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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Won't happen really. Peoples memory is so fucking retarded everyone hates cata when most loved cata until hit DS but even DS patch brought transmog and only lasted EIGHT months as a finale patch.

    People bitch about everything. Confuse the past and remember what they want mostly by mob mentality.

    Not even surprised anymore
    I loved Cataclysm, including Dragon Soul. To be completely honest, WotLK and Cata were my two favorite expansions, both basically equal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thereaperszone View Post
    There were more people that never stepped into naxx then did when wrath launched I cleared to kt before bc was released and not many ran it then. and no not every spec is so reworked it will be 100% new. You are bitching about people who have a right to say what they want about something they pay for gl with that you are just as toxic as the people you are crying about have a nice night im out
    NAXX WAS CLEARED ON WEEKENDS BY NON RAIDERS.

    IT WOULD OF BEEN SOLOABLE IN WRATH

    1% saw it is a cop out excuse for being lazy as fuck and copy and pasting the expansion LAUNCH raid tier.

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    As a matter of fact, the only expansion I actually truly disliked was MoP. I thought it was horrid. Everything else, including WoD, kept me entertained and provided a place for me to have lots of fun with my guild mates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphism View Post
    I loved Cataclysm, including Dragon Soul. To be completely honest, WotLK and Cata were my two favorite expansions, both basically equal to me.
    T11 is hands down my favorite raid tier to ever happen.

    Cata world revamp was one of the most exciting times in WoW history during beta

    T11 Dungeons were some of the most delightful experiences in 5 mans and tuning since TBC HoT-Heroics sucked fucking balls

    Firelands patch. If anyone hated firelands and it's patch content they don't like WoW period.

    Then Patch 4.3 happened and the entitlement flood gates opened. And here is the sad fucking state we are in today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphism View Post
    As a matter of fact, the only expansion I actually truly disliked was MoP. I thought it was horrid. Everything else, including WoD, kept me entertained and provided a place for me to have lots of fun with my guild mates.
    MoP was good in content. But holy fuck the forced dallies for tokens to buy coins until 5.3

    BATTLEFIELD FUCKING BARRENS

    LOL

    Hey guys 6.1 is bad. Here are two worse patches. Battlefield fucking Barrens and Patch 2.2
    Hell I could say 4.1 People wouldn't shut the fuck up about Zul'aman and ZG 5 mans despite them actually being really good.

    OH HEY

    WAIT

    CASE AND POINT
    Only 1% saw Naxx. OKAY
    Well honestly I doubt more then 1% saw ZA to completion either considering is was mid tier 5 and people were lucky if they were able to go anywhere beyond kara.

    What happened in Cata with 4.1 OMFG BLIZZARD IS LAZY AS FUCK WHAAA WHAAAA WHAAAA. After they just revamped the whole fucking world and launched the one of the most diverse and larger raid tiers in the history of the game.

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    While a year long content drought is a hard thing to swallow, it depends on where you sit as a player. For someone who has always been casually playing for an hour or two a week, if not an hour a day, and started around Warlords launch fresh, no toons, they're likely hitting that barrier now. For players who have always been at the forefront of content, that amount of content given is a decent amount, enough to get them to invest for a little while, but whether or not it was rushed development or lack of content ideas and manpower for Warlords, it's obvious Warlords failed in some regard. (And no, throwing more money and developers at a game does not make it go faster. Have to train people on the code work, on the game engine, test them on design capability, see what they can do, create more management jobs for EXISTING staff to manage new people, and they still have to bug fix and work all the same, and the management alone takes a lot of time into it. Whether it was players demanding more content faster and blizz conceding, or blizzard rushing it so they have a way for Legion to go, it doesn't matter right now.)

