Any other MMO having a year+ long content drought would be considered "Dead"

[Ehrenpanzer]

Which is a problem to community caused by clamoring HURRY UP HURRY UP. New expansions fasters!

Just so happens Legion is being produced at a breakneck pace considing the amount of overhauling and new systems being designed for it. Having to not make 1 new class but 12 and Three talent trees per SPEC. Not class SPEC

But then tell me a game that has a long history MMO devlopment and quality content like Blizzard.

Blizzard has always taken time to develop a quality product it's been like this since their last generation of games.

Dunno what game YOU play, but it's clearly not the same as everyone else.

1) Players say "hurry up" because Blizzard has ZERO concept of pacing, I highly doubt they even know that word exists and simply do 2 four month raids and then a yearlong one because they are incapable of thinking any other way.
2) Diablo 3 will have a word with you about their "quality launches".
3) I'm not sure how exactly 3-4 YEARS constitutes a "breakneck" pace.
4) Yay for them doing what they should have done 10 years ago and made separate PVE and PVP trees? It's only been told to them over and over and over as the major reason they have so much balance issue and tuning problems (that and arena...stupidest thing shoehorned into this game ever..well, Pokemon is worse I guess, but Pokemon does not affect class balance)
5) When you launch an expansion that has neither quality, nor quantity, despite coming off ANOTHER expansion with a year-long end tier, you cant really act shocked when your fan base revolts (see: 5M subs gone in 6 months)

[Tent27]

This logic is really annoying to me. There is always more to do in EVERY aspect of life, gaming, work, school, EVERYTHING. There is always more to do. Saying that there is more to do in WoW so people should go do it is the dumbest thing ever. I haven't walked every single inch of every map in WoW yet! Well, I better get to work cause that is something to do right?! I haven't deleted all my characters either and started over! Well, there is something more to do. I haven't paid $2000 for a collectors edition of vanilla yet to get 1 pet! Well, there is something more to do!

See how dumb all of that sounds? Yes, it is something to do, but that doesn't make it worth a crap to do. That is what people have problems with, worth a crap things to do.

I could collect every pet in the game, but who the fuck cares. Does it work for some people, sure, but saying that collecting pets is what should keep people "happy" in year long content droughts is dumb as hell.

But are you mythic cleared on every class? Then you still have content! /sarcasm

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Quality over Quantity.

selfie patch, delayed launch zone, and no new dungeons lol

[Deficineiron]

Dunno what game YOU play, but it's clearly not the same as everyone else.

1) Players say "hurry up" because Blizzard has ZERO concept of pacing, I highly doubt they even know that word exists and simply do 2 four month raids and then a yearlong one because they are incapable of thinking any other way.
2) Diablo 3 will have a word with you about their "quality launches".
3) I'm not sure how exactly 3-4 YEARS constitutes a "breakneck" pace.
4) Yay for them doing what they should have done 10 years ago and made separate PVE and PVP trees? It's only been told to them over and over and over as the major reason they have so much balance issue and tuning problems (that and arena...stupidest thing shoehorned into this game ever..well, Pokemon is worse I guess, but Pokemon does not affect class balance)
5) When you launch an expansion that has neither quality, nor quantity, despite coming off ANOTHER expansion with a year-long end tier, you cant really act shocked when your fan base revolts (see: 5M subs gone in 6 months)

first place I say 'gogogo' was npc speech in one of them cataclysm dungeons. then in the bastardized scholomance funhouse the talking skull could be paraphrased as gogogo too.

[Ehrenpanzer]

you are just a cynic. blizzard is working hard to not have another one-year drought. the first was was because icc, the second was one cuz new world revamp, the 3rd one was because something, and this one is because biggest team ever. please stop with the blizzard hate. they already said they made a mistake and don't want another one year drought.

no drought in classic and bc was because wow team was small so content was easy and they artifically gated those anyway with bogus tuning and no lfr and only ~5 month drought. now that blizzard is big team content is harder and they can only make less.

you folks should be grateful you got 2 tiers in wod cuz bigger team makes content harder and you get less. everyone knows that.

1) and we totally believe them this time....also, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell you
2) You clearly have no idea about anything you are yammering about

[Deficineiron]

1) and we totally believe them this time....also, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell you
2) You clearly have no idea about anything you are yammering about

i think if you cannot argue both sides of an issue, you don't understand the issue.

Also, I saw that bridge and you sold it already and someone is taking it down so we need to work out a price based on what is left of it.

