Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Cyberowl]

Stalin also started his revolutionary career on bank robberies (for funding Revolution, obviously).

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They were armed though; they were riding in bus with munitions and Ukrainian military staff.

They were military observers, not hippies.

[BreathTaker]

Then why there is still mausoleum in Kremlin, Why then whole time of Soviet Union there was used Lenins portrait on medals, orders and so on? And why then you have Statues of him in your capital?

And after all that what rights Russia have to judge Ukraine and there people in Kiev if your country still support criminals who caused pain for Russia?

You do realize that there's still many people from older generations who lived HAPPY childhood in USSR and loved Lenin and communism?
What should i do, argue with them and make society split on this matter? No way. In a couple of decades it'll all be history for everyone anyway.
My father supports communism "because in those times we were conquering the space and now all we do is earn money". We can laugh about it but do you think i should make a conflict inside my own family just because of the difference in views on a matter long gone?
Are you serious? We have nothing to do with comunism or USSR nowadays, it's just that we cannot declare the ideology bad or wrong without hurting peoples feelings

[Shalcker]

They were military observers, not hippies.

Yep, it's just calling military non-OSCE observers "unarmed OSCE observers" is a bit disingenuous because it mixes them with actual civilian OSCE observers that had absolutely no problems dealing with rebels.

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Because like others have said, the "price worth paying" is a price way too cheap.

You are so stuck in your own propaganda that you actually harm your own economy in order to fight evil Russia.

[Thunderball]

I'm pretty sure they weren't allowed to move freely outside of military bases with loaded weapons.

1. Ukrainian government presented no charges of breaking the treat about Russian Black Sea Fleet. 2. Noone shooted anyone, so loaded weapons is a pretty bold statement. 3. They are allowed to move anywere, unless Ukrainian command prohibits. Ukrainian command didnt issue ANY ORDERS WHAT-SO-EVER for the length of the crisis. Ukrainian troops just sat there until everything was done.

[Jackmoves]

They were armed though; they were riding in bus with munitions and Ukrainian military staff.

No they were not armed, they havnt been armed once since this started at the begining of March. Several swedes has taken turns, they go around unarmed but with police escort. This continues as we speak btw.

They dont even carry sidearms, they do carry their nations Uniforms though.

[BreathTaker]

They were military observers, not hippies.

But military observies were not allowed there yet, AFAIK? And then bam! The civilian observers turn out to be armed and members of military structures of the west. That stinks

[Cybran]

I think the last drop for me was the capture of unarmed OSCE observers and the refusal to release them. That is shit you might expect in Congo or some other wartorn nation. These guys were there to observe that rights for the parties involved are upheld.

The last drop for me was when Nuland didn't get fired after conspiring with and coaching the opposition.

[Thunderball]

Stalin also started his revolutionary career on bank robberies (for funding Revolution, obviously).

That's right. Most of the initial communist revolution leaders had the simillar background.

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Then why there is still mausoleum in Kremlin, Why then whole time of Soviet Union there was used Lenins portrait on medals, orders and so on? And why then you have Statues of him in your capital?

And after all that what rights Russia have to judge Ukraine and there people in Kiev if your country still support criminals who caused pain for Russia?

It's part of our history. You dont just throw it away. For example, a lot of stuff (most of the stuff, actually) in russian cities and towns is named after prominent communists. It's a pretty big work to change that. It's being done, but it's not like things are gonna get demolished just because communists made that.

[Puupi]

You do realize that there's still many people from older generations who lived HAPPY childhood in USSR and loved Lenin and communism?

So did many people in nazi Germany. They loved Hitler and fascism.

What should i do, argue with them and make society split on this matter? No way. In a couple of decades it'll all be history for everyone anyway.

I know it's a hard concept for Russians to question authority, but yes, you can do that!

My father supports communism "because in those times we were conquering the space and now all we do is earn money".

Yes, you conquered space while people were starving and the state was bankrupt. Now you are trying to earn money to do stuff (like buy food).

We can laugh about it but do you think i should make a conflict inside my own family just because of the difference in views on a matter long gone?

Your family issues are your issues.

Are you serious? We have nothing to do with comunism or USSR nowadays, it's just that we cannot declare the ideology bad or wrong without hurting peoples feelings

If you are worried about people feelings getting hurt, your leader would apologize, then STFU and move all troops from Ukrainian border.

[Rukentuts]

You are so stuck in your own propaganda that you actually harm your own economy in order to fight evil Russia.

It's a price worth paying. It's best not to trade with imperialistic fascists.

[Puupi]

1. Ukrainian government presented no charges of breaking the treat about Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Because Russia denied that the troops were Russian. Russia lied.

2. Noone shooted anyone, so loaded weapons is a pretty bold statement.

There were deaths. The sniper shot at least two Ukrainian soldiers.

3. They are allowed to move anywere, unless Ukrainian command prohibits. Ukrainian command didnt issue ANY ORDERS WHAT-SO-EVER for the length of the crisis. Ukrainian troops just sat there until everything was done.

Yet again, Russia lied that the troops weren't Russian. They admitted it later on.

[Shalcker]

Eh, no missiles used, did this Ukrainian guy really said that? There are clear videos of those helicopters over Slovyansk firing missiles....

[Wilian]

I'd like to see those videos. I've been digging all sorts of stuff on today's events (as evident few pages back) but there's been none about helicopters firing missiles..

[Thunderball]

If you are worried about people feelings getting hurt, your leader would apologize, then STFU and move all troops from Ukrainian border.

He has nothing to apologize for. Also, Russian military are free to move inside Russian borders. You'd better start with advicing someone who has troops outside it's borders.

[Kellhound]

Sadly?
Do you realise the consequences of an isolated Russia for Europe? I mean security wise.

A pissed off impotant shell of a former superpower that becomes the resource cow of China as it takes Russia's place on the world stage?

[Cyberowl]

Eh, no missiles used, did this Ukrainian guy really said that? There are clear videos of those helicopters over Slovyansk firing missiles....

Funny how your mind shifted from photos and videos being fakeable when they were about unidentified troops to prove when they are about Ukrainian helicopters.

Not saying that I believe the Ukrainian guy, nor did I see this video, but you just made me laugh :3

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It's a price worth paying. It's best not to trade with imperialistic fascists.

hahaha. You do realise the irony here?

Why is everyone so annoyed that Russia lied?(or might have double standards) I don't understand.

[Puupi]

He has nothing to apologize for. Also, Russian military are free to move inside Russian borders. You'd better start with advicing someone who has troops outside it's borders.

Like Crimea?

[Rukentuts]

hahaha. You do realise the irony here?

Yeah, that irony where other nations are currently annexing others because zomg we want our glorious empire back.

Britain should start with India. Cheap tech support.