The reason why the Left wing ultimately always loses

[Deleted]

Oh, do not worry. @Mehrunes is going to take control of Poland and conquer, then give me dominion of Lithuania. I will fix all of Eastern Europe at that point.

How kind of you <3

Just make sure everyone value ends where their merit ends.

[Hooked]

The left wing always loses because the right wing always has the most industrial engineers. 97% of scientists are leftwingers, 97% of engineers are right wingers. I guess it could be that right wing people are more disciplined.

[TheBeardedOne]

Yea.

Failed policy.

Taxing big business scares them away.

On the contrary, it is the PROVEN best way to ruin an economy.

This is just utter bullshit perpetuated by mindless retards

[PC2]

This is just utter bullshit perpetuated by mindless retards

Form your own country and tax them at 100%. Since them being scared away is utter bullshit.

[Kagdar]

Be it Right or Left wing, the biggest problem in today's political views is that politicians don't really care about the well being of the country. They are in it for themselves and to make their friends rich.

If there wasn't so much greedy self-centered assholes making decisions both right and left wing views would actually work.

If big companies don't all keep money for their ceo and out of shore banks the gouv would make money out of those. And employees would get decent salaries that they would spend in the country thus creating a healthy economy.

But noooooo... Bosses just get bigger and bigger salaries and they relocate in other countries. So we don't get any benifit from this. They get cheap labor and tax heaven countries. Gouv get's nothing, employees aren't even in our country.

[Deleted]

The more left wingers i see post here, the more i realise why they will never win.

Quite simply put the vast majority of workers are low paid private sector workers.

These ordinary people, the taxpayer, wholely funds, through taxes, the public sector workforce.

When the Left Wing starts to get some power, they push for salary increases (through unions and strikes) and for more public sector numbers.

Well, guess what. When taxes start to rise and low paid private sector worker has to perform 2 jobs to pay the bills and they see the Left Wing spunk all the money away on welfare and immigrants whilst receiving high salaries themselves, the Right Wing goes on a rampage.

Do you Left Wingers not understand where your salary comes from, because some of the idiotic posts i see on here suggests not.

If you are a Left Winger and are interested in self preservation, the very first thing NOT to do is bite the hand that feeds you.

The ONLY way the Left Wing can be strong is through an economy with a strong private sector that creates enough wealth to pay for a strong public sector.

Back in cavemen days, the private sector came first. Man hunted. Council came second.

Please folks, try to remember that

left wing losses, because people like you dont understand how taxing works at all.


taxes are %tages, and therefore, a stepwise tax increase towards the bigger income people (i mean those with really buig incomes) is always beneficial for the poor workers, because:

while low paid will see an increase of taxes about 100dollar/year, big incomers will ahve an increase like 100ooo dollar/year, while those that have low paid jobs will get more help from the state, while the big income people dont qualify because they still have enough left even if they were taxed like 70% of their income.

the poor thing is, that the conservative always manages to fool the idiot poor workers with deranging the leftwing tax policy the way you did, and, convinces them, that "they just have to work harder and for less money to get finally wealthy" and the shitheads really belive it and go vote for the conservatives, whos sole purpose is to conserve the state as it is: people working poor and them getting rich by paying less and less loan.

i didnt see any buisinessman that payed more loans (besides for himself and his staff maybe) when they ended up with more profit than the year before.
its a lie, constantly told, that never once happened.

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left wing losses, because people like you dont understand how taxing works at all.


taxes are %tages, and therefore, a stepwise tax increase towards the bigger income people (i mean those with really buig incomes) is always beneficial for the poor workers, because:

while low paid will see an increase of taxes about 100dollar/year, big incomers will ahve an increase like 100ooo dollar/year, while those that have low paid jobs will get more help from the state, while the big income people dont qualify because they still have enough left even if they were taxed like 70% of their income.

the poor thing is, that the conservative always manages to fool the idiot poor workers with deranging the leftwing tax policy the way you did, and, convinces them, that "they just have to work harder and for less money to get finally wealthy" and the shitheads really belive it and go vote for the conservatives, whos sole purpose is to conserve the state as it is: people working poor and them getting rich by paying less and less loan.

i didnt see any buisinessman that payed more loans (besides for himself and his staff maybe) when they ended up with more profit than the year before.
its a lie, constantly told, that never once happened.