You are missing a point. Talkig about it makes annoyed customers feel like their gripes may be addressed, which postpones the full emotional separation from wow for them. Before it was faster expansions, then it was biggest team ever, etc. They trot these names out every 2 years during the drought.

the fact folks are actually paying attention to what they are saying at this point, on the fourth 1-year drought, says it all. I look at it more as a bi-annual comedy routine. Blizzard does more of what they said they didnt want to do, but says they feel bad or they messed up or biggest team ever and some folks rationalize into 'it will get better next time.'

[Ehrenpanzer]

first place I say 'gogogo' was npc speech in one of them cataclysm dungeons. then in the bastardized scholomance funhouse the talking skull could be paraphrased as gogogo too.

I dont think we're having the same conversation...then again, I dont think you are having the same conversation as most people in here

[hulkgor]

The point of paying a subscription is for continued development.... A decent patch every 3 months would be adequate, some larger then others... like it was in Vanilla or TBC :

Vanilla launch : November'04
1.2 : Maraudon : December'04
1.3 : Dire Maul : March'05
1.4 : Call to War (Honor patch) : April'05
1.5 : Battlegrounds : June'05
1.6 : BWL : July'05
1.7 : Zul'Gurub : September'05
1.8 : Dragons of Nightmare + Silithus : October'05
1.9 : Ahn-Qiraj : Jan'06
1.10 : Storms of Azeroth : March'06
1.11 : Naxxramas : Jun'06
1.12 : Drums of War (x-realm bgs mostly) : August'06
2.0 : Pre-TBC patch : December'06
TBC : January'07
2.1 : Black Temple : May 07
2.2 : Poop patch (voicechat +brewfest\hallows end) : September 07
2.3 : Zul'Aman : November 07
2.4 : Sunwell : March 08
3.0 (pre-wotlk) : October'08
WOTLK : November '08

That's how WoW should ALWAYS run. They brag about having bigger staff\developing team than ever before, yet we keep getting 1+ year gaps, or shitty content patches like selfies and twitter integration.

What we have now? 12-14 month droughts, which you then have to pay 30-50$\€ as a box price to get new content. This shit is absolutely absurd, yet people are so invested, for use of a positive word, on the world, and on their characters, that they just don't care.

WoW could have no content for 2-3 years, and still have millions of active players just repeating everything they already did...

Blizz hit the jackpot, for real.

[Demeter]

We dont thats why they have lost millions of subscribers, its why they dont even want to announce how many subscribers they have anymore.

[Deficineiron]

I dont think we're having the same conversation...then again, I dont think you are having the same conversation as most people in here

gotta be able to laugh at yourself, though in that blackrock cat. dungeon the npc did say 'go go go.' I think the npc learned it from watching too many wotlk heroics.

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Blizz hit the jackpot, for real.

Activision-Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank. Seriously.

[anaxie]

I canceled my sub ages ago, and I'm not mad in the slightest. I actually think it's quite sad and pathetic that a huge profitable company like Blizzard fails to churn out content at a decent rate. I want WoW to do well, I enjoyed WoW prior to WoD, and sometimes to improve the things you like, you have to be able to criticize their shortcomings.

Decent rate / Churn

The only thing blizzard churns is the playerbase. They are very particular about content and art production. If you are surprised Welcome to how blizzard has been since the 90s.

You see unlike UBISoft or EAs Bioware Puppet or their Partner Activision.

Blizzard doesn't barf out the annual game on the dot like clockwork. WoD flopped. WoD had questionable design choices that were deemed fun by many and cringe worth by others. Yes refering to diablo loot and many other things like MASS amounts of Instant gratification.

Speaking of Instant Gratification. it is both the main cause and only way so many people are seeing content they never could. People were fine up until Blizzard took the big shit that was LFR in 4.3 HELLO Ultra Instant Gratification. And now comes WoD Non raid gear is superior the LAST Tiers Mythic gear BUT NOPE. Not enough. Shit is just laughably easy with so a hilarious amount of difficulty settings. adn to top it off. They ramped the instant gratification up and beyond all levels thought possible and started handing out the best gear in the game. Completely randomly. Through mail.and fuck it lets make gold printing machines and say fuck the economy.

Content shortage is the players fault. Not because they consumed content too fast. because they bitched for shit to be so fucking piss easy the games catch ups are so diluted it just says fuck it and tries to get you the gear as fast as it can like they think people have an A.D.D. issue.

