Anders Brevik is suing over the conditions of his already-luxurious prison cell

[TwistedSkull]

I have read enough about this.

24/7 Isolation with no contact to other people ever is against human rights. No matter what you did, you are still a human being with rights.

And he has the right to sue.

I kind of agree with this.

[BuckSparkles]

here i agree with you bucksparkles.

it's not like don't get along in other areas.

Draenei belong in cells.

And tight restraints.

[Gib Lover]

Maybe over there.

Here it is a "You fcked up. Now pay the price of your wrong doings."

Prison in the US is objectively for reform. How well we do that is another story.

[breadisfunny]

Both have merits, one is for revenge the other for atonement.

both are for atonement. when you commit a crime you are punished according to the law.

[Jotaux]

I am swedish, fyi. But i still feel that we're too soft on some prisoners. I read today that two men got deported after raping a 12 year old immigrant boy. Why is it that no immigrants that rape women get deported? We'll never find out.

Well the two men who were deported would have to be immigrants themselves right? Since you can't deport citizens.

[BuckSparkles]

Totally. Society immigration hurts his feelings so he goes out and murders people. Then the victim's families feelings are hurt by that, so we murder him. But then maybe his family / followers feelings get hurt, so we should probably murder someone else. And who's that going to upset? Let's just cut the middle man and murder EVERYONE because killing people is GREAT!

After all, if killing other humans wasn't so fantastic, we'd never have discovered it all those millions of years ago when we were living in caves. And hey, if people are going back to shit like paleo diets and rejecting modern medicine like vaccinations, then we may as well just go back to slaughtering each other over anything and everything. We're already basically half way there in some countries, stoning people for this and that and pushing the gays off hotel roofs so IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND, right fellow humans?!

Jesus fucking christ...

Bunch of animals, seriously.

Can you let me know how big your bubble is that you live in is?

[JohnBrown1917]

So when they put him in with others for social interaction and someone laces his ass then what will you say?

Keep them in PC= Torture

Put them with others and they get assaulted = Torture

Can't win either way, so just leave his ass in solitary its less paper work.

You can win by not keeping him in solitary.

[Annoying]

Because vicious murderers have feelings too. That is more important than all the families and friends of the murdered folks.

feelings rights*. And by Norwegian laws, they can't do anything else with him, as they don't have a death penalty.

Maybe over there.

Here it is a "You fcked up. Now pay the price of your wrong doings."

Well, you're right in that's what actually happens here. As for what's supposed to happen...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Moadar]

You can win by not keeping him in solitary.

Protective custody is almost always solitary. It is the safest place to be in prison.

[Deleted]

Well the two men who were deported would have to be immigrants themselves right? Since you can't deport citizens.

Yes all three lived in the same "home for immigrants". There were some criticism as to why a 12 year old boy was living together with much older immigrants. The strange thing is this was a major story on one of our biggest newspapers. We rarely see rapes as headlines.

[JohnBrown1917]

Because vicious murderers have feelings too. That is more important than all the families and friends of the murdered folks.

Or maybe because some countries do not have the DP, but that'd be crazy, rigth?

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Yes yes...we get it. The mass-murderer has feelings too.

This is unrelated to feelings, nice try.
I know you'd love to give guards and the justice system more power, but not all of us want that.

[Radaney]

Wow I'm so glad this article was created to remind me he exists instead of him totally fading into nobodyness. Can't let a good murderer go to waste can you, press.

[JohnBrown1917]

Protective custody is almost always solitary. It is the safest place to be in prison.

Maybe if he was in it by choice.

[Moadar]

Maybe if he was in it by choice.

He doesn't get a choice that would lead to his own harm. The system is obligated to his protection.

[Deleted]

For selfish reasons, wouldn't you want prisons to be as nice as possible?

Sure, the chance that you will go to prison is pretty small, but crimes of passion can happen to the best of us, or you might find yourself in a self defense situation and the law disagrees, etc. Shit can happen.

On the other hand, what criminals actually do in prison doesn't affect my day at all. Even if i were to obsess over prisoners suffering in prison, it's still all indirect, since your typical prison doesn't let the public come watch the freak show.

[ranzino]

Since it could find its way there: are there any previous cases of solitary confinement ruled by European Court on Human Rights ?

