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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    I'm American and my ancestors are Mexicans and I don't feel any hatred from the guy. Most people associate illegals with Mexicans, so they just jump the gun and say he hates all immigrants and is racist. Why other Mexicans think they are a race is beyond me; ignorance is my guess.
    Of course that wall to Mexico shit does IN NO WAY mean that for him illegal immigrants equal to Mexicans. I have no words for this idiocy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    But Trump didn't exactly have to strain himself lifting the bar that high.
    Do you know his stance on healthcare? Do you know his stance on abortion? Do you know his stance on LGBT issues?

    He doesn't highlight them on the trail because they're not really popular with the grassroots of the Republican party. Be careful, Trump could be formidable in a general election. He has stances on issues that could pull votes out of both parties. If the Republican party gets fully behind him, he could get Democrats tired of the PC dribble we've been seeing and hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    To repeat myself, "As an Atheist I would be persecuted, imprisoned, or even publicly executed for my beliefs LEGALLY in most Muslim nations, and most of the "moderate" people that make up those countries would be fine with that. "
    I don't think it's most. You're referring to Totalitarian Theocracies, which being a bit left wing, I'm not going to support either. That's national leadership regimes though, it's not even what the Koran teaches, which would be to accept the non-Muslims and just tax them more (which isn't something I agree with either). By contrast, I'm opposed to the Death penalty; I don't hate all Americans for "supporting" it because the Federal Government use it.

    LEGALLY. IN MOST MUSLIM NATIONS. ie./ NOT A FEW "EXTREMISTS". Even in SA the other week there was news of another person getting thousands of lashes and 10 years for posting Atheist tweets. If you honestly think Muslim countries are all just the same and as accepting of other peoples viewes as everywhere in Europe and USA, but they just happen to worship a different God, you're an idiot.
    There are many that don't, many that do; there's an awful lot of them with varied levels of tolerance. Saudi Arabia and Iran are probably prime examples of 'least tolerant'. That doesn't mean they impose the same laws in the same ways as Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia for example. Whatever you've been told about Sharia.

    I don't hate Muslims, I just have serious issues with some of their belifs and I understand that many countries in the world are incredibly different to our own. Few people will admit this, even with overwhelming evidence.
    I am well aware they are very different countries. I'm also well aware that they don't singularly breed Islamist zealots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwal View Post
    It's probably a union worker, and they probably vote democrat.
    Lol with all the Hispanic hate on the right you can actually convince yourself of this. Amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heltoray View Post
    Of course that wall to Mexico shit does IN NO WAY mean that for him illegal immigrants equal to Mexicans. I have no words for this idiocy...
    Take a second to fix your sentence. I honestly can't comprehend what you're trying to say.

    I will try to extrapolate, and assume that building a wall between US and Mexico is racist because it only targets Mexican illegal immigrants. When you have a problem, you apply fixes that get you closest to fixing the problem. If the solution is to reduce the number of illegal aliens...

    and...

    Approximately 11 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be living in the United States. Estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center show the number of illegal immigrants has declined to 11.1 million in March 2009 from a peak of 12 million in March 2007. The majority of the illegal immigrants are from Mexico.
    ...the logical solution is to target Mexico first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Lol with all the Hispanic hate on the right you can actually convince yourself of this. Amazing.
    I've seen it, thus I believe it. Seeing one occurrence of it makes it a nation-wide problem right? You use hyperbole and assumptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwal View Post
    Do you know his stance on healthcare? Do you know his stance on abortion? Do you know his stance on LGBT issues?

    He doesn't highlight them on the trail because they're not really popular with the grassroots of the Republican party. Be careful, Trump could be formidable in a general election. He has stances on issues that could pull votes out of both parties. If the Republican party gets fully behind him, he could get Democrats tired of the PC dribble we've been seeing and hearing.
    He waffles on social issues, even sometimes in a single conversation. Other politicians may pander, Trump simply talks out of both sides of his mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwal View Post
    Take a second to fix your sentence. I honestly can't comprehend what you're trying to say.