    That said, people look at the past either with rose-tinted glasses or absolute disdain. "Wrath was the best!" It had kept the most subs, yes, but the story dealt with the main character (arguably) from Warcraft 3, which a lot of that generation heard or played. It had a new class (first for the game), it had story and zone content that made more sense than Burning Crusade's, it had good raids, but there was a lot wrong. Ulduar cut short by ToC, complaints of class balance (For a while when weren't DKs OP there?), and such. "Cataclysm was the worst! Bad endgame, no content!!1!11!" Cataclysm's majority of it's content was in revamping the 1-60 experience entirely, including making two new races available, while still delivering a number of 80-85 leveling zones, multiple raids, dungeons, battlegrounds, and arenas that kept people engaged. The issue is not with WoD being so shit (the raiding is really nice, visuals too), but with the lack of content and the fact people expect more. If you want content on a rapid basis, pick up roleplaying in game (It's not erotic, seriously. It's just like writing a story, but making it interactive with other people.), and make the content yourself. Or, try another game. Start a new character, fresh, with 0 support from your other toons if possible. Try the other faction. Year long drought bothering you? Please, feel free to go play other games.

    tl;dr : Droughts suck. Happened for one reason or another. WoW is not a basic right or need for sustenance and basic life. If you are not happy with how it is going or the lack of content, go play something else. Guild Wars 2 is pretty fun. Black Desert Online seems really nice if you have a higher end PC. Try FF14. Go outside. Something other than complain about something you seem to hate so much and have little say in controlling when on a fan-hosted news site forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    T11 is hands down my favorite raid tier to ever happen.

    Cata world revamp was one of the most exciting times in WoW history during beta

    T11 Dungeons were some of the most delightful experiences in 5 mans and tuning since TBC HoT-Heroics sucked fucking balls

    Firelands patch. If anyone hated firelands and it's patch content they don't like WoW period.

    Then Patch 4.3 happened and the entitlement flood gates opened. And here is the sad fucking state we are in today.
    Firelands and Dragonsoul are where my guild & raid team hit its peak (nothing amazing, not bragging or anything by any means). We had some awesome people that were great players and I've never had more fun. It definitely had to be a combo of that and the content that makes it so memorable for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    T11 is hands down my favorite raid tier to ever happen.

    Cata world revamp was one of the most exciting times in WoW history during beta

    T11 Dungeons were some of the most delightful experiences in 5 mans and tuning since TBC HoT-Heroics sucked fucking balls

    Firelands patch. If anyone hated firelands and it's patch content they don't like WoW period.

    Then Patch 4.3 happened and the entitlement flood gates opened. And here is the sad fucking state we are in today.

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    MoP was good in content. But holy fuck the forced dallies for tokens to buy coins until 5.3

    BATTLEFIELD FUCKING BARRENS

    LOL

    Hey guys 6.1 is bad. Here are two worse patches. Battlefield fucking Barrens and Patch 2.2
    Hell I could say 4.1 People wouldn't shut the fuck up about Zul'aman and ZG 5 mans despite them actually being really good.

    OH HEY

    WAIT

    CASE AND POINT
    Only 1% saw Naxx. OKAY
    Well honestly I doubt more then 1% saw ZA to completion either considering is was mid tier 5 and people were lucky if they were able to go anywhere beyond kara.