Disposable income.

Trot along and research my young padawan.

[Deleted]

Wait, i thought that greece was bad because of the bankers,

Not bankers. German bankers.

Germany is ruled by the left.

Anyway OP point is moot: History does not favor left or right wingers, each regime is bound to be replaced by the next.

[Krille]

The more left wingers i see post here, the more i realise why they will never win.

Quite simply put the vast majority of workers are low paid private sector workers.

These ordinary people, the taxpayer, wholely funds, through taxes, the public sector workforce.

When the Left Wing starts to get some power, they push for salary increases (through unions and strikes) and for more public sector numbers.

Well, guess what. When taxes start to rise and low paid private sector worker has to perform 2 jobs to pay the bills and they see the Left Wing spunk all the money away on welfare and immigrants whilst receiving high salaries themselves, the Right Wing goes on a rampage.

Do you Left Wingers not understand where your salary comes from, because some of the idiotic posts i see on here suggests not.

If you are a Left Winger and are interested in self preservation, the very first thing NOT to do is bite the hand that feeds you.

The ONLY way the Left Wing can be strong is through an economy with a strong private sector that creates enough wealth to pay for a strong public sector.

Back in cavemen days, the private sector came first. Man hunted. Council came second.

Please folks, try to remember that

So much incorrect info in this op. More tax on the ultra rich, more money to spend on infrastructure, schools, hospitals, social security. The working class labor is not increasingly taxed in a left wing society. Do you understand that the richer the poor gets, the more the country gains? Meanwhile, the rich has been shown in studies to mostly sit on their wealth, not spending it, thus the money is kind of worthless for a society. It needs to be spent to be worth something.

Also, in a really left-wing society, the workers own the means of production. Which basically means they get all the money from what they produce, not the factory owner, because there is none. So please keep on telling me how the working class "hate" a left society, you obviously got no clue.

[Macaquerie]

Strictly speaking neither the left nor the right wing actually "wins" in the long run, it's more that the definitions of left and right shift over time to maintain a rough parity in terms of power and influence, which helps to ensure a healthy democracy.

[Krille]

They're helping people for earning god's favor, they're doing it as part of charity, not for a social safety net.

This is basically what religion is today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon. A way to keep the people in check, some holy God is watching you, better behave.

[Alteiry]

The more left wingers i see post here, the more i realise why they will never win.

Quite simply put the vast majority of workers are low paid private sector workers.

These ordinary people, the taxpayer, wholely funds, through taxes, the public sector workforce.

When the Left Wing starts to get some power, they push for salary increases (through unions and strikes) and for more public sector numbers.

Well, guess what. When taxes start to rise and low paid private sector worker has to perform 2 jobs to pay the bills and they see the Left Wing spunk all the money away on welfare and immigrants whilst receiving high salaries themselves, the Right Wing goes on a rampage.

Do you Left Wingers not understand where your salary comes from, because some of the idiotic posts i see on here suggests not.

If you are a Left Winger and are interested in self preservation, the very first thing NOT to do is bite the hand that feeds you.

The ONLY way the Left Wing can be strong is through an economy with a strong private sector that creates enough wealth to pay for a strong public sector.

Back in cavemen days, the private sector came first. Man hunted. Council came second.

Please folks, try to remember that

Yeah, this is the problem, it isn't the private sector that creates wealth, it's the middle-class. Consumer spending is what drives the economy, and when consumers don't have any money to spend because they work two jobs and can barely afford to pay their bills, the economy slows down.

[Hooked]

women on the right are usually better looking on average than women on the left. Class and manners mean a lot. Women on the left are in most cases easier though, so I guess they have the advantage in politics when swaying the younger crowd.

[Orbitus]

Always? The left needs to start owning Hitler.

Hitler wasn't left wing. He was a fascist right wing. The only people that don't want to believe that are the people that like to deny evidence like you.

[Tailswipe]

Hitler wasn't left wing. He was a fascist right wing. The only people that don't want to believe that are the people that like to deny evidence like you.

Hitler was neither left nor right wing. Officially the nazi party was syncretic.

