Our Melee getting outdpsed in Raids from Ranged?

[Deleted]

What is your experience?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

My dad is putting out 18k DPS sustained as a Ret and 20k+ as on burst and keeps getting kicked for "sub-optimal DPS." This was on heroic, with 651 gear.

Either most heroic raid leaders' idea of "optimal DPS" is 20k+ sustained or otherwise melee aren't doing too well I suppose.

[Glarolas]

I am 651 RET. I can pull 25-28k on butcher and burst over 50k.. your dad is doing something really wrong, send me a tell and I can give him some tips if he wants.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I am 651. I can pull 25-28k on butcher and burst over 50k.. your dad is doing something really wrong.

Noxxic, notorious for overestimated maximum DPS, says that 21k+ sustained is impossible ATM.

[Mistfall]

While there is a "hump" to get over, 20k sustained is pretty pedestrian once you've figured out the appropriate methodology to your spec. If you have LFR gear, you should always be above 20k.

[Teph]

Noxxic, notorious for overestimated maximum DPS, says that 21k+ sustained is impossible ATM.

You shouldn't look at 630 gear if you have 651.

[Splatter]

My dad is putting out 18k DPS sustained as a Ret and 20k+ as on burst and keeps getting kicked for "sub-optimal DPS." This was on heroic, with 651 gear.

Either most heroic raid leaders' idea of "optimal DPS" is 20k+ sustained or otherwise melee aren't doing too well I suppose.

Something very wrong there. As ret I burst up to 55k and settle around 25k on butcher. I am 660, so a little bit higher but still those numbers are terribly low and far too low for a pug a heroic. There is a nice ret guide on these forums which might be worth directing him too. Also get a scabbard /drool.

[Glarolas]

Yeah, I mention id give tips and instead of thanking me you call me a liar. Tell your dad to enjoy getting kicked, id kick any RET under 22k sustained at 650+

[Bluey111]

Noxxic, notorious for overestimated maximum DPS, says that 21k+ sustained is impossible ATM.

Err, wrong gear level bud.

[Semune]

My dad is putting out 18k DPS sustained as a Ret and 20k+ as on burst and keeps getting kicked for "sub-optimal DPS." This was on heroic, with 651 gear.

Either most heroic raid leaders' idea of "optimal DPS" is 20k+ sustained or otherwise melee aren't doing too well I suppose.

I play a prot pally, ret offspec, 638 ilevel ret (653 prot) and I pull 20k sustained with a 1 button macro using gnome sequencer.

I literally spam one button and use wings whenever appropriate and pull as much as your dad with 638 ilevel.

Granted, 1 button macros do 95% of simmed DPS for ret, he should be doing more.

[Deleted]

Can someone tell me how come I am not able to pull over 20k?

My Gear
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...bysound/simple

I am trying my best but my max is 17-18k and slowly dropping down to 15-16k when I am under pressure and need to heal or move away.

[Semune]

Can someone tell me how come I am not able to pull over 20k?

My Gear
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...bysound/simple

I am trying my best but my max is 17-18k and slowly dropping down to 15-16k when I am under pressure and need to heal or move away.

The first 2 pieces of gear I even looked at threw up immediate red flags.

http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/frost-d...stics-priority

Crit and haste are your 2 worst stats. Yet the first 2 pieces I looked at of yours have -just- crit and haste.

In fact, now that I look at the rest of your gear, you really -really- need to get into heroics and better optimize your stats.

EDIT - Just as a bonus, I'd also suggest looking at the overall Icy-Veins guide - http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/frost-d...-pve-dps-guide

There are a lot of problems but it seems like you may be new to the game, reading up a little bit on those who theorycrafted will do you heaps of good.

P.S. - Why the bonus armor ring? O_O

[Deleted]

The first 2 pieces of gear I even looked at threw up immediate red flags.

http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/frost-d...stics-priority

Crit and haste are your 2 worst stats. Yet the first 2 pieces I looked at of yours have -just- crit and haste.

In fact, now that I look at the rest of your gear, you really -really- need to get into heroics and better optimize your stats.

This is the gear I have looted so far though (there was a thread about 2H Stats priority so I know what you mean). I only started raiding 3 weeks ago and two weeks I have done with the guild. This week only need to do IMP.

Edit: Can I macro three skills into one?

[Airwaves]

My dad is putting out 18k DPS sustained as a Ret and 20k+ as on burst and keeps getting kicked for "sub-optimal DPS." This was on heroic, with 651 gear.

Either most heroic raid leaders' idea of "optimal DPS" is 20k+ sustained or otherwise melee aren't doing too well I suppose.

I can do a sustained 20-22k dps in LFR gear. Anyone geared higher should atleast be able to.

[Semune]

This is the gear I have looted so far though (there was a thread about 2H Stats priority so I know what you mean). I only started raiding 3 weeks ago and two weeks I have done with the guild. This week only need to do IMP.

I started raiding 3 weeks ago as well, it didn't stop me from optimizing my gear properly through a little bit of reading and running heroic dungeons for proper gear (in my case, Mastery gear and preferably Bonus Armor).

[Deleted]

I started raiding 3 weeks ago as well, it didn't stop me from optimizing my gear properly through a little bit of reading and running heroic dungeons for proper gear (in my case, Mastery gear and preferably Bonus Armor).

Oh he meant heroic dungeons. I guess I can go back into them and change some pieces to have it as optimal as possible.

I think I have DE some pieces by mistake

[Semune]

Edit: Can I macro three skills into one?

Google Gnome Sequencer.

You have to do a little bit of work to get it going, but I use it when I play Ret and it works wonders, I just spam 1 button and pull 95% of simmed DPS. Not sure about using it on Frost DKs.

You used to be able to /castsequence but Blizz broke that.

[Deleted]

Google Gnome Sequencer.

You have to do a little bit of work to get it going, but I use it when I play Ret and it works wonders, I just spam 1 button and pull 95% of simmed DPS. Not sure about using it on Frost DKs.

You used to be able to /castsequence but Blizz broke that.

Will do. I just wanted to put Frost/Plague/Blood Tap into one. I forgot I had Plague Strike all this time (don't troll me ).

By the way is it true that Frost and Blood dots deal more damage than Necrotic Plague?

Edit: The good news is that I forgot to replace my weapon (had 660 conquest) and chest (same). God I am such a noob.

[Semune]

Will do. I just wanted to put Frost/Plague/Blood Tap into one. I forgot I had Plague Strike all this time (don't troll me ).

By the way is it true that Frost and Blood dots deal more damage than Necrotic Plague?

Edit: The good news is that I forgot to replace my weapon (had 660 conquest) and chest (same). God I am such a noob.

I don't know much about DKs and don't really care about them to by honest.

I'm sure you can find all you need in the DK forums here though.

[cFortyfive]

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