"Go Ahead nd Shoot Me!"-- Intense Video Shows Militiaman's Final Moments

[Endus]

So then, the brown shooting was justified and you had no problems with that or the zimmerman case.

The DoJ confirmed that the Brown shooting was justified, yes. The Zimmerman case, my issues were always that the only reason that situation became violent was that Zimmerman was stalking him to begin with; he should have faced some consequences for instigating that, even if the actual shooting was deemed justified.

I'm not being inconsistent, and my positions on these things have never been determined by race. I'm not the one desperate to bring race into this, every time. You folks are the ones dragging it up, here, when it has exactly zero relevance.

[Gevoth]

clearly this guy was a savage, feral, thug, who needed to be taken down

Thanks Genn.

[Endus]

That was a huge amount or effort and expense to set up that roadblock, coordinate with state and federal agents, have the elite FBI hostage unit there who are the best of the best in the FBI, all to apprehend one old dude who had a warrant. You see that type of operation for a murderer. Not saying it was not justified, but if they just wanted to take him in then why not get him at the Sherrifs office ? Would have been easier

All to apprehend one old dude who had a warrant and was engaged in one of the largest-scale examples of domestic terrorism in recent US history.

Not sure why you're ignoring that last bit.

[Rhaide]

I'm not going to even bother reading everything in this thread, the guy clearly deserved the bullet.

He moves fast enough that it took only FOUR FRAMES for his hand to be completely up in the air. Sure his hand ended up in the air instead of pointing at an officer, but he was in the middle of a crime, and rapidly got out of the car and flung his hand in the direction of police (before raising it) while shouting. The shot came before he was even fully done with the motion, it was solid reaction time honestly. That cop should get a medal. Should they have waited for him to shoot someone first? No.

Anyone who has had police or military suspect detainment training knows that you shoot in cases like this.

Although I will say it's funny I haven't heard about this on the news.. and it's not up to 100 pages on MMO-C yet... hmm. OH, HE'S NOT BLACK. I get it. Nevermind.

[Felya]

So then, the brown shooting was justified and you had no problems with that or the zimmerman case.

Zimmerman was not a cop and was told by cops to stand down. Brown was unarmed and the result of him being shot, was the cop mishandling the situation by allowing the perpetrator the ability to reach for his gun. In this case, this militia has explicitly stated they would shoot cops, would use women and children as shields in previous encounter and nearly ran over a cop with his car.

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There was namecalling, just look in the thread.

So now the sort of name calling is irrelevant?

[Thetruth1400]

About 5:30, he gets out of the car and says "go ahead and shoot me." and they do. lol

Completely unjustified. It's illegal to kill someone that asks, that's the law.

Funny that black lives matter is nowhere to be seen with this happening, considering they want equality for all and protest police overstepping their grounds, which is the clear case here. Not only is it illegal to shoot at a moving vehicle, but it looks like he got out of the car with his hands up and they just kept firing. Not only that, they then kept firing at a vehicle that showed no signs of resistance, nor posed an active threat. At no time while they were shooting did they tell the people to surrender, get their hands up, etc.

Cops were in the wrong here, and hopefully the lot of them get put in jail for murder and assault with a deadly weapon. As much as people don't like it, these crazies have the same rights to protection as others, and deserve those rights to be protected, which they clearly weren't in this instance.

[Cyberowl]

Completely unjustified. It's illegal to kill someone that asks, that's the law.

Funny that black lives matter is nowhere to be seen with this happening, considering they want equality for all and protest police overstepping their grounds, which is the clear case here. Not only is it illegal to shoot at a moving vehicle, but it looks like he got out of the car with his hands up and they just kept firing. Not only that, they then kept firing at a vehicle that showed no signs of resistance, nor posed an active threat. At no time while they were shooting did they tell the people to surrender, get their hands up, etc.

Cops were in the wrong here, and hopefully the lot of them get put in jail for murder and assault with a deadly weapon. As much as people don't like it, these crazies have the same rights to protection as others, and deserve those rights to be protected, which they clearly weren't in this instance.

Did you ignore everything else or are you trolling?

He wasn't shot for asking for it...

