WoD Gruul Heroic Kill

[Mteq]

average of what, 26/27k dps? what was the ilvl?

[Anzen]

average of what, 26/27k dps? what was the ilvl?

Off the top of my head, I think they scaled the item level to 665.

[Deleted]

And why are we going back in time?
So that they can justify recycling stuff they've already done instead of coming up with something new.

Two types of answer to that:

1) It's not quite going back in time. We're going to an earlier version of Draenor in an alternate Universe (not the one we went to in TBC).
2) We're going back because everytime Blizzard come up with some genuinely new lore (as in MoP), people cry out for stuff from the original Warcraft series. To my mind, they're doing WoD because it's either that or keep resurrecting Arthas, Illidan et al ad infinitum with variations on '... was just a setback'.

[Viscera]

Gruul wasn't even difficult in TBC.

Quality. I take it you're talking about the nerfed version?

[khalltusk]

I like the idea of facing Gruul again.

Also we must remember the creatures Gruul came from are also here the mountain sized creatures that all Gronn and later Ogres came from. So frankly Gronn takes a step back in terms of how dangerous he is when you consider what else is about!

It does make sense for Gruul to be enslaved by this new Iron horde like many other Gronn (how exactly they are enslaved is a mystery for me!)

[IxilaFA]

Quality. I take it you're talking about the nerfed version?

Nope, I killed Gruul about a month after the expac came out, 2nd on my server. He was easy even then.

[Deleted]

Nope, I killed Gruul about a month after the expac came out, 2nd on my server. He was easy even then.

I'm sure you did that

[IxilaFA]

I'm sure you did that

Why is that hard to believe? Plenty of people did it. I can't really provide proof, so believe what you want. Just saying that from the first month of TBC I killed Gruul regularly with a number of different guilds and it was never a challenge for any of them. The amount of wipes it took to learn Gruul was nothing compared to fights like Vashj and Kael'thas.

[Deleted]

And why are we going back in time?
So that they can justify recycling stuff they've already done instead of coming up with something new.

I didn't realise they've already defeated the iron horde in the RTS games. I must've missed that in the game manuals.

[Deleted]

This just got me thinking.

How is a Gruul in the past stronger then he is in the present?

That logic.

Because in the present he's gotten older and a bit flabby and sometimes when he gets out of bed his joints creak a bit and he wakes up a bit too early and has his dinner at 4pm and doesn't like loud music and remembers the good old days when Black Dragons didn't come into the neighborhood and lower the property value.

[IxilaFA]

This just got me thinking.

How is a Gruul in the past stronger then he is in the present?

That logic.

He's not. Numbers and levels are just arbitrary gameplay mechanics. They are not representative of a character's strength, unless you believe the Stone Guards in Mogu'shan Vaults are stronger than the Lich King.

[Daez]

The real question is: 'Why did they make him easier than TBC Gruul?'

Seriously, this guy doesn't even knock people randomly around the room anymore before his shatter and the room is so big for 10m, it's super-easy to spread out and avoid dieing from anything.

I think it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to be easier than the TBC version. The only real way you could fail on that fight is your dps sucked or you were raiding with mouth breathers.

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They are using a boss that existed on pre-outland (Draenor) and Outland. Lorewise, it makes since that we would end up seeing him again.....because we are going to draenor.....in the past.......when he is not dead anymore.

People always want to blindly hate any and everything Blizzard does. If you have a problem with the mechanics of the fight sure. but it makes perfect since why we are fighting Gruul again seeing as how we are going in the past.

Its absolute laziness on their part. They have gotten very lazy for being the number one MMO company in the world. No wonder their subscriptions are dropping.

[Thirstblood]

Is it me or is this fight straight looks fucking boring?

[Drsolders]

sigfh they even recycle bc bosses as well... this is the most filler and uninspirational expansion ever. On the other hand bc was the best time so can't complain. 10/20 would buy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[Smitus]

Is it me or is this fight straight looks fucking boring?

you also have absolutely no idea whats going on from this video

[[Apok]]

Why is that hard to believe? Plenty of people did it. I can't really provide proof, so believe what you want. Just saying that from the first month of TBC I killed Gruul regularly with a number of different guilds and it was never a challenge for any of them. The amount of wipes it took to learn Gruul was nothing compared to fights like Vashj and Kael'thas.

World first was what 3 weeks after bc release?

Nihilum and d&t were pretty far ahead of everyone else in terms of progress back then aswell, Saying you wiped on winterchill would have been much more believable..

[Farabee]

Is it me or is this fight straight looks fucking boring?

Intro raid content is intro raid content. They can't make it as difficult or complex as anything in SoO because they plan on tons of new 90s using the boost feature leveling up through Draenor and this will literally be one of the first bosses they run up against when they hit 100. Plus, this is the fight on Heroic (today's Normal) difficulty. It's aimed at more casual guilds who want a slight step-up from Normal (today's Flex) difficulty. Think how much trouble you had killing Immerseus or Stone Guard.

Plus, you're going to be going in there with heroic dungeon gear if you're a hardcore raid. They have to make it somewhat easy on you, they need a point where they can say "OK this is the first boss of the instance, we can ramp up from this."

[Deleted]

What the fuck is wrong with the incinerate animation? Please don't tell me it's intended to be like that

[Pennoyer]

Intro raid content is intro raid content. They can't make it as difficult or complex as anything in SoO because they plan on tons of new 90s using the boost feature leveling up through Draenor and this will literally be one of the first bosses they run up against when they hit 100. Plus, this is the fight on Heroic (today's Normal) difficulty. It's aimed at more casual guilds who want a slight step-up from Normal (today's Flex) difficulty. Think how much trouble you had killing Immerseus or Stone Guard.

Plus, you're going to be going in there with heroic dungeon gear if you're a hardcore raid. They have to make it somewhat easy on you, they need a point where they can say "OK this is the first boss of the instance, we can ramp up from this."

Gruul is the first boss of Blackrock Foundry, not the entire tier. BRF is half a tier higher than Highmaul and is being unlocked a few weeks later.

That being said, there is a little more going on in this fight than meets the eye, but it's not a particularly robust encounter. It's a healer check, but they've said they're nerfing the damage he does.

[Farabee]

Gruul is the first boss of Blackrock Foundry, not the entire tier. BRF is half a tier higher than Highmaul and is being unlocked a few weeks later.

That being said, there is a little more going on in this fight than meets the eye, but it's not a particularly robust encounter. It's a healer check, but they've said they're nerfing the damage he does.

By that logic, Imperial Vizier Zorlok wasn't exactly a complex encounter either. It had maybe 3-4 major mechanics and a lot of raid movement.

It, too, was a healer check.