Old gods doesent really feel menancing anymore *Spoilers from Chronicles*

[KrakHed]

Behind the bad guy there is another bad guy concepts, I've grown to feel that these creatures are not nearly as menancing anymore.

The titans didn't even fight them themselves. They created titanic watchers and mogu, and they single handedly defeated them all
They don't nearly seem as powerful as they used to be

Hell, the Scourge could be a bigger threat now

Honestly, the Old Gods were nerfed a long time ago. This massive buff to the Titans actually made me think they were tough again.

They were outnumbered by a vastly superior foe and still managed to give them a hard time.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah, nah.

Archimonde could level cities with the wave of a hand, hell lesser man'ari can destroy planets.

[Ratyrel]

That's exactly what I said, Chronicle doesn't mention any infighting between OG's at all. Before Chronicle it was assumed or maybe even lore that the OGs were rife with infighting running grand schemes against each other in a battle for dominance.

Oh sorry, I misunderstood then.

Also what's all this stuff about the Lich King. At the cosmic level he's absolute peanuts. He's a single-planet level creation of some demons designed to make a mess of the planet's defenders.

Imo if anything the explanations make the Old Gods feel more dangerous. The mystery is now dispelled to an extent, but what we gained gives us far more material for speculation.

[Verdugo]

Not even close. The Lich God is the most powerful.

You mean Nagash?

[Arrashi]

Does the Lich God only awake at sunset too?

Is lich god a loli ?

[Ol Scratch]

Like most of Blizzard's bastardizations of real world (or in this face, literary) mythology, their take on the Cthulhuian mythos was a joke from the very beginning. Seriously, the vast majority of everything they churn out sounds like something a 12-year-old Dungeon Master would "create" for their "awesome" homebrew worlds. And even that's being insulting to 12-year-old Dungeon Masters.

Hell, just the core concepts of the game was just whatshisface taking standard fantasy tropes and literally reversing them. "Dude, our orcs are gonna be honorable!" "DUDE, our dark elves are going to love nature and be the good guys, while our high elves are going to be evil demon worshippers!" "DUUUUDE!!!"

So everything I see someone ranting about how awesome the "lore" for Warcraft is, I just have to laugh in their face.

[Xilurm]

they went from a bunch of randomly vague imprisoned eldritch monsters to being part of a nigh-unstoppable all-encompassing fundamental force that is the ultimate evil of warcraft and the single biggest threat to all of existence


I mean before Chronicle you didnt hear Sargeras himself claim things like:
- "the only way to stop the OGs from succeeding is to cleanse the entire universe"
- "better all life dies then the OGs win"

now that is more or less the reality

nice job ignoring my whole post


how about the part where the pantheon is dead as a door nail while the OGs are still out there infesting the whole universe and the only 2 outcomes are: (1) either they succeed or (2) Sargeras cleanses all life first to stop them

You keep ignoring the fact that Sargeras doesn't want a Void Lord entering our universe. Just because the Old Gods can bring them to our universe doesn't mean that they are powerful. Infact the reason that they are more lame now is that they are just pawns in someone else's game.

By your logic Kel'thuzad was the ultimate evil because he was the only one who could summon Archimonde in Warcraft 3.

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everyone who likes their lore + everyone, period, when the N'Zoth/Azshara expansion comes

Don't act like you're representing everyones opinion, you're not.

[Zulkhan]

May I ask where you got this information?

He has carefully studied this.

[TyrannicalPuppy]

no. the scourge attacked the world in force and lost. The Olg Gods have corrupted being like Deathwing just by whispering to them. Y'sharrj had his entire body destroyed and he still plagued Pandaria and corrupted Garrosh. The Titans didn't "defeat" the old Gods. All they could do was imprison them within Azeroth, as the death of the old God's would have destroyed Azeroth as well.



I wouldnt consider Void Lords to be comparable to that. The Voidwalkers dont even follow the old Gods. Voidwalkers are the counterparts to the Naaru. When a Naaru dies, a Void God takes it's place. "without the Void, the Light cannot exist". When K'ure was dying, the energy being released from him was spawning Voidcallers.

The Burning Legion, more specifically the Nathrezim would be closer to the Outer Gods.

Void Lords =/= the greater voidwalkers, voidlords. Completely different entities.

The void counterpart of a Naaru is a Void GOD, not a voidwalker.