    What happened in Cata with 4.1 OMFG BLIZZARD IS LAZY AS FUCK WHAAA WHAAAA WHAAAA. After they just revamped the whole fucking world and launched the one of the most diverse and larger raid tiers in the history of the game.
    MoP was nice up until the last two patches (First one was Barrens uugghghghghghhg, second was way too long raid period, even if a nice raid.). Cataclysm was really nice going through it fresh 1-85 on a few toons. Kept me busy most of the expansion. 6.1 was bad, but even the developers said it was a mistake to label it a major patch, when it was more a 6.0.8. The more people claim Blizzard is being lazy, and to do better, well, go look at Legion so far. Dungeons look awesome. I like the class spec redesigns and refinements. I like Demon Hunter so far. The raid bosses? Look nice. Lore? Looks nice. Would I have wanted more battlegrounds? Absolutely, but 2 new arenas and 5 or 6 months away from the game and old BGs will feel like new to me again, especially with the spec redesigns. (AB with a few Outlaw rogues using the cannon barrage talent... visually amazing.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphism View Post
    Firelands and Dragonsoul are where my guild & raid team hit its peak (nothing amazing, not bragging or anything by any means). We had some awesome people that were great players and I've never had more fun. It definitely had to be a combo of that and the content that makes it so memorable for me.
    That was my guild during initial raids in Warlords, and from Throne of Thunder in Mists to Seige. People got busy with real life, got back, and got sad at the lack of PvP quality, and left again. Raid team died there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjoramier of Lordaeron View Post
    Because when you invest time and you love the story and you have stuff to do like farm mounts and transmog or achievements AND wow is essentially F2P for most... there is no reason to unsub
    Can't call that content tho, more like a thing people do when they're bored. Like collecting all battle pets, lvling 10 alts to 100, iron man challenge..
    Whats up with people hoarding xmog gear and filling literally all their bags? Not like they will actually use all of it lol. Clear sign of nothing better to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazefrost View Post
    That was my guild during initial raids in Warlords, and from Throne of Thunder in Mists to Seige. People got busy with real life, got back, and got sad at the lack of PvP quality, and left again. Raid team died there.
    Yeah that was one of my biggest regrets, was taking a break from the game. It's hard to build back up after that, which my Co-GM and I found out the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazefrost View Post
    While a year long content drought is a hard thing to swallow, it depends on where you sit as a player. For someone who has always been casually playing for an hour or two a week, if not an hour a day, and started around Warlords launch fresh, no toons, they're likely hitting that barrier now. For players who have always been at the forefront of content, that amount of content given is a decent amount, enough to get them to invest for a little while, but whether or not it was rushed development or lack of content ideas and manpower for Warlords, it's obvious Warlords failed in some regard. (And no, throwing more money and developers at a game does not make it go faster. Have to train people on the code work, on the game engine, test them on design capability, see what they can do, create more management jobs for EXISTING staff to manage new people, and they still have to bug fix and work all the same, and the management alone takes a lot of time into it. Whether it was players demanding more content faster and blizz conceding, or blizzard rushing it so they have a way for Legion to go, it doesn't matter right now.)

    That said, people look at the past either with rose-tinted glasses or absolute disdain. "Wrath was the best!" It had kept the most subs, yes, but the story dealt with the main character (arguably) from Warcraft 3, which a lot of that generation heard or played. It had a new class (first for the game), it had story and zone content that made more sense than Burning Crusade's, it had good raids, but there was a lot wrong. Ulduar cut short by ToC, complaints of class balance (For a while when weren't DKs OP there?), and such. "Cataclysm was the worst! Bad endgame, no content!!1!11!" Cataclysm's majority of it's content was in revamping the 1-60 experience entirely, including making two new races available, while still delivering a number of 80-85 leveling zones, multiple raids, dungeons, battlegrounds, and arenas that kept people engaged. The issue is not with WoD being so shit (the raiding is really nice, visuals too), but with the lack of content and the fact people expect more. If you want content on a rapid basis, pick up roleplaying in game (It's not erotic, seriously. It's just like writing a story, but making it interactive with other people.), and make the content yourself. Or, try another game. Start a new character, fresh, with 0 support from your other toons if possible. Try the other faction. Year long drought bothering you? Please, feel free to go play other games.

    tl;dr : Droughts suck. Happened for one reason or another. WoW is not a basic right or need for sustenance and basic life. If you are not happy with how it is going or the lack of content, go play something else. Guild Wars 2 is pretty fun. Black Desert Online seems really nice if you have a higher end PC. Try FF14. Go outside. Something other than complain about something you seem to hate so much and have little say in controlling when on a fan-hosted news site forum.
    Yay someone non hostile said things for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demos89 View Post
    Can't call that content tho, more like a thing people do when they're bored. Like collecting all battle pets, lvling 10 alts to 100, iron man challenge..
    Whats up with people hoarding xmog gear and filling literally all their bags? Not like they will actually use all of it lol. Clear sign of nothing better to do.
    it's content

    I was going to comment further but I saw you were questioning why people would hold vanity items.

