Why people hates HOTS?

[Avlivar]

The biggest problem I see to HoTS is that the Quickmatch is slower than the ranked queue. I find that QM games are also extremely imbalanced. They should honestly just replace it with a League style team builder or draft queue. Other than that, I find the game to be very fun.

I guess I'm bias, I'm a Rank 1 HoTS player :x

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Same reason people hate wow, because they don't play it serious enough to learn to love it.
Sad state of games now. Everyone's so impatient.

[Frozen Death Knight]

The biggest problem I see to HoTS is that the Quickmatch is slower than the ranked queue. I find that QM games are also extremely imbalanced. They should honestly just replace it with a League style team builder or draft queue. Other than that, I find the game to be very fun.

I guess I'm bias, I'm a Rank 1 HoTS player :x

I would personally not remove the current Quick Match, but yeah, they need to add draft mode like how HL does it. HotS needs more game modes overall. Arena can't come soon enough.

[Deleted]

The biggest problem I see to HoTS is that the Quickmatch is slower than the ranked queue. I find that QM games are also extremely imbalanced. They should honestly just replace it with a League style team builder or draft queue. Other than that, I find the game to be very fun.

I guess I'm bias, I'm a Rank 1 HoTS player :x

The biggest problem i have is that the only way you can carry a game is if your entire team does well. You cant personally get fed and push a lane or something like that.

Its not a problem in a game where 5 people of exact equal skill plays together. But that almost never happens


That and i just like the items and levels of league better then the very limited customization in Hots

[Muis]

QM matchmaking realy is a good complain tho.
I mean, every time I sign up and I'm not a tank/supp, I get none at all in my team.
As soon as I sign as one, I get double supp teams or double tank.

Also, signed up with someone yesterday, we both went random.
We ended up with triple specialist with an abathur, sgt hammer and nazeebro against 4 burst assassins :/

It's really shit. There are plenty supports being played, but they always end up as double supp teams it seems (my experience).

[Toppy]

So, what I'm gathering from this thread is that the primary reason they dislike HotS, is that they can't snowball and/or carry.

So, they're mad its not a carbon copy DOTA/LoL

[Deleted]

So, what I'm gathering from this thread is that the primary reason they dislike HotS, is that they can't snowball and/or carry.

Uhm.. hots is THE most snowbally moba on the market period. Where in "reward personal performance" you see "I want to stump noobs" ???

So, they're mad its not a carbon copy DOTA/LoL

Of course it's not a carbon copy - they've pulled out all the guts out of LoL/Dota and put shared XP and multimap setup. That's it.

[Nerraw]

Uhm.. hots is THE most snowbally moba on the market period. Where in "reward personal performance" you see "I want to stump noobs" ???

I regularly win games where I've been behind by 3 levels.

[Bloodletters]

Yup you don't. You save all your IP to buy the best ones. Which means you don't buy any champs until you have been playing for over a month at least while being weaker than any 20+ lvl players who have runes. Great system.



If you enjoy being weaker than other players on specific champs then sure don't buy them. If you only want to be able to play 2 roles then that's fine too. Not really something I enjoy limiting myself to when playing a skill-centric game.

This is a bit misleading, to say the least. First of all, the only time you'll actually be weaker than your opponents is if you're consistently matched against level 20+ accounts when you are level 5 or something. But the only way that will happen is if your level 25-30 account friend is repeatedly playing with you on that account. So you can thank your friend for ruining the queue for you. Your friend should create an alt account that is similar level to you so that you can be matched against players who are your same level.

Also, the thing about needing runes for 2 rune pages, a lot of the runes from one page will carry over to a second and of course every account gets two free rune pages to start with. So you are really exaggerating the cost of all of this. Don't get me wrong, if you really get a high champ pool and what all the best runes for each champ, that can take a long time to unlock but it's really not necessary to do so for awhile.

[AeneasBK]

I regularly win games where I've been behind by 3 levels.

The most I've ever come back from was a 5 lvl deficit but, in good faith, that was more due to them getting waay over confident and trying to smash one of our final keeps without any minion support and we got a lucky chain gank which put us back to only 3 levels behind with some huge creep buildups to clear. Was a damn satisfying win in the end, nevertheless.

[Mormolyce]

Uhm.. hots is THE most snowbally moba on the market period. Where in "reward personal performance" you see "I want to stump noobs" ???

The only way you get snowballed in HoTS is if your team is utter, utter dogshit compared to theirs and you never make a strong contest ever.

There is a big difference between a snowball and just losing.

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I just know that for at least the other two major MOBA: DOTA2 and LoL, I've heard almost nothing but complaints about their match making system, so to see that applied to HotS as well raises some flags.

I'm pretty sure there is no situation in which a MOBA can have no complaints about matchmaking.

Still, HoTS could be improved.

[Hand Banana]

If you, at level 5, buy rune pages then you are the problem not the game.

Obviosuly you wont listen to reason but fuck it.