[Orbitus]

women on the right are usually better looking on average than women on the left. Class and manners mean a lot. Women on the left are in most cases easier though, so I guess they have the advantage in politics when swaying the younger crowd.

Yeah now you are just making shit up. Have you seen Swedish women? Sweden is probably one of the most liberal countries in the world and they have some of the hottest women in the world. I even just looked up your "top 20 hottest conservative women" and they listed the horse faced Ann Coulter on their list.

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Hitler was neither left nor right wing. Officially the nazi party was syncretic.

And you would be wrong. Hitler was a fascist. Fascism is extreme right wing. Which is what Donald Trump is treading into. Just because you are trying to make up your own definitions, doesn't mean you can make up your own facts.

[Ravenblade]

Hitler was neither left nor right wing. Officially the nazi party was syncretic.

He was what we'd call in German "völkisch", which can be loosely translated to "people-oriented", it's an ideological movement which incorporates romantisation of folk and imagined ethnic values summarizing it as racially charged ethnocentrism. It's imperialism by people rather than by nation. It transcends the idea of a nation and declares that not national borders defines the lands of a people but the where the people are situationally but also feel spiritually rooted.

Yes, that movement was already seen as heavily right-wing during the Weimar Republic where it flourished. The reason why it existed was because, believe it or not, Germany had Jewish nationalists and the Völkisch ideology wanted to separate from that. When you drift more to the right than the already existing definition of far right then it doesn't change you into left or just more right, it makes you a rightwing extremist.

It also needs to be noted that in the 20s there was no strict differentiation into left and right going by social values the same way we are doing today. In fact, communists and Nazis in pre-3rd Reich Germany did not differ a lot going by basic social agendas, they were both rooted in the issues of that time. They differed in what it should be rooted: communism as defined by Marx and Engels and as practised by Leninist and later Stalinist Sovietunion or by merging ideals of ultra-traditionalism and grassroots socialism of Völkisch ideologists such as Johann Gottlieb Fichte. This is due to the fact that today we have a very much refined and bigger set of values assigned to the left and right spectrum. Stalinism and Nationalsocialism had many similarities even going as far that both wanted to create a new human being, the Stalinist worker was many among equals even within the nucleus of a family, the Nationalsocialist worker was supposed to be a supreme being of his race with the male at the top of every chain.

[Oktoberfest]

The more left wingers i see post here, the more i realise why they will never win.

Quite simply put the vast majority of workers are low paid private sector workers.

These ordinary people, the taxpayer, wholely funds, through taxes, the public sector workforce.

When the Left Wing starts to get some power, they push for salary increases (through unions and strikes) and for more public sector numbers.

Well, guess what. When taxes start to rise and low paid private sector worker has to perform 2 jobs to pay the bills and they see the Left Wing spunk all the money away on welfare and immigrants whilst receiving high salaries themselves, the Right Wing goes on a rampage.

Do you Left Wingers not understand where your salary comes from, because some of the idiotic posts i see on here suggests not.

If you are a Left Winger and are interested in self preservation, the very first thing NOT to do is bite the hand that feeds you.

The ONLY way the Left Wing can be strong is through an economy with a strong private sector that creates enough wealth to pay for a strong public sector.

Back in cavemen days, the private sector came first. Man hunted. Council came second.

Please folks, try to remember that

Dont bother. I gave up trying to change from within. The Left has gone so crazy that the only option is to oppose them or turn out like Soviet Union 1918

[Orbitus]

Hitler was neither left nor right wing. Officially the nazi party was syncretic.

You can try to spin it all you want, but the fact still remains that the Nazis were a far right wing party. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

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Dont bother. I gave up trying to change from within. The Left has gone so crazy that the only option is to oppose them or turn out like Soviet Union 1918

Pretty much everything he has said in this thread isn't true. Are you going to say he is right? Because that would make you wrong as well. Not entirely surprising with your posting history though.

[Noradin]

You can try to spin it all you want, but the fact still remains that the Nazis were a far right wing party. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

"Many scholars think Nazism was a form of far-right politics." <- that sentence from your link contradicts your point. It clearly shows that it is debatable whether they truly were right-wing and mostly depends on the exact definitions you use for those categories.