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    Exactly when was America great?

    Mr Trump, you tell us that you want to make America great again. Would you tell us when you think America was great?

    No one is asking you that simple question. It might challenge your first grade rhetoric, who knows? Or cause you to insult or attack or eject or ban or rough up some journalist for making you uncomfortable. So we'll try.

    Was it great when we got started and half the country owned slaves and only people in your economic class could vote?

    Was it great when it aggressively expanded into native territories, violated treaties endlessly, forced deadly migrations, and committed genocide?

    Was it great when two sides fought monstrous, bloody battles and left the South in tatters because they refused to end slavery?

    Was it great when the robber barons, under laissez-faire capitalism, repeatedly led us into depressions, when workers’ strikes were met by armed repression?

    Was it great when women couldn’t vote? Or Black citizens?

    Was it great when Teddy Roosevelt busted the trusts?

    When he set aside massive tracts of natural beauty to be owned and operated for the citizens?

    When he followed up on the theft of half of Mexico by ejecting Spain from this hemisphere and most of its other colonies?

    Was it great when Sacco and Vanzetti, in a spasm of racist fear of darker-skinned immigrants, were falsely accused, convicted, and hanged?

    Was it great when a series of wars and interventions kept much of Latin America subservient to US agricultural and energy needs?

    Was it great when the KKK and its kin lynched African Americans?

    Was segregation part of its greatness, or red-lining, or overt discrimination, or poll taxes?

    Was it great when Herbert Hoover fiddled as the economy tanked?

    Was it great when isolationists looked away and the Bush family made a fortune as Hitler re-armed Germany?

    Was it great when whole industries – mining, textiles, steel, auto, were finally unionized?

    Was it great when FDR launched and expanded the New Deal? When he regulated capitalism?

    Was it great when we prevailed in WWII, and then sent all those GI’s to college, and helped them buy houses, and taxed millionaires at 90%?

    And at the same time excluded over 10% of our citizens from sharing in most of that opportunity?

    Was it great when we faced down the Soviet Union, but had a nightmare balance of destructive power hanging by a thread?

    Was it great when we finally passed civil rights laws, after generations of struggle, murder, and resistance?

    Was it great when we went wild for science, math, and technology and won the Space Race?

    Was it great when we waged wars against tiny countries of rice farmers and tried to bomb them back into the stone age?

    Was it great when we finally passed laws to protect the air and water from industrial poisons, and to save plants and animals from extinction at our hands?

    Was it great when migrant farm workers finally had their union recognized?

    Was it great when the Southern Strategy was hatched?

    Was it great during Watergate?

    Was it great when deregulation of savings and loans cost taxpayers billions and billions?

    Was it great when we had relative peace and prosperity and ran a balanced budget during the ‘90’s?

    Was it great when we were attacked by terrorists in our greatest city, and launched two wars in response, at least one of which was for faked reasons, destroyed a country and left it in chaos? When we didn’t pay any of the bills for it and tanked the economy yet again?

    Was it great when the taxpayers bailed out deregulated banks again, this time for 20 times what the previous mess had cost?

    How about when we stopped one of those wars, brought the economy back from the brink, and greatly expanded health care access and coverage?

    Was it great when you and others railed that Obama wasn’t born a citizen despite the mountain of evidence?

    So, when was it great? What vision do you have? What version of the past would you care to lead us into? Inquiring minds need to know. Oh wait.

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    It was pretty great comparatively for a few decades after WW2, then it all fell to shit again.

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    yes

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    Yes, it was great at all of these times and remains great.

    Exit isn't that hard if you're not keen.

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    Obviously when it was part of Great Britian. You naughty colonials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Mr Trump, you tell us that you want to make America great again. Would you tell us when you think America was great?

    No one is asking you that simple question. It might challenge your first grade rhetoric, who knows? Or cause you to insult or attack or eject or ban or rough up some journalist for making you uncomfortable. So we'll try.

    Was it great when we got started and half the country owned slaves and only people in your economic class could vote?

    Was it great when it aggressively expanded into native territories, violated treaties endlessly, forced deadly migrations, and committed genocide?

    Was it great when two sides fought monstrous, bloody battles and left the South in tatters because they refused to end slavery?

    Was it great when the robber barons, under laissez-faire capitalism, repeatedly led us into depressions, when workers’ strikes were met by armed repression?

    Was it great when women couldn’t vote? Or Black citizens?

    Was it great when Teddy Roosevelt busted the trusts?

    When he set aside massive tracts of natural beauty to be owned and operated for the citizens?

    When he followed up on the theft of half of Mexico by ejecting Spain from this hemisphere and most of its other colonies?

    Was it great when Sacco and Vanzetti, in a spasm of racist fear of darker-skinned immigrants, were falsely accused, convicted, and hanged?

    Was it great when a series of wars and interventions kept much of Latin America subservient to US agricultural and energy needs?

    Was it great when the KKK and its kin lynched African Americans?

    Was segregation part of its greatness, or red-lining, or overt discrimination, or poll taxes?

    Was it great when Herbert Hoover fiddled as the economy tanked?

    Was it great when isolationists looked away and the Bush family made a fortune as Hitler re-armed Germany?

    Was it great when whole industries – mining, textiles, steel, auto, were finally unionized?