Just because you CAN buy thigns with ip doesnt mean you HAVE to.

You can buy summoner icons aswell. Server changes, name changes.


Pre level 20 runes do not do that much(and are cheap as fuck anyways).

You realyl should try and at least fucking get the facts straight before spewing random shit you dont know anything about

Pretty sure you are just trolling me at this point. Kind of over talking to you.

This is a bit misleading, to say the least. First of all, the only time you'll actually be weaker than your opponents is if you're consistently matched against level 20+ accounts when you are level 5 or something. But the only way that will happen is if your level 25-30 account friend is repeatedly playing with you on that account. So you can thank your friend for ruining the queue for you. Your friend should create an alt account that is similar level to you so that you can be matched against players who are your same level.

Also, the thing about needing runes for 2 rune pages, a lot of the runes from one page will carry over to a second and of course every account gets two free rune pages to start with. So you are really exaggerating the cost of all of this. Don't get me wrong, if you really get a high champ pool and what all the best runes for each champ, that can take a long time to unlock but it's really not necessary to do so for awhile.

Yay someone finally said "don't play with your friends if you are new" about LoL. Literally sums up why the game is so toxic and awful in one quick sentence IMO. I Played with full parties of 4 lvl 30 friends (who are obviously not all going to make alt accounts since they can't play the way they want due to lack of masteries/runes) means pretty much every opponent was lvl 30 and you can hardly contribute. And if any game that revolves around teamwork encourages you not to play with your friends its fucking stupid, no argument.

And I am not exaggerating the costs on runes, in fact I am being very conservative. I spent 19k IP and did not have fully what I wanted before I quit and that's a fact. To buy the generic 2 pages its probably only 12k. The reality people seem to be missing is that not having the additional rune pages and particular runes puts you at an OBJECTIVE DISADVANTAGE to other players who get to be better just because they have played longer. If you want to be able to play at your full potential on an even playing field you MUST buy the extra rune pages and particular runes.

Take Veigar for instance (one of the champs I owned), he really likes mana regen runes (or did at least) for building him a certain way. Those are obviously not part of the generic rune pages you would have with just 2 and so you are at a disadvantage if you want to build that way. Also, magic pen(armor pen) is a stronger stat than AP(AD) or vice versa depending on the champ/build, so not having the proper runes in place puts you at a disadvantage.

[Ballistic]

My only grip in game right now is that QM queue became longer than HL, I don't play QM it is filled mostly with ignorant idiots who play their own game and don't believe in teamplay. Problem is because of these long queues it dropped tons of noobs in HL that screws your ranks in HL.

[bigbleach]

-2 weeks is a little short to 30 but I guess it depends on wins / stim packs etc, I guess if you play with other people its easier to get wins. Its several months of farming to get enough characters to get into it. I am currently sitting at 200 games and I own 8 character (3 were bought in a very cheap package deal so really im at 5 champions owned). If its an alt account and you are playing on the casual just for the dailies im sure it does not feel bad at all similar to hearthstone.
-Skins are optional but the average price of a skin is £7.50 which is pretty expensive and when playing a MOBA you want to get skins and give money to the company, Unfortunately currently they are going with the whale system.
-Xul can 1v1 anyone currently, usually there is a rock paper scissors thing going on.
-The game runs terribly, 60 FPS is unobtainable. Now my rig is not the newest or strongest but its enough to run any new release at constant 60 FPS other than HOTS.
-You misunderstood me here, I mean that if you disconnect for any reason you then have to sit through 5 minutes of a "The game is catching up screen" and in such short games its pretty much game losing forcing you out for that long.
- Im talking about champions in general. There are currently 6 heroes costing 2K, That's the smallest pool in the game by a large margin and with the gold gain being so low outside of the daily win.
- Teamplay is fine but I would enjoy being able to shine as an individual but in fairness this is the issue most MOBA's face atm the only one I find where a single player can make a difference is SMITE.

30 gold per win.
10,000 gold for a champion.
10,000 ÷ 30 = 333.33333333
333 wins or 500 losses to obtain a max cost champion compared to say LoL where it takes 100 wins or 200 losses if you don't include the doubled first win of the day bonus. They have added gold gains in other ways but I find those to be insignificant compared. Iv found in average play I can receive a new max cost character in LoL every week where as iv been hardcoreing HOTS for the past week and I have 5.8K gold.

