[TV] Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D

[Khime]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the point in Agent Carter supposed to be showing how the SRI of the war transitioned into the SHIELD of the psot war years. Precisely 2 seasons in and that goal hasn't even come close to fruition, the second season especially felt like a jolly little jaunt for a character who only has a TV show because people liked her from minor roles in other things.

No, the point of the show is to explore how Peggy Carter balances life as a secret agent with that of a single woman in 1940s America. After all, the show is called "Marvel's Agent Carter," not "Marvel's Strategic Scientific Reserve".

And if it were mainly focused on the transition from the SSR to SHIELD, they'd want to draw that out anyway, otherwise they'd run out of reason for the show to continue.

[Lucetia]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the point in Agent Carter supposed to be showing how the SRI of the war transitioned into the SHIELD of the psot war years. Precisely 2 seasons in and that goal hasn't even come close to fruition, the second season especially felt like a jolly little jaunt for a character who only has a TV show because people liked her from minor roles in other things.

While you might not agree with the reasoning, it does make sense to go about it the way they are. You have to have some preliminary reason to start something like S.H.I.E.L.D. so giving a couple seasons showing things Peggy, Howard and Jarvis go through to save the world would eventually lead them to a point of realizing they need to build something bigger. It wouldn't be as interesting if they started in either season and then S.H.I.E.L.D. was formed. It would seem odd and out of place. It'd be like, well these things they could've handled themselves why all the fuss?

[Mace]

i see no reason for Agent Carter to end any time soon, it's a thoroughly enjoyable series, and it is fitting a growing trend of 40s-60s era type series that are popping up, Agent Carter gives you a super hero version that makes the period fresh and classy rather than old and stale. Why stop a good thing huh?

[Jamber]

i see no reason for Agent Carter to end any time soon, it's a thoroughly enjoyable series, and it is fitting a growing trend of 40s-60s era type series that are popping up, Agent Carter gives you a super hero version that makes the period fresh and classy rather than old and stale. Why stop a good thing huh?

I didn't watch the second season, really, because the first season was pretty much heavy handed "You're a woman, you can't do what a man does". Time and time again she shows them she can, and they, for some inexplicable reason, revert back to "but you're a woman". And even at the VERY END of the show, they only budge a little. I was worried since it was a whole new location, she's be struck with the same issues and all character development would be lost. So I didn't see it. Tell me, did I miss the overtones of the season?

[Mace]

I didn't watch the second season, really, because the first season was pretty much heavy handed "You're a woman, you can't do what a man does". Time and time again she shows them she can, and they, for some inexplicable reason, revert back to "but you're a woman". And even at the VERY END of the show, they only budge a little. I was worried since it was a whole new location, she's be struck with the same issues and all character development would be lost. So I didn't see it. Tell me, did I miss the overtones of the season?

sounds like you'd much prefer the new season, many who loved season 1 for those same emphasized points might be a bit disappointed with season 2 for the tone down.

She's still the heroine here ofc, but the tone you'd find more enjoyable

[Shadowferal]

i see no reason for Agent Carter to end any time soon, it's a thoroughly enjoyable series, and it is fitting a growing trend of 40s-60s era type series that are popping up, Agent Carter gives you a super hero version that makes the period fresh and classy rather than old and stale. Why stop a good thing huh?

Fully agree.
At times I preferred it to Agents of SHIELD.

[Zoaric]

It was good to see Creel again. He's one of my favorite side characters.

[Deleted]

Holy sh*t. Loved this episode!

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Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the point in Agent Carter supposed to be showing how the SRI of the war transitioned into the SHIELD of the psot war years. Precisely 2 seasons in and that goal hasn't even come close to fruition, the second season especially felt like a jolly little jaunt for a character who only has a TV show because people liked her from minor roles in other things.

It's been a few days since this was posted, but I think it bears noting that the show is called "Agent Carter", not "Origins of SHIELD" or whatever. We know Carter's the person who founds SHIELD, but the show's about her character development. They don't really need to bring SHIELD in at all, and if they do, the best time is probably during the absolute finale of Agent Carter, when they know there's no more seasons they're going to run. End it on a line like "And we'll call it the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division. Or SHIELD, for short."

If they really want to get into the early days of SHIELD, they'd be better served running it under a new name, and focusing on the early agents, with Carter serving the kind of role that Fury plays in the modern cinematic universe, pre-retirement; shows up occasionally to kick righteous ass and be awesome, but is otherwise mostly off-screen handling the big stuff.