    Yeah how dare people keep things for vanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazefrost View Post
    MoP was nice up until the last two patches (First one was Barrens uugghghghghghhg, second was way too long raid period, even if a nice raid.). Cataclysm was really nice going through it fresh 1-85 on a few toons. Kept me busy most of the expansion. 6.1 was bad, but even the developers said it was a mistake to label it a major patch, when it was more a 6.0.8. The more people claim Blizzard is being lazy, and to do better, well, go look at Legion so far. Dungeons look awesome. I like the class spec redesigns and refinements. I like Demon Hunter so far. The raid bosses? Look nice. Lore? Looks nice. Would I have wanted more battlegrounds? Absolutely, but 2 new arenas and 5 or 6 months away from the game and old BGs will feel like new to me again, especially with the spec redesigns. (AB with a few Outlaw rogues using the cannon barrage talent... visually amazing.).
    Despite the content of Legion sounding like the Best thing since Cata Beta. It unlikely I will even venture into it.

    And the reason is simple and it's an untold reason people who dont have some hateful agenda or trying to justify their addiction with developer bashing.

    The reason is that I stopped "feeling it" in WoD despite frankly top notch raids. I was just done. I drug myself through T17 and it was I limped into T18 saying I got this to GM and one week in I'm just like. I'm done.

    The Tanann quests asked too much of me,
    A fucking shipyard grind for someone who only has 4-5 hours in an entire day to play makes for a SLOW grind when your donig 1 mission a day.
    Split raid locks meaning I get to see the bosses twice as much OH BOY,
    Removal of gear customization and reliance on RNG for having a single hint of customization,
    and a streak of the worst luck in a decade where I literally didn't see a single raid trinket that wasn't cached or coined drop for OUR ENTIRE STR roster in literally 6 months of BRF making personal performance dunk the deeper we went.

    Genuine issues with the game. Still fun game. but I'm so fucking over MMOs in general now. The time commitment and nagging feeling to log on being gone is pure bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Genuine issues with the game. Still fun game. but I'm so fucking over MMOs in general now. The time commitment and nagging feeling to log on being gone is pure bliss.
    What are you doing instead, as far as gaming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphism View Post
    What are you doing instead, as far as gaming?
    RTS games and escorts

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    RTS games and escorts
    I found myself going back and playing games I played when I was young(er) while I wait for Legion.

    For example: I'm currently playing Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on an emulator (I can't find my N64).
    A friend also convinced me to screw around in SWTOR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    ??????

    Legion alone is 34 Class spec overhauls literaly from the groud up Not counting DH

    THREE spec trees per SPEC

    Class tuning doesn't get compounded? I hope you understand tuning the expansion after Legion is going to be highly intensive taking all these LEGION alterations in mind.

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    You mean a raid people were clearing every weekend during TBC for costume gear in complete random pugs?

    Yeah exactly. don't give me that stupid shit

    Maybe we should relaunch sunwell as the First tier of Legion as the only raid.

    Oh the uproars of lazy and people bitching.

    If the WotLK expansion came out today with this fucking playerbase. People would bitch ENDLESSLY about Azjol being cut. They would bitch ENDLESSLY and crucify Blizzard for Naxx, The would bitch ENDLESSLY for only having hodir dallies outside raids, They would bitch endlessly about ToC, They would bitch endlessly about a year of ICC.

    And then you know what? would happen? The expansion will be thought fondly of or even called golden age of years after it's gone when during it's current gen is was OMFG KILLING GAME.
    We were actually excited to get to raid Naxxramas again, however that wasn't Naxxramas. It was an LFR version of the raid. It took us the night of release to clear it in 10 man, and 1 save to clear it in 25 man.

    My circles that have been playing WoW since 2005 believe WotLK to be the beginning to the decline of the game. Catering to too many different types of players and not steering the game in a certain direction just to inflate sub numbers. The casualization of a game that was already casualized, making similar amounts of content but with less difficulty and needed dedication which ultimately created WoD's "finish all in a week".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axphism View Post
    I found myself going back and playing games I played when I was young(er) while I wait for Legion.