    I will try to extrapolate, and assume that building a wall between US and Mexico is racist because it only targets Mexican illegal immigrants. When you have a problem, you apply fixes that get you closest to fixing the problem. If the solution is to reduce the number of illegal aliens...

    and...



    ...the logical solution is to target Mexico first.

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    I've seen it, thus I believe it. Seeing one occurrence of it makes it a nation-wide problem right? You use hyperbole and assumptions.
    Seeing Hispanic hate nationwide from the right vs seeing one union worker you assumed was left despite the Reicht wingers in unions too. Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    Sooo what's racist about that? It isn't like he's saying that to Mexicans, which is a nationality. Its not a race. There's whites, blacks, Hispanics, asians, and others that can live there too. If they have citizenship there then there Mexican too. He would be insulting everyone there because of their nationality not the races that reside there. And he is right. There's alot of problems with mexico. They're sending us criminals and rapists, and there sending us cartels.
    I have failed. I can not possibly facepalm this post hard enough.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Jobs that most Americans won't even work. You saw what happened in Alabama when they created harsh laws? The jobs vacated were ones no local American wanted to work. People want factory jobs. All of the hysteria about illegals happened when the factory jobs were disappearing and the big corporations shipping them overseas needed a scapegoat so the unemployed blue collars would blame someone other than them. But the migrants work harsh agriculture jobs. Not factory jobs. Still, the uneducated took the bait and blamed the migrants for all the disappearing factory jobs. We now know where those jobs went and why, but people still look for someone to blame other than the OWNERS. Wonder why...
    12 million undocumented workers are not all working on the farm, lets be real. No American wants these jobs because they cant support a family with them. But you will glady support undocumented workers being exploited to fill these jobs? You should be outraged! From illegal immigrants, outsourcing and H1B Visa workers, American Workers are getting the shaft and nobody cares and not one politician has a plan to fix any of it. Except make 12 million people legal which grants them to take higher paying jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Goes along the same vein as people trying to find and root out undocumented migrants and punish them, instead of punishing the business owners that hire them. Remove the ability for them to get jobs and they won't come here. Remove them from the country and they just jump right back over the border and get hired by the same guy.
    The federal government is complicit in this, we should enact tougher laws and enforce them.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    In all of this Trump hysteria, some local upstanding citizens (rednecks) took it upon themselves to go around and report every single undocumented migrant working in kitchens around here to the police. The police did an investigation, and after they found no undocumented workers in the group of hispanic kitchen workers, they fined the rednecks basically for wasting police time and issued an apology to all of the documented migrant workers.

    The anti hispanic racist atmosphere Trump has created has gotten out of hand.
    Trump, didnt create this, dont try to make him the boogeyman because he is a lightning rod for hate. This has been an ongoing issue for decades. It came to the front under Bush and was talked about almost daily by Lou Dobbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    Nonthing in his speech has mentioned mestizo, Amerindian or Hispanic even. And Mexican is not a race it is a nationality l, so technically it isn't racism by definition. Being Mexican is as much of a race as an American. Same goes for Muslims they're not a race but a religious group.
    All of that just makes him an ignorant racist (just like most of them), but a racist nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Aetheists worship the same God as what now?
    What, no, lol, muslims, jews and christians.
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    Trump does not like Mexicans, he's made that pretty damn clear. You can quibble over whether that's bigotry mased on race, ethnicity, or nationality... but in the end, it's still bigotry.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Lol with all the Hispanic hate on the right you can actually convince yourself of this. Amazing.
    Hispanic hate on the right? Guess that's why Marco Rubio lost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I love how so far no one has been able to actually show he is a racist but you get some posters repeating it back and forth to each other to reaffirm their beliefs.