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no they didnt. The Void Lords are just stronger versions of the VoidWalkers. There is even a stronger version of the Void Lords called Void Gods, who are created when a Naaru dies. They don't exists outside our reality, they exist in the Void/Twisting Nether. It's a different Dimension, not reality.

The closest thing to an Outer God is the NATHREZIM. They work to undo what the Titans have created. The Voidwalkers/callers/lords/pudding has nothing to do with any of that. The Elder Gods oppose the Great ones and the Outer Gods. The Titans oppose the Old Gods and the Burning Legion/Nathrezim.

The Titans haven't done very much against the Voidwalkers themselves.

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They arent neutral. They are beings of chaos who feed on the living.

oh my god did you even open the brand new book yet

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Shadow, Storm and Stone doesnt say the Mogu killed Y'Shaarj alone. Especially since at the time the Mogu were afflicted by the curse of flesh. But anyways, Ra-den was the one who led the Mogu into that fight. They didn't do it alone, they had the power of a Titan Watcher with them.

Nope. That didn't happen until millenia later when Yogg created it in the Forge of Wills and some of the other Titanforged brought it down to them.

[death604]

they're still super strong... their minions alone are as strong as the watchers.... and don't forget how they made the elemental lords their b*tch

[diox990]

Hell, the Scourge could be a bigger threat now

Why do people like to overestimate the scourge's power?

I do agree about the old god's part tho, they don't feel like they are THAT big of a threat in comparison to the Void Lords.

and don't forget how they made the elemental lords their b*tch

Deathwing made Rag and Al'akir his b*tches too and so did we. To be fair the elemental lords had the same problem as the old gods, Blizz kept creating stronger enemies so the elemental lords aren't that threatening anymore.. a bit of spoilers ahead: just look at Neptulon in Legion, in the shaman's quest Neptulon is scared of the Legion and it like "nope, we lost" and didn't wanna help the shamans at the begining.

[TyrannicalPuppy]

Elune isn't the name of Azeroth's world-soul.

It's Azeroth.

People still think Elune is the Titan because the night elves heard her at the bottom of the well, without considering ANY other possibilities.

My new theory, which I'm sticking by until proven otherwise, is that Elune is essentially the cosmic version of the elemental lord of Spirit (cosmic only because Blizzard has said she's the one true deity of Warcraft), and that the Well of Eternity allowed some of the Spirit that the Titan-Soul had been consuming to escape back into the world. So, in essence, they're hearing both the dreams of the Titan (if the Emerald Dream was the Titan's dream before Freya shaped it) and the Spiritual whispers of Elune.

[death604]

Deathwing made Rag and Al'akir his b*tches too and so did we. To be fair the elemental lords had the same problem as the old gods, Blizz kept creating stronger enemies so the elemental lords aren't that threatening anymore.. a bit of spoilers ahead: just look at Neptulon in Legion, in the shaman's quest Neptulon is scared of the Legion and it like "nope, we lost" and didn't wanna help the shamans at the begining.

because that's deathwing, he's like the strongest villain we've ever fought.... and why is being afraid of the legion equals weakness?.... he's not that strong enough to fight archi, KJ, and Sargeras

[The Professional]

because that's deathwing, he's like the strongest villain we've ever fought.... and why is being afraid of the legion equals weakness?.... he's not that strong enough to fight archi, KJ, and Sargeras

The strongest villain we faced was the Lich King and he'll remain the strongest until the real Lich King shows up. Nothing dies or gets reanimated in the universe without his say. The Lich King one shotted the strongest beings in the universe (players) with ZERO EFFORT. Something not even Sargeras, Void Lords, nor the Dark Titans could even hope to do. Also don't forget Sargeras is scared of the Helm of Domination a.k.a the real Lich King. The Lich King is running on a higher density and the sword on his waist is the only thing keeping him from floating into space. Theres a reason why the Bolvar is holding back the Scourge in Legion because if he didn't than there won't be a expansion. If he let the Scourge loose than the Legion and everyone else in the universe would be consumed by the Undead Wave. The book also said the real Lich King is pure darkness, sparkless, glitterless, imagless, but still infinitely limitless.

[Deleted]

The strongest villain we faced was the Lich King and he'll remain the strongest until the real Lich King shows up. The Lich King one shotted the strongest beings in the universe (players) with ZERO EFFORT.

This was just a gameplay mechanic, and even if you want to attribute it to lore, it was Frostmourne that one-shot the players, not the Lich King. He was just holding it at the time.