    Was it great when FDR launched and expanded the New Deal? When he regulated capitalism?

    Was it great when we prevailed in WWII, and then sent all those GI’s to college, and helped them buy houses, and taxed millionaires at 90%?

    And at the same time excluded over 10% of our citizens from sharing in most of that opportunity?

    Was it great when we faced down the Soviet Union, but had a nightmare balance of destructive power hanging by a thread?

    Was it great when we finally passed civil rights laws, after generations of struggle, murder, and resistance?

    Was it great when we went wild for science, math, and technology and won the Space Race?

    Was it great when we waged wars against tiny countries of rice farmers and tried to bomb them back into the stone age?

    Was it great when we finally passed laws to protect the air and water from industrial poisons, and to save plants and animals from extinction at our hands?

    Was it great when migrant farm workers finally had their union recognized?

    Was it great when the Southern Strategy was hatched?

    Was it great during Watergate?

    Was it great when deregulation of savings and loans cost taxpayers billions and billions?

    Was it great when we had relative peace and prosperity and ran a balanced budget during the ‘90’s?

    Was it great when we were attacked by terrorists in our greatest city, and launched two wars in response, at least one of which was for faked reasons, destroyed a country and left it in chaos? When we didn’t pay any of the bills for it and tanked the economy yet again?

    Was it great when the taxpayers bailed out deregulated banks again, this time for 20 times what the previous mess had cost?

    How about when we stopped one of those wars, brought the economy back from the brink, and greatly expanded health care access and coverage?

    Was it great when you and others railed that Obama wasn’t born a citizen despite the mountain of evidence?

    So, when was it great? What vision do you have? What version of the past would you care to lead us into? Inquiring minds need to know. Oh wait.
    Damn, you Bernie people really have a hard on for America. Where's Wells?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickmagnus View Post
    It was pretty great comparatively for a few decades after WW2, then it all fell to shit again.
    It's exactly this.
    Could have had something to do with the fact that most other comparable countries just had been the theatre of one of the biggest wars the world has ever seen.

    PS: You really should have stopped asking those "questions" when adding more didn't do anything to further your point. That's about the fifth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chitika View Post
    It's exactly this.
    Could have had something to do with the fact that most other comparable countries just had been the theatre of one of the biggest wars the world has ever seen.
    That's just it, objectively very few countries are or have been great for extended periods of time. Comparatively though lots of countries have and continue to be. For all their faults, I would much rather America be top dog than say China or Russia. Though that won't be true if they elect Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Damn, you Bernie people really have a hard on for America. Where's Wells?
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    TLDR in a country of 160M people and going on 250 years there were some bad people, although there are about 10x more good things for every "bad" (and some aren't bad, not sure what OP was going for) thing in the list.

    And btw, if you think the rest of the world was perfect in that time, that's beyond lol. WW1, Hitler, Stalin/Lenin's purges, Japan's imperialism and chemical weapon testing on Chinese, UK imperialism (where to even start on that one), Dutch imperialism in Africa, South African apartheid...and that's just a few quick highlights. And we're trying to compare the US creating Social Security to that? Have to keep some perspective. Every soccer game in the UK and EU today has some sort of "stop racism" marketing, if you think that was somehow isolated to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickmagnus View Post
    That's just it, objectively very few countries are or have been great for extended periods of time. Comparatively though lots of countries have and continue to be. For all their faults, I would much rather America be top dog than say China or Russia. Though that won't be true if they elect Trump.
    Oh they will vote Trump, I am sure of it. He says exactly what the people want to hear. Other politicians don't do that since they actually care a half about how to actually make those promises happen.
    Last big elections here we had a satire/protest partie promise "Walls, walls everywhere..." and you now have Trump promise exactly that. They don't have anything to do with each other but you get my point.

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    From like the time George Washington crossed the Delaware to when Andrew Jackson told the banks to go fuck themselves through the Great Depression up to FDR being a badass.

    We were almost great again when JFK was like, 'Nah bros' and readjusted the interest rates and our GDP was kinda awesome from like 1963-1967. Mostly it was from Washington to Jackson to FDR when America was amazing.

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    It's just a slogan. 'Great' really depends on what aspect you're looking at.
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    Lists a bunch of things that aren't even relevant to his candidacy.

    See this is why the anti-Trump dingbats need some serious meds.

    3/4 of it just non sequitur race bait nonsense, which I know is the sole motivator behind anti-Trumplings jimmie rustling.

    And none of it qualifies as "Making America Great".

    I'm kinda curious what radical hate group site you pulled all of those lines from.

    I know you didn't write them yourself.

    C'mon wheres the link?
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    When all you do is WIN WIN WIN

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    America hasn't been great since Ben Franklin died.

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    It was right after World War 2, but before Vietnam war.

    US got lots of money by "helping" WW2.
    Everyone is afraid of US because of nuclear.

    Then US lost Vietnam war ...

    US is very lucky that USSR is gone.
    If the oil price was $100 in 1990, US would lose the cold war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotomon View Post
    damn, saw the topic and i was going to link this

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    America was great before Christoffer Columbus vent over there and fucked it all up. Well he didn't, but his men did.

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    never, well we were great at kicking the natives off thier land, so manifest destiney I guess.

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