    Its just so delightful to watch.
    And again, because I don't have the patience or energy to type out the same example on every single thread where some claims Donald Trump doesn't say racist things, I will quote my own post showing a couple of his greatest hits. You can pretend all day long it hasn't happened, and I know ignorance is bliss, but the information is out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Nurot View Post
    “They don’t look like Indians to me,” Trump told the House Native American Affairs subcommittee in a 1993 inquiry about organized crime and policing in Indian casinos dug up by the Hartford Courant’s Dan Haar. “They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”

    Trump’s remarks went on for an hour, and included unsubstantiated allegations that the mafia had infiltrated Indian casinos. Many in Congress were shocked by Trump’s irresponsibility.

    At the time, Trump had plans to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with the Pequots’ nearby Foxwood Casino. Trump also operated the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0923c12bf0688

    But Trump has been called out several times for racial insensitivity by former co-workers and civil rights activists. In 1991, Trump was accused of making racial slurs against black people in a book written by John R. O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, called “Trumped!” O’Donnell wrote that Trump once said, in reference to a black accountant at Trump Plaza, “laziness is a trait in blacks.” He also told O’Donnell: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

    Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee but he didn’t deny allegations made in the book during an interview with Playboy magazine in 1999:

    “Nobody has had worse things written about them than me,” Trump says. “And here I am. The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true. The guy’s a fucking loser. A fucking loser. I brought the guy in to work for me; it turns out he didn’t know that much about what he was doing. I think I met the guy two or three times total. And this guy goes off and writes a book about me, like he knows me!”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_855553.html

    All of us already knew that Donald Trump lacked a filter, but with this racist and grossly inaccurate tweet, with a stereotypical photo of a black man in a gangster costume and fake crime stats that someone literally pulled out of thin air, we now see that Trump will say or do anything to appeal to his racist base.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2443413

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    Trump is so racist that for him mexican = latino. and we dont speak spanish we speak mexican also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daish View Post
    illegal immigrants from all over the world gain access to the USA though the Mexican border more then any other location

    it has nothing to do with Mexican people or their culture

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    yes stuff people have said 20+ years ago is very important

    you sure proved the point that most anti-trump supporters speak nothing but nonsense
    Yes, because racists often are not racist 15 years later when they're still re-tweeting made up statistics posted by neo-nazis. People in their 50s suddenly change their world views when they turn 70 all the time, especially without proof (or the opposite of)?

    But nice not proving any point besides that once again Trump supporters will convince themselves of ANYTHING to provide him a free pass because he's a celebrity. Excellent rambling about "nonsense" you sure proved that he's reformed.

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    Even if Donald Trump is not himself prejudiced, he's building his campaign on the back of racial/ethnic/religious/nationalist prejudice. Empowering prejudice is even worse than being prejudiced yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daish View Post
    yes he is "SOOOOOOOOOOOOO" racist that you need to go back more then two decades to find quotes that look racist

    Clap Clap
    He re-tweeted the false statistic, originally posted by a neo-nazi a few months back.

    Thanks for clapping though.
    Last edited by -Nurot; 2016-03-21 at 04:03 PM.

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    Why anyone would think Trump supporters are racists, with the threads they start on a hourly basis ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwal View Post
    Do you know his stance on healthcare? Do you know his stance on abortion? Do you know his stance on LGBT issues?
    Actually yes. That was a joke aimed at Cruz being ultra-conservative. Being less conservative than Cruz is childishly easy.
    Last edited by Breccia; 2016-03-21 at 04:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    He waffles on social issues, even sometimes in a single conversation. Other politicians may pander, Trump simply talks out of both sides of his mouth.
    It's not enough to say that Trump 'waffles' or 'panders' - Trump is a liar; almost compulsively so, even when it comes to backing up his own promises to his Stormtrumpers.

    “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise.” (video link, youtube)

    "I never said I was going to pay for fees." (video and text link, ABC News)

    It's an old joke, only in Trump's case it is no joke: How do you know Trump is lying? His mouth is moving.

    In a way, I suppose its a good thing - someone with Trump's violent, nationalist, populist platform and campaign style might very well succeed in seizing power in the US with a mix of popular support and threats, but I think Trump's habitual chicanery, is likely to undercut his own success.
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