[Garnier Fructis]

him exiting the truck after he tried to hit some one with it is the same as some one dropping his weapon after shooting at some one with it
are you allowed to shot some one after they dropped their weapon?

Sure, if they then proceed to try and pull another one.

[GennGreymane]

Thanks Genn.

you're welcome gev

[Vorkreist]

Doesn't US law have any regulation for cops using their guns ?
In my country there are very strict lines before a cop is legally allowed to use his weapon. For example he has to shoot upwards at least 2 times as a warning when asking someone to dissarm (rarely the case) or stop (from running most of the cases). If a cop just decides to go on wack and shoot someone even if its the lowest scum criminal, if he didn't follow the legal procedure hes in shitworld of trouble. In us it seems its more like the average doughnuthead joe getting bored or too excited and allowed to kill people.

P.S.
Please stop the race circlejerk. This phenomenon is trending in US for years with enough casualties of any color

[GennGreymane]

Careful now, if that man had been another color, you would have gotten infracted for trolling/racism.

SHoulda seen the thread about eating dogs. Not a single infraction

[Felya]

Although I will say it's funny I haven't heard about this on the news.. and it's not up to 100 pages on MMO-C yet... hmm. OH, HE'S NOT BLACK. I get it. Nevermind.

This is not the first thread on the topic by OP, who is linking news sources. This has reached 8 pages in 3 hours, meaning that if the pace continues, it will be 100 pages in less than 2 days.

[Xeones]

There is also a question about the legality of the ambush style road stop and barricade.

What question? Explain this concept to me. Are you telling me police don't have a right to stop people they have a warrant against? Or are you saying you would have preferred a massive shoot out at the preserve?

This group was on the way to meet the Sheriff for some unexplained reason the Sheriff office will not comment on.

What? I've not seen a single source say this. Every single article I've seen has said they were heading to another town to have a event at a senior citizen center, they even had one of their singer girls with them. Why would they have her for a meeting with a Sheriff?

The weapons in the car were stashed under the seats and in the back, except for the alleged ruger semi auto they said Finicum had in his jacket pocket. That handgun, a Ruger Sr9 does not fit well into a jacket pocket. I own one. Anyone who is familiar with firearms would not place that particular weapon in a jacket pocket like that.

So continuing from the last bit you're going to go full conspiracy and claim the law enforcement are lying about a dude who repeatedly stated he intended to kill police.

[Gib Lover]

Doesn't US law have any regulation for cops using their guns ?
In my country there are very strict lines before a cop is legally allowed to use his weapon. For example he has to shoot upwards at least 2 times as a warning when asking someone to dissarm (rarely the case) or stop (from running most of the cases)..

That is the fucking stupidest thing I've ever heard. Bullets come back down at some point, this isn't a videogame where they collide with the skybox

[Dystemper]

All to apprehend one old dude who had a warrant and was engaged in one of the largest-scale examples of domestic terrorism in recent US history.

Not sure why you're ignoring that last bit.

Its quite a bit of a stretch to call the protestors domestic terrorists. Nothing was destroyed, they did not harm anyone. Domestic terrorism would be TImothy Mcveigh, the BLM rioters in Baltimore would fit. Bunch of yahoos occupying a unused gift shop in a national park? Not so much

[Pangean]

If he didn't point his gun at anybody, I can't see how shooting him was appropriate. Could have shot his wheels, forcing him to get off the car.

Yeah it's not the movies. Shooting out the tires isn't as easy as you might think.

[theostrichsays]

Polite thing to do

If this was Reddit I would have given you gold for it mate.

[Gib Lover]

Yeah it's not the movies. Shooting out the tires isn't as easy as you might think.

Something tells me he is making allusions to people saying cops should shoot arms/legs of perpetrators.

[Vyxn]

Sure, if they then proceed to try and pull another one.

he was shoot at twice before he reached in his jacket pocket confirmed by the call phone vid which shows him with his arms raised and by the article posted by Dystemper

[Xeones]

I'm waiting for your retraction that he was reaching into his jacket pocket before he was shot at. that many concede to that he wasn't and the article posted by Dystemper confirms

Video footage very clearly shows him reaching before being shot. The police knew he was armed and knew he intended to kill law enforcement from information he freely gave in news interviews. There is nothing more to be said.