[Mace]

tthis topic seems to have dried up a lot, was expecting much momore chatter after a new episode.

anyhow, i'm a little curious, a smidgen curious, if the MU runs an alternate reality timimeline like the DCU to reconcilee the diffeerent supeer hero story diffeerences.. e.g. Inhumans and Mutants of X-men exhibit ppretty much identical, and yeet ththeeir storiesand impact vasttly differrent you just can't imagine that the world of the mutants is the same as the world of the inhumans, especially after the 2 most recent episodes.

it's not imposssible, but maybe i'm confusing it with ththe DC universe.

in tthe marvel world you'rre either a mutant or an inhuman if you ahve special powers, but the way it's presented, it's not like i'm seeing different sides of the sam world but an alternate world.. there is no mention of muttants, no incorporation, it's not in the speech, the big change everyone is alarmed about is inhuman - this seems almost impossiblee after the showing expose of groups like the X-men .. it's possible i know, but i wonder if they are running with a particular theory like alternate earths to expalin this

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It's been a few days since this was posted, but I think it bears noting that the show is called "Agent Carter", not "Origins of SHIELD" or whatever. We know Carter's the person who founds SHIELD, but the show's about her character development. They don't really need to bring SHIELD in at all, and if they do, the best time is probably during the absolute finale of Agent Carter, when they know there's no more seasons they're going to run. End it on a line like "And we'll call it the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division. Or SHIELD, for short."

If they really want to get into the early days of SHIELD, they'd be better served running it under a new name, and focusing on the early agents, with Carter serving the kind of role that Fury plays in the modern cinematic universe, pre-retirement; shows up occasionally to kick righteous ass and be awesome, but is otherwise mostly off-screen handling the big stuff.

not necessarily, the show could take you through the early years of shield etc with her i.. .anyway, doesn't Agent Carter kick off afterr Captain America is presumed lost? In whhich case Hydra has already emerged and was beaten before the series starts

i'm just saying it could still focus on Agent Carter and still be enjoyable with SHIELD being a part of it, and not necessarily being at the finale.

in fact a Season 3 of Agent Carter, could end in the formaiton of shield, and a season 4, the first years/challenges

[Cattleya]

tthis topic seems to have dried up a lot, was expecting much momore chatter after a new episode.

anyhow, i'm a little curious, a smidgen curious, if the MU runs an alternate reality timimeline like the DCU to reconcilee the diffeerent supeer hero story diffeerences.. e.g. Inhumans and Mutants of X-men exhibit ppretty much identical, and yeet ththeeir storiesand impact vasttly differrent you just can't imagine that the world of the mutants is the same as the world of the inhumans, especially after the 2 most recent episodes.

it's not imposssible, but maybe i'm confusing it with ththe DC universe.

in tthe marvel world you'rre either a mutant or an inhuman if you ahve special powers, but the way it's presented, it's not like i'm seeing different sides of the sam world but an alternate world.. there is no mention of muttants, no incorporation, it's not in the speech, the big change everyone is alarmed about is inhuman - this seems almost impossiblee after the showing expose of groups like the X-men .. it's possible i know, but i wonder if they are running with a particular theory like alternate earths to expalin this

Might be confusing to some because the name Marvel gets slapped on everything, but Fox movies (X-Men, Deadpool and such) aren't in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is by Marvel Studios. Marvel doesn't have the movie rights for mutants, which is why they're never mentioned in the MCU.

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tthis topic seems to have dried up a lot, was expecting much momore chatter after a new episode.

anyhow, i'm a little curious, a smidgen curious, if the MU runs an alternate reality timimeline like the DCU to reconcilee the diffeerent supeer hero story diffeerences.. e.g. Inhumans and Mutants of X-men exhibit ppretty much identical, and yeet ththeeir storiesand impact vasttly differrent you just can't imagine that the world of the mutants is the same as the world of the inhumans.

it's not imposssible, but maybe i'm confusing it with ththe DC universe.

in tthe marvel world you'rre either a mutant or an inhuman if you ahve special powers, but the way it's presented, it's not like i'm seeing different sides of the sam world but an alternate world.. there is no mention of muttants, no incorporation, it's not in the speech, the big change everyone is alarmed about is inhuman - this seems almost impossiblee after the showing expose of groups like the X-men .. it's possible i know, but i wonder if they are running with a particular theory like alternate earths to expalin this

It breaks down like this;

Marvel has a bunch of "universes". The default comics timeline is Earth-616 (they use number codes). The Marvel Cinematic Universe (including SHIELD and Carter and other attached properties) is Earth-199999. The other important one to the Cinematic universe is the Ultimates universe; Earth-1610. This is by no means remotely close to the total list, but those three are all that really "matter" for the MCU; http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Multive...iverse_Listing

While there's cross-universe stuff, that hasn't come up in the MCU at all (and I doubt it would). The MCU is a loose re-interpretation of Marvel stuff mostly based on the standard universe and the Ultimates universe (Sam Jackson is the Ultimate universe's Nick Fury, for instance; Earth-616 Fury is a white dude). Some stuff is brand-new or a complete deviation. The stuff with the X-men franchise and the Spider-man movies isn't technically, officially, part of the MCU canon. Deadpool is tied to the X-men stuff, technically.