I'll start with the FPS thing, I have 0 issues with that. Both of my Pcs max it without an issue in the world, and they are far from being high end machines ( I'd assume most would call my machines mid range ). A lot of your gold comes from daily quests, getting heroes to 5 and 9, it does kind of suck that the games don't add up to much but meh, I don't play 20 and 30 matches a day either so meh. Also, you can shine as a single player in HoTs, you just have to play well. I play Gazlowe a lot, I have a high win ratio with him in HL. I've killed entire teams by myself, while that isn't too often, its not uncommon to kill them 1v2 or 1v3. Li ming is another hero I've turned losing games around with a few good plays. ETC, land a few good 4-5 man moshpits and its GG. If you know your heroes, you can shine. I played LoL up to lvl 26 and i couldn't stomach the games where a decent Riven who got a little bit fed would just shit wreck your whole team, or the fact that games would last 45 mins... or if their carry did well it was basically over. You at least have a chance to come back in hots, without it being a freaking miracle

[Bloodletters]

Yay someone finally said "don't play with your friends if you are new" about LoL. Literally sums up why the game is so toxic and awful in one quick sentence IMO. I Played with full parties of 4 lvl 30 friends (who are obviously not all going to make alt accounts since they can't play the way they want due to lack of masteries/runes) means pretty much every opponent was lvl 30 and you can hardly contribute. And if any game that revolves around teamwork encourages you not to play with your friends its fucking stupid, no argument.

That's not what I said at all. I suggested that your friends should play on alt accounts, its really not hard to take a few minutes and create a new account.

Your team always had 4 level 30s on it, yet you thought you should always be matched up against a low level account? Does that make sense to you? Do you want Riot to hand you free wins?

Anyway, you can thank your "friends" for making every lane match-up difficult for you.

[Hand Banana]

That's not what I said at all. I suggested that your friends should play on alt accounts, its really not hard to take a few minutes and create a new account.

Your team always had 4 level 30s on it, yet you thought you should always be matched up against a low level account? Does that make sense to you? Do you want Riot to hand you free wins?

Anyway, you can thank your "friends" for making every lane match-up difficult for you.

Do you even read what you write? And why would I want free wins? What I want is to be on an even playing field regardless of how long I have been playing the game so I can play with my max level friends and not be gimped. Therefore, yes the game punishes you for playing with your friends if you are new, which is exactly what you said (unbeknownst to you). And no one is going to make alt accounts and lose all of their masteries, runes, and champs just to play with someone (especially not all 4 people). I wouldn't want them too; that's not fair for them.

That's the LoL mentality unfortunately; having friends and a party to play with is frowned upon because "ermagerd must solo carry".

[Deleted]

Well.

AS a competitive online game obviosuly the matchmaking is going to get some heat when people feel like they are playing against players better then themselves.

I cant agree with your statement though. As someone who plays a lot of different moba's LoL and Dota both have great matchmaking engines(i'm saying that while not liking dota at all mind you)

Love how people still dont understand that it isnt matchmaking what suck. It is HoTS game desing when you as 1 player have almost 0 impact on outcome of your games. LoL and Dota feels they have better matchmaking becouse you can carry your games 1v5 or with few bad players in your team. Thats why you can climb in other games in ladder better. HoTS doesnt provide that. You as single unit have no ompact on the game. You have no power over outcome. This is main issue with the game. One thing is have bad team and just loss beocuse there is nothing what you can do. And another is be able to carry your team even when you have team full of bads.

This is also reason why HoTS is very boring to watch. It is always exiciting to see 1 player outplay enemy team and single handedly win match then see 5 people fighting in cluster tf over forced objective.

[Bloodletters]

Do you even read what you write? And why would I want free wins? What I want is to be on an even playing field regardless of how long I have been playing the game so I can play with my max level friends and not be gimped. Therefore, yes the game punishes you for playing with your friends if you are new, which is exactly what you said (unbeknownst to you). And no one is going to make alt accounts and lose all of their masteries, runes, and champs just to play with someone (especially not all 4 people). I wouldn't want them too; that's not fair for them.

That's the LoL mentality unfortunately; having friends and a party to play with is frowned upon because "ermagerd must solo carry".

You should really read my posts slower so that you can understand them. You are on an even playing field as a team when you party with 4 level 30 accounts. That is the choice you and your friends decided to make, apparently for a couple months or so. One would have to wonder why your friends wouldn't be able to take 5 minutes to create an alternate account so that you aren't at a potential disadvantage in your lane. You are wrong about whether someone would create an alt account to play with their friends because I've experienced that exact thing myself. Friends of mine played on their alt accounts specifically because they didn't want us to be paired against level 30 accounts.

The bottom line is the opposite team also has that disadvantage in one of their lanes so it evens out. League is a team game afterall. So yes, party with your friends all you like but don't complain, otherwise you look like an ass, when you get matched up against a level 30 because you decided to pair up with 4 level 30s in the first place.

[hulkgor]

I will never understand this "No last hits" complaint. Why everyone cares about the last hit so much? What does it matter as long as enemy dies and you win the match. I hated when people fought over kill stealing in LoL, made me hate the game even more. If you mean minion last hit, I am very grateful Hots doesn't have that either.

Hey, i'm glad you actually enjoy this dumbed down MOBA. Personally, i like a bit more depth with mine.

[Mormolyce]

Hey, i'm glad you actually enjoy this dumbed down MOBA. Personally, i like a bit more depth with mine.

My taste in video games could beat up taste in video games.