Poor writing or are Orcs naturally evil?

[Combatbutler]

Yay 10k.

Ts pesky Old god ;P

[Verdugo]

she is basically the kerrigan of the warcraft universe in terms popularity.

Dont even remind me...

[Arrashi]

Dont even remind me...

But who is jimmy ?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Dont even remind me...

She used to be like kerrigan, and then kerrigan was neutered

[Arrashi]

She used to be like kerrigan, and then kerrigan was neutered

Endings of both HoTS and LotV should not be ever mentioned.

[effs]

Van Cleef is a dick so all humans are dicks, then ?

Naturally!

[Cwimge]

Orcs are naturally prone to Bloodlust. So while they are not naturally evil, they are naturally violent creatures. The Frostwolf clan shuns succumbing to the Bloodlust, but 90% of the Orc population lives by it.

Yep, because of alternate fanfiction past we can state that bloodlust has always been a thing for orcs

[FuxieDK]

Getting fucking tired of Orcs, I think they're the most hated race in and out of universe by now. But this is just because I don't know what the fuck they are anymore. Orcs were cool when they were an honorable race seeking redemption and survival, but ever since MoP it's been fucked up in many many ways. But even before that, Blizzard seems to enjoy playing up Orcs as more villainous given many associations they have with cults and so on. With the events of WoD, I'm really surprised the idea of enslaving them hasn't come up again because of the sheer amount of trouble they cause.

What happened to Orcs?

What orcs are you talking about, when calling them evil?
Gul'dan (that guy is seriously out of reach) aside, which Orc do you call evil?
Voilent, yes... Powermongers, yes...
But evil? I really cannot think of a single orc (still excluding Gul'dan), in the lore, who I'd call evil...

[Zulkhan]

Yep, because of alternate fanfiction past we can state that bloodlust has always been a thing for orcs

It wasn't a big surprise, playable Orc characters ha the "Blood Fury" racial from Classic, even though Orcs weren't supposed to be cursed by any demonic blood after WC3.

What orcs are you talking about, when calling them evil?
Gul'dan (that guy is seriously out of reach) aside, which Orc do you call evil?
Voilent, yes... Powermongers, yes...
But evil? I really cannot think of a single orc (still excluding Gul'dan), in the lore, who I'd call evil...

Garrosh is the other "evil" orc I can think about. Not like Gul'dan, more an Arthas-kind-of-evil, the good-intentioned guy who's rotten inside and slowly shows his true face thanks to the right (and somewhat unfortunate) circumstances.

[trm90]

I was always under the impression that they grew up on a rugged, savage, dangerous and savage planet. In that environment your society which is tribal will do what it needs to do to survive. They developed a strong warrior culture which makes them do things are not always so nice

I have the same impression. As such, the fact that Orcs are capable of choosing Mages, a class which requires some degree of intense focus and is often characterized by their intelligence, feels extremely uncharacteristic of Orcs to me (I would be interested to hear a reasonable explanation though)

[Zulkhan]

I have the same impression. As such, the fact that Orcs are capable of choosing Mages, a class which requires some degree of intense focus and is often characterized by their intelligence, feels extremely uncharacteristic of Orcs to me (I would be interested to hear a reasonable explanation though)

Savage =/= Stupid.

[FuxieDK]

Garrosh is the other "evil" orc I can think about. Not like Gul'dan, more an Arthas-kind-of-evil, the good-intentioned guy who's rotten inside and slowly shows his true face thanks to the right (and somewhat unfortunate) circumstances.

Garry wasn't evil... He was just a megalomaniacal prick..

But if you think about it, everything garry did, made kinda sense, IF you subscriped to his world view...

[Combatbutler]

Savage =/= Stupid.

Prime example trolls

[Arrashi]

Prime example trolls

What do you mean ? Trolls are savage and dumb as pile of rocks. They can't even take a small pandaren village with all out attack.

[Zulkhan]

Garry wasn't evil... He was just a megalomaniacal prick..

But if you think about it, everything garry did, made kinda sense, IF you subscriped to his world view...

A person capable to deceive his own father, murder an elder and manipulate his whole people to pursue a vendetta is definitely Arthas' level of evil.

Prime example trolls

Hell, even (some) Ogres in WoD proved to have remarkable keen minds.

[Friendlyimmolation]

A person capable to deceive his own father, murder an elder and manipulate his whole people to pursue a vendetta is definitely Arthas' level of evil.

Seriously his dad was just a means to an end for him, that is so fucked up. I really wish he could have come back with us (yes I know Au in MU would suck, but he was just getting interesting)

[Zulkhan]

Seriously his dad was just a means to an end for him, that is so fucked up. I really wish he could have come back with us (yes I know Au in MU would suck, but he was just getting interesting)

The real tragedy of Grom coming to MU was that Yrel and her "lovable" voice would have likely followed....

[Friendlyimmolation]

The real tragedy of Grom coming to MU was that Yrel and her "lovable" voice would have likely followed....

"shes the worst Girlfriend, I killed her sister and she still follows me around telling me in the light we are one"

[Deleted]

I can easily say draenei are naturally evil for obvious reasons just like orc's but of course nothing is simple and there are exceptions.

[steelballfc]

I can easily say draenei are naturally evil for obvious reasons just like orc's but of course nothing is simple and there are exceptions.

Humans are the Evil Incarnate