[Deleted]

I am sure he's not a danger to anyone, so maybe you should take him home with you.. I'd be okay with that.

Being that I'm neither colored nor socialist he probably wouldn't be much of a danger to me. I still think he should be locked up for his crimes though. I'm just saying that the US prison system is hardly a role model for what prisons should be if you're looking to have the most harmonious society possible. I'm happier with less people in prison and less victims of crime than more people in prison and more victims of crime.

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I disagree. While, for people that are expected to be released from prison at one point, rehabilitation is more important than punishment, once you're expected to be there for life for actions such as the one Brevik did the rehabilitation aspect disappears.

So, since these people have proven that they can't be and won't be rehabilitated, there is one question left. What purpose do they still serve? To society? To anyone really?
Well, normally I'd wager that they're kept alive due to the fact that there could still be charged wrongly. And that is ok. However, this guy was not charged wrongly, he was seen on cameras, he admitted to doing it, ample evidence was found.

So, there is no doubt that he's a mass murderer and that rehabilitation is out of the question.

Now, from my point of view, now we come to another thing, what makes us humans better than animals? Why, it's free thought and the ability to tell right from wrong! But certain elements of society, like mass murderers, can't tell right from wrong. And while you could say that they still have free thought, they still acted against the law, killing other human beings, knowing that what they did was wrong. When a tiger meets someone in a jungle and kills them, it can't understand if what he did is wrong, it only does it based on instinct, if it's hungry or feels his territory is threatened, he will kill you, if not, no.

So, from this point of view, I could consider that tiger better than mass murderers. Why? Well, because mass murderers kill knowing the full consequences of their actions, knowing that what they do is wrong, not because they can't control themselves, but on the contrary.

And what do we do with animals? Well, we cage them, we kill them. And since I have reached the conclusion that animals are above mass murderers... why would mass murderers deserve rights above animals?

And usually I know that someone comes with the same argument "but it's a human being!" so let's do it another way. You're in a room with an endangered siberian tiger and Adolf Hitler. You know you will be saved after a period of time, but if you, Hitler and the tiger don't eat before that, you will all die. You have the choice, kill the endangered siberian tiger and eat it with Hitler or kill Hitler and eat him with the tiger. Would you put any importance to Hitler's "human" rights? Because if you say no, and would kill him, you've already proven that you don't mind killing mass murderers, the question is only how much crime must they have done to deserve death. And if you say that you'd kill the tiger, it means that you'd rather save a mass murderer rather than an animal that had done nothing wrong and is facing extinction, otherwise said, you'd save a criminal rather than the patrimony of our planet.

Would probably kill and eat the tiger. Cannibalism isn't my thing and the tiger is much more likely to maul me after Hitler dies than Hitler is to maul me after the tiger dies. Though I imagine Hitler and the Tiger would collaborate and I'd be the one eaten in the end.

As an aside, your morality is entirely subjective and not objectively quantifiable nor valid. Lots of animals kill for sport/fun and don't eat what they kill. There have also been plenty of mass-murderers or genocidal people who have been praised through history as great conquerors instead. Heck, American troops will likely have seemed like murderers to the Iraqi people, especially knowing videos have surfaced of american gunships killing fucking children in the streets.

[Deleted]

Put a bullet in his head.

[Deleted]

I am swedish, fyi. But i still feel that we're too soft on some prisoners. I read today that two men got deported after raping a 12 year old immigrant boy. Why is it that no immigrants that rape women get deported? We'll never find out.

Don't get me wrong, Sweden has some definitive issues with their legal system, a glaring one being the inability to handle youth criminals who aren't socially established and don't have much, if anything, to lose from the sentences that we currently have available. The way deportation is handled when commiting violent crimes is another one that some people take issue with. I don't think the mass-incarceration prison industrial complex of the US is the way to remedy that though.

[Aggrophobic]

I think a lot of people have a (morbid) curiosity in regards to what drives murderers. There's a lot of series on TV trying to give insights into the minds of killers for example. I can imagine that picking Anders's brain would also be very interesting to a lot of people.

I also think a lot of people are quite ok with what he did, unfortunately.
It's going to be "intresting" to see what happens when or if he gets out.