The strongest single being we've ever fought was Deathwing. That's pretty much easily established. It required an enormous amount of outside effort and sacrifice to defeat him. The villains in WoW have never been a threat because of their singular power alone. Deathwing is the only villain we've fought who was capable of just getting up and destroying the world himself. It's almost always their armies that were the threat. The burning Legion, the scourge, the elementals, etc. Our little 20 man strike team of heroes can't really deal with an army, but they can deal with the 1 dude controlling it.

[Verzen]

they went from a bunch of randomly vague imprisoned eldritch monsters to being part of a nigh-unstoppable all-encompassing fundamental force that is the ultimate evil of warcraft and the single biggest threat to all of existence


I mean before Chronicle you didnt hear Sargeras himself claim things like:
- "the only way to stop the OGs from succeeding is to cleanse the entire universe"
- "better all life dies then the OGs win"

now that is more or less the reality

""better all life dies then the OGs win""

So Sarg is on the OGs side?

[The Professional]

This was just a gameplay mechanic, and even if you want to attribute it to lore, it was Frostmourne that one-shot the players, not the Lich King. He was just holding it at the time.

The strongest single being we've ever fought was Deathwing. That's pretty much easily established. It required an enormous amount of outside effort and sacrifice to defeat him. The villains in WoW have never been a threat because of their singular power alone. Deathwing is the only villain we've fought who was capable of just getting up and destroying the world himself. It's almost always their armies that were the threat. The burning Legion, the scourge, the elementals, etc. Our little 20 man strike team of heroes can't really deal with an army, but they can deal with the 1 dude controlling it.

Than why did the good book said even Sargeras and the Void Lords fear the Lich King? Do you think Deathwing is stronger than Sargeras and the Void Lords because the Lich King has more power than them and if you think Deathwing is stronger than the King of the Dead than you will also think Deathwing is way beyond Sargeras and the Void Lords. Sargeras would one shot cleave aoe splash damage Deathwing to death, 10x worst than what the Dragonsoul did. Deathwing has no chance to stop Sargeras or a Void Lord, let along the Lich King which both the Void and Sargeras fears.

[Deleted]

Behind the bad guy there is another bad guy concepts, I've grown to feel that these creatures are not nearly as menancing anymore.

The titans didn't even fight them themselves. They created titanic watchers and mogu, and they single handedly defeated them all
They don't nearly seem as powerful as they used to be

Hell, the Scourge could be a bigger threat now

The Pantheon grew concerned that the Old God would overwhelm their servants. Aman'Thul himself reached down through Azeroth's stormy skies and took hold of Y'Shaarj's writhing body. With a heave of his mighty arm, he tore the Old God from the crust of the world. In that moment, Yshaarj's gargantuan bulk was ripped apart.

Ie he got pulled apart with little effort, and that was the strongest old god on Azeroth.

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Than why did the good book said even Sargeras and the Void Lords fear the Lich King? Do you think Deathwing is stronger than Sargeras and the Void Lords because the Lich King has more power than them and if you think Deathwing is stronger than the King of the Dead than you will also think Deathwing is way beyond Sargeras and the Void Lords. Sargeras would one shot cleave Deathwing 10x worst than what the Dragonsoul did. Deathwing has no chance to stop Sargeras or a Void Lord, let along the Lich King which both the Void and Sargeras fears.

I didn't read anywhere in the book where it said that Sargeras fears the LK. Tell me on what page pls. Looking at the index of the book, the character Lich King is not discussed. I'm gonna reread all sargeras pages just in case.

[Dreadlack]

Than why did the good book said even Sargeras and the Void Lords fear the Lich King? Do you think Deathwing is stronger than Sargeras and the Void Lords because the Lich King has more power than them and if you think Deathwing is stronger than the King of the Dead than you will also think Deathwing is way beyond Sargeras and the Void Lords. Sargeras would one shot cleave aoe splash damage Deathwing to death, 10x worst than what the Dragonsoul did. Deathwing has no chance to stop Sargeras or a Void Lord, let along the Lich King which both the Void and Sargeras fears.

Why would Sargeras ever fear the Lich King? in worst case he would just cleave the entire planet killing everything on it. It's like comparing a t-rex to an ant.

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Why would Sargeras ever fear the Lich King? in worst case he would just cleave the entire planet killing everything on it. It's like comparing a t-rex to an ant.

Not to mention it was created by Kill'jaeden, who is quite a lot weaker compared to Sargeras..

I'm sure Sargeras can strip the LK essence and consume it's power if he wanted to.