    For example: I'm currently playing Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on an emulator (I can't find my N64).
    A friend also convinced me to screw around in SWTOR.
    All I do is play old games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    And no matter what you'll play it.

    Shitty game
    No, dear, I won't. Cross that soundbite off your list, it's stupid and untrue.

    I am not playing WoW now, and they'd have to pull a miracle to get me back in Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Legion alone is 34 Class spec overhauls literaly from the groud up Not counting DH
    LOL

    Who cares? They are doing these "revamps" and "complete overhauls" all the time. They will do one after Legion, too, and they will say that what they did in Legion was wrong and worked terribly (and so they need to re-re-re-re-reoverhaul it all over again). They always do this.

    Where's content, eh? Right, they renamed legendaries to artifacts. So good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allenseiei View Post
    We were actually excited to get to raid Naxxramas again, however that wasn't Naxxramas. It was an LFR version of the raid. It took us the night of release to clear it in 10 man, and 1 save to clear it in 25 man.

    My circles that have been playing WoW since 2005 believe WotLK to be the beginning to the decline of the game. Catering to too many different types of players and not steering the game in a certain direction just to inflate sub numbers. The casualization of a game that was already casualized, making similar amounts of content but with less difficulty and needed dedication which ultimately created WoD's "finish all in a week".
    It was the decline.

    Going from the FINISHED TBC story with bonus raids <ZA> and then u had Sunwells buster fights and Quel Danis and the wide variance of daily hubs for COSTMETICS. To be met with Wraths Dungeon tabard grind your reps in faceroll content and do your fucking hodir dallies because u need that shoulder enchant for 3D Sarth 10/25. The ONLY fight they made for the core raiders in the game. Course Naxx had praise though. All the Kara bottom feeders could do it. THen they got punched in the face by Yogg Saron.

    But it's ok they Had ToC ONE BOSS A WEEK UNLOCKS and ICC FOUR MONTHS for Frost Wing and LK to unlock. But hey a year of stacking nerfs everyone is a winner YAY WE ARE RAIDERS. OMG here comes Cata to put everyone back in their rightful place game is too hard.

    But don't worry Ulduar is the golden child of WoW. Despite having what 3-4 good fights which is generally the average per tier.

    Rose tinted glasses for content that only lasted 4 months. Made obsolete ONE MONTH after the world first Yogg0 kill
    April 14th-August 9th FOUR months.


    is that pretty much how y'all view it?
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    The movie is coming, Blizz think they'll bring players back after watching the movie so having more new content then is a better idea.
    basically fuck current players because if your still playing everyday nothing they do will make you leave.
    Dragonflight Nerfs vs fun again show a Blizzard that hasn't learnt a lesson, Actions speak louder than words afterall watch what they do and do not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Well, people seem to consider that only raids are content, so the question should really be

    " Any other MMO having a year+ long RAID content drought would be considered "Dead" - why do WoW players accept it?"
    Well let's be honest, WoD didn't really have any other content besides the raids. 6.1 brought selfies and only thing in 6.2 besides HFC was Tanaan, which failed in imitating Timeless Isle.

    PvP is different beast. It doesn't need new content per se, since the meat of the gameplay comes from playing againts other players, the arena could be a round flat room. Hell people still play Quake and de_dust is still the most popular map in CS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Now we look at other MMOs and wonder: do they bring out large sized patches including raids at a faster pace?
    Just for perspective:

    HS gets updates several times per year. MOBAs get constant updates. If you are looking for something that is almost like WoW, look at GW2, they get constant updates as well.

    That's what we expect in 2016, constant updates, *especially* for a game with a sub.

    Yes, I get that HS is different from WoW. No, it is NOT harder to update WoW than HS. Updates with things like Isle of Thunder can be coming *constantly*. Updates with things on the level of new profession recipes / collectibles / new fish / new chests / new events based on instance X or zone Y / etc, etc, etc, etc, can be coming *weekly*, they can be coming so fast that people will object to that and beg Blizzard to slow down.

    Blizzard aren't doing that for WoW, because, well, because they do things differently. Their different way of doing things is failing spectacularly.

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