops, 2019 Italian troops, so on and so forth. The first baltic country is Estonia with 159 soldiers. Not to downplay their much appreciated commitment. They are playing their part in the alliance.

But you were saying about "bulk of NATO soldiers"?



They traded one monster for another monster. What happened during the existence of the Soviet Union, to parties that weren't communist that sought to change the arrangement of state power, in Soviet buffer states? Oh that's right. Pretty much the same thing the fascists did.




Because it's a data driven conclusion. You very clearly pulled an entirely illogical number out of your ass that is directly refused up by data I linked. US Superiority is a both a reality and a goal. The way power is balanced in the world today, makes it that reality. Preserving, strenghtening and extending that superiority - something I want by the way - is a goal. They are two dies of the same coin you see... a recognition of the way things are, and a commitment to keeping it that way or improving it.

Here is more data about Russian onscripts, directly from the US Military. More refutation of what you said.
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...es/PUB1071.pdf

The chart is about Afghanistan, and I did not mean Afghanistan. By the way, they're doing shitty job there, the drug flow from Afghanistan has increased manyfold since Nato invaded it.
And refutations of what I said are in this US Institute? It's propaganda.
And yeah, well maybe anti communist parties weren't allowed to continue, but methods employed by US are not harmless either, though they are far more hypocritical.