[Release]

The point of paying a subscription is for continued development.... A decent patch every 3 months would be adequate, some larger then others... like it was in Vanilla or TBC :

Vanilla launch : November'04
1.2 : Maraudon : December'04
1.3 : Dire Maul : March'05
1.4 : Call to War (Honor patch) : April'05
1.5 : Battlegrounds : June'05
1.6 : BWL : July'05
1.7 : Zul'Gurub : September'05
1.8 : Dragons of Nightmare + Silithus : October'05
1.9 : Ahn-Qiraj : Jan'06
1.10 : Storms of Azeroth : March'06
1.11 : Naxxramas : Jun'06
1.12 : Drums of War (x-realm bgs mostly) : August'06
2.0 : Pre-TBC patch : December'06
TBC : January'07
2.1 : Black Temple : May 07
2.2 : Poop patch (voicechat +brewfest\hallows end) : September 07
2.3 : Zul'Aman : November 07
2.4 : Sunwell : March 08
3.0 (pre-wotlk) : October'08
WOTLK : November '08

That's how WoW should ALWAYS run. They brag about having bigger staff\developing team than ever before, yet we keep getting 1+ year gaps, or shitty content patches like selfies and twitter integration.

What we have now? 12-14 month droughts, which you then have to pay 30-50$\€ as a box price to get new content. This shit is absolutely absurd, yet people are so invested, for use of a positive word, on the world, and on their characters, that they just don't care.

WoW could have no content for 2-3 years, and still have millions of active players just repeating everything they already did...

Blizz hit the jackpot, for real.

I like WoW and I will buy Legion but I agree with this post. If we were waiting a year for an expansion and that expansion was then free I would be more understanding. To charge you a monthly sub fee then for the expansion box as well really is bullshit.

[Deleted]

I wonder how many Months of subscriptions + buying the expansion takes to make a profit out of WoW.

Maybe they make profit in the first year and they don't care anymore if people unsubscribe.

Hell, maybe they make more money this way instead of wasting resources to make new content at the end of the expansion.

[Deficineiron]

Well, the conversation that most people are having in these threads is that they think they know how games should be developed without being devs. Which to me implies they have jobs paying an awesome amount of money...because if they didn't, they could be game developers earning a good living while having fun doing so.

So some guys founded Blizzard 25 years ago and are making a gazillion dollars by churning out successful franchise after franchise, employing over 4000 people that put food on the table of their families, but..yeah..we all know better by just sitting in our mom's basement wanking to shemale porn.

without access to churn data we will never see, it is difficult to do much more than speculate on what-if's for the major blizzard decisions with wow over the years.

but folks seem to think it is about the game and gameplay, and lose sight of the fact it is about the money, first and always, to the company who owns wow.

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I wonder how many Months of subscriptions + buying the expansion takes to make a profit out of WoW.

Maybe they make profit in the first year and they don't care anymore if people unsubscribe.

Hell, maybe they make more money this way instead of wasting resources and money to make new content at the end of the expansion...

iirc their margins are much, much higher than that.

[anaxie]

Well, the conversation that most people are having in these threads is that they think they know how games should be developed without being devs. Which to me implies they have jobs paying an awesome amount of money...because if they didn't, they could be game developers earning a good living while having fun doing so.

So some guys founded Blizzard 25 years ago and are making a gazillion dollars by churning out successful franchise after franchise, employing over 4000 people that put food on the table of their families, but..yeah..we all know better by just sitting in our mom's basement wanking to shemale porn.

Why does it have Shemales

I mean I looked once because I was wha. Then I sneezed.

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without access to churn data we will never see, it is difficult to do much more than speculate on what-if's for the major blizzard decisions with wow over the years.

but folks seem to think it is about the game and gameplay, and lose sight of the fact it is about the money, first and always, to the company who owns wow.

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iirc their margins are much, much higher than that.

heres an idea

Sometime in Mid MoP blizzard mentioned in the past decade WoW has had over 100 Million registered accounts.

Lets say this number is 120 Million in churn now.because fuck yeah round numbers. and 5 million left with a a PEAK of 14 million but the number average settling moreso around the 12-10 million range for most of the time.

Yes that is a lot of Churn.

Yes that is a lot of Money

Yes WoW has dunked the fuck out of every single Western MMo ever.