However, the Inhumans/X-men stuff isn't really about the MCU at all. The issue there is that Marvel, back in the '90s, sold the film rights to the X-men and attached characters to Fox. Fox keeps making films with them, so that contract's stayed up. Same deal with Spider-man; that's why they keep rebooting both series, to maintain their rights to the characters. Marvel didn't get a great deal, and because they didn't want to keep feeding new X-men stuff to Fox for little payback, they created the Inhumans, who were mutants that weren't mutants so technically didn't fall under that contract. That all happened in the comics, but that's why mutants and the X-men in particular have never been mentioned in the MCU, and why the Inhumans are essentially taking that place. They serve to fill the same "shunned outsiders due to differences" role that Marvel's used as a metaphor for the Civil Rights movements of various eras.

[Mace]

do you guys feel the MCU would have been much more powerful if they could have used mutants? Avengers and Mutants and Shield working hand in hand like they do in the cartoon. I notice in the cartoon there is no mention of inhumans either, but X-men show up. Shield is still pretty much the powerful organisation, but they do make mention of events of the Avengers movies in the cartoons, that's gotta be confusing though..right>?

[Wilderness]

do you guys feel the MCU would have been much more powerful if they could have used mutants? Avengers and Mutants and Shield working hand in hand like they do in the cartoon. I notice in the cartoon there is no mention of inhumans either, but X-men show up. Shield is still pretty much the powerful organisation, but they do make mention of events of the Avengers movies in the cartoons, that's gotta be confusing though..right>?

I don't know about more powerful, but it would have been easier. Your average person, if they have heard anything about comic book stuff before at all, is likely aware of mutants, at the very least because of the X-men. If they aren't following Marvel more closely or watching AoS, then they aren't going to know anything about Inhumans. So they have to do more background and explaining to the general movie-going public since they wanted to use Inhumans instead of mutants in the MCU because of their deal with Fox.

[Kalcheus]

Probably the #1 obstacle to turn Agent Carter into The Birth of SHIELD is Dominic Cooper's contractual needs. You really can't do SHIELD without Howard Stark acting in a capacity beyond playing golf with a dimensional vortex.

[Mace]

I don't know about more powerful, but it would have been easier. Your average person, if they have heard anything about comic book stuff before at all, is likely aware of mutants, at the very least because of the X-men. If they aren't following Marvel more closely or watching AoS, then they aren't going to know anything about Inhumans. So they have to do more background and explaining to the general movie-going public since they wanted to use Inhumans instead of mutants in the MCU because of their deal with Fox.

i wonder if new MCU movies are going to have inhumans in them..it's going to be interesting to see Inhumans go to the big scrren too, i wonder if the general public would just view them as 21st century mutants.

and if marvel ever get the film rights back or somehow get bought by FOX or Sony, i wonder if they'd run the two fothem together or just axe one group altogether, and if they Axe a group, which would be cut.. Mutants or Inhumns - you will have to consider that anything like this would be at least 5 years down the line, enough time for Inhumans to have become far more a part of the MCU than they are currently, i know from right now's perspective you might have the new one cut off, but in 5 years they could be really big, especially if all the new marvel movies have them and they are tied into the whole overarching plot with other groups like Thor, Gaurdains of the Galaxy and Avengers etc

[Kalcheus]

i wonder if new MCU movies are going to have inhumans in them..it's going to be interesting to see Inhumans go to the big scrren too, i wonder if the general public would just view them as 21st century mutants.

Well, they're planning on a film called Inhumans, so I'm guessing that means there will be Inhumans in them.

I'm just waiting for Ms Marvel to finally reach the screen

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Ok, this has been bugging me.

Hunter finds Talbot's son in the back of the truck. Creel knocks him out. WHY DOESN'T CREEL TAKE BACK TALBOT'S SON?!? Am I missing something?!?

[the game]

I really wish they would put agents of shield team in Inifinite Wars. I mean they're already talking about jessica jones and daredevil being in it. Would be kickass to see Coulson and his team team up with the Avengers. I mean how many episodes of shield reference to the movies?

[Wyattbw09]

Hunter finds Talbot's son in the back of the truck. Creel knocks him out. WHY DOESN'T CREEL TAKE BACK TALBOT'S SON?!? Am I missing something?!?[/QUOTE]

A few possibilities:

1) It does not occur to him that it is Talbot's kid.

2) He can't be certain that opening the gel without the help of Mal won't kill the kid.

3) He does not like Coulson very much and would be very happy to see the deal go though the normal and planned route.

4) He has his own agenda as well. Which means helping Talbot when it suits him and not serving Talbot when it does not.

[Mace]

Hunter finds Talbot's son in the back of the truck. Creel knocks him out. WHY DOESN'T CREEL TAKE BACK TALBOT'S SON?!? Am I missing something?!?

A few possibilities:

1) It does not occur to him that it is Talbot's kid.

2) He can't be certain that opening the gel without the help of Mal won't kill the kid.

3) He does not like Coulson very much and would be very happy to see the deal go though the normal and planned route.

4) He has his own agenda as well. Which means helping Talbot when it suits him and not serving Talbot when it does not.

doubt it's that, i think Creel just focused on Hunter, and once he's got his man, doens't bother to go any further than that.

but it's a loose end that could have been addressed better or presented better