[anaxie]

The point of paying a subscription is for continued development.... A decent patch every 3 months would be adequate, some larger then others... like it was in Vanilla or TBC :

Vanilla launch : November'04
1.2 : Maraudon : December'04
1.3 : Dire Maul : March'05
1.4 : Call to War (Honor patch) : April'05
1.5 : Battlegrounds : June'05
1.6 : BWL : July'05
1.7 : Zul'Gurub : September'05
1.8 : Dragons of Nightmare + Silithus : October'05
1.9 : Ahn-Qiraj : Jan'06
1.10 : Storms of Azeroth : March'06
1.11 : Naxxramas : Jun'06
1.12 : Drums of War (x-realm bgs mostly) : August'06
2.0 : Pre-TBC patch : December'06
TBC : January'07
2.1 : Black Temple : May 07
2.2 : Poop patch (voicechat +brewfest\hallows end) : September 07
2.3 : Zul'Aman : November 07
2.4 : Sunwell : March 08
3.0 (pre-wotlk) : October'08
WOTLK : November '08

That's how WoW should ALWAYS run. They brag about having bigger staff\developing team than ever before, yet we keep getting 1+ year gaps, or shitty content patches like selfies and twitter integration.

What we have now? 12-14 month droughts, which you then have to pay 30-50$\€ as a box price to get new content. This shit is absolutely absurd, yet people are so invested, for use of a positive word, on the world, and on their characters, that they just don't care.

WoW could have no content for 2-3 years, and still have millions of active players just repeating everything they already did...

Blizz hit the jackpot, for real.

Blizzard tried smaller patches. They were always met with hate and disdain by ungratful consumers

4.1 5.3 6.1

Also what is absurd is bitching about a 50$ box price. IN 2016
CHEAP AS FUCK

Oh and lets look at those patches.

Simple dungeons in vanilla few mechanics. 1 Difficulty mode. Raids without the polish they have today or the intensive tuning modes and extreme complex design. BARRING NAXX because some insane shit went on in that places planning. EXTREMELY POOR class tuning.

Oh Yes it's easy to just point to patches without consider all the fucking systems piled ontop of the game with each new expansion.

Yes fuck logic. Fuck all the logics

[Deficineiron]

Why does it have Shemales

I mean I looked once because I was wha. Then I sneezed.

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heres an idea

Sometime in Mid MoP blizzard mentioned in the past decade WoW has had over 100 Million registered accounts.

Lets say this number is 120 Million in churn now.because fuck yeah round numbers. and 5 million left with a a PEAK of 14 million but the number average settling moreso around the 12-10 million range for most of the time.

Yes that is a lot of Churn.

Yes that is a lot of Money

Yes WoW has dunked the fuck out of every single Western MMo ever.

100m registered accounts

some questions
1) does it include the9/netease? are accounts that were carried over counted once or twice?
2) how are banned accounts counted, both goldseller cutouts and farmbots (extreme exploitation and automation/hack bans)? how many of these have there been?
3) what is average # of accounts per bnet account, and per payment method (for folks with multiple bnet accounts)?
4) how many are trial accounts?

with this data the 100m might begin to shape up into something that makes sense.

[Eleccybubb]

Blizzard tried smaller patches. They were always met with hate and disdain by ungratful consumers

4.1 5.3 6.1

Also what is absurd is bitching about a 50$ box price. IN 2016
CHEAP AS FUCK

4.1 was fine. 5.3's event was ok certainly not the greatest thing and 6.1 was just pathetic it was literally a camera and twitter.

[brunnor]

I'll try to to explain in to you like to a 5 years old:

Do you like revisiting old content? (for mounts, pets, achievements, etc)

Yes: stay subbed and enjoy your game

No: unsub and do whatever pleases you more (like other games or god forbid, go outside)

I won't judge you for not finding anything fun to do in the game. Please don't judge those who do.

There is no judgement either way. The point I am making is people saying that there is always something to do content wise for everyone are just lying to themselves.

This post specifically is about content drought being acceptable in WoW. WoW fanboys come here and say that there is always stuff to do for everyone. That statement is a huge fallacy. While there is plenty to do for some people who strive to complete everything, that is a minority of players. Most players aren't in the market to complete every achievement and collect every mount/pet/xmog in game, thus there is a large lack of content for those players.

[Deficineiron]

Blizzard tried smaller patches. They were always met with hate and disdain by ungratful consumers

4.1 5.3 6.1

Also what is absurd is bitching about a 50$ box price. IN 2016
CHEAP AS FUCK

customers have no obligation to show gratitude for a product/service they pay for.

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Because I am trying to piss off people, am gearing towards shit-faced drunk and try to test once again the borderline of getting out of a thread before being banned. Which is hard.

You need to use the worldwide sub number and compare it to something western-only, thatway I can help more.

Where is Kangoda?