The RED SCARE in America was the dumbest thing.

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Most sane people realize this, the way sane people realize unregulated free market does not work.

Actually no, most sane think that quote is just narrow-minded and stupid, just cause some random on a forum can't see communism work doesn't mean that it will "NEVER happen or work". Do you actually believe that one guy you quoted has all knowledge of the entire future of humanity? thousands of years from now?

[Kaleredar]

The worst part about the Red Scare is people think it's still on-going and that any slightly socialist policy will turn us into the United Soviet States of America.

It's interesting that those same people usually also look up to Putin as being the model of a strong leader and think that Obama is "too weak."

[Tijuana]

It seems people are more focused on names rather than actual practiced policy. It was more or less the same system that the US uses today. Heavy capitalism based with some socialism lite sprinkled in.

My original point was tyrants kill, not economic policy, which nobody has really argued against. They've just gotten caught up in naming exactly what Hitler was, since that's some kind of point they can play strawman with.

Do you even free market, bro?

You original point is true on paper. But, in practice, 100% of communist regimes started with bloody revolts, proceeded to mass murder, then went on about their business, either continuing the killing or not, depending on the leaders.

[BuckSparkles]

Actually no, most sane think that quote is just narrow-minded and stupid, just cause some random on a forum can't see communism work doesn't mean that it will "NEVER happen or work". Do you actually believe that one guy you quoted has all knowledge of the entire future of humanity? thousands of years from now?

Tell me how communism can work when humans have greed, pride, and ego?

No, seriously. Tell me how it can work when some people will always want -more- than the next person? Or that some people are naturally lazy and will do less?

No matter what you do, even if you made everybody in a country have the exactly same amount of wealth, and gave production "to the people", in a few years, there will be people with more wealth and power, and there will be people with less.

Communism is a fairy tale. It is because of reality and human nature.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

It was more or less the same system that the US uses today.

So labor strikes are banned, and the government is working to close large department stores in favor of smaller local businesses?

[Heladys]

Have we ever seen Communism without Authoritarians?

Not on any large scale. On small scales, yes. The whole "communism doesn't work" meme comes from the inherent failures of scaling it up to country-size implementation.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Not giving any credit to communism.

Or you are believing communism can work in reality.

Nobody should believe communism works, in the same vein no one should believe pure capitalist systems do either. Free market advocates are just as delusional as communists.

[Breccia]

It seems people are more focused on names rather than actual practiced policy.

Wait, was the back-and-forth really just:
Batman: Hitler was a capitalist.
Thread: What? No he wasn't.
Batman: He hated communism.
Thread: That doesn't make him a capitalist.
Batman: You're so focused on names.

Hitler was not a communist. He was not a capitalist. He was not a socialist. He was a Nazi. The rest is immaterial.

And so we're clear, capitalism is "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market" If you think Hitler was a capitalist, then I challenge you to explain his two most famous inventions, the car of the people or "Volks wagen", and the munitions provided by slave labor from internment camps.

EDIT: In fact, here, read this 1932 Nazi propoganda and then get back to this.

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You original point is true on paper. But, in practice, 100% of communist regimes started with bloody revolts, proceeded to mass murder, then went on about their business, either continuing the killing or not, depending on the leaders.

Your ignorance doesn't count as proof man. I really don't know how many regime changes you studied, but just cause you don't know about communism government that started without a revolution doesn't mean it doesn't exist and it doesn't excuse all the capitalist regimes that started with bloody revolutions.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Give me a break. You called him a capitalist which is laughably false. Also, economic policy certainly does kill - see the famines caused by Stalin's and Mao's policies as many here have noted.

The famines were due to extreme lack of resources, which countries often go through regardless of economic policy. When an entire country lacks in resources, no economic policy can turn that around. Famines have occurred throughout history in countries with very diverse economic policy. The economic policy is often blamed, when people either see tyrants or trade barons feasting while they starve.

[Macaquerie]

Tell me how communism can work when humans have greed, pride, and ego?

No, seriously. Tell me how it can work when some people will always want -more- than the next person? Or that some people are naturally lazy and will do less?

No matter what you do, even if you made everybody in a country have the exactly same amount of wealth, and gave production "to the people", in a few years, there will be people with more wealth and power, and there will be people with less.

Communism is a fairy tale. It is because of reality and human nature.

Actual communism as it was practiced during the Cold War has long been discredited. However, the practice of certain people to label as communism anything that even dares to promote any kind of redistribution of wealth, no matter how small in scale or for what ends will naturally lead people to sympathize with what they've heard being labeled as "communist" their entire lives.

[Dsc]

McCarthy was right. Nikita Khrushchev did exactly what he said he'd do.

Infiltrated universities, political offices, and the media.

He crushed what made America great from the inside. Our values, family, education system and economy were destroyed by communist, eg. Leftist Marxist "progressive" stolen Liberal titles. (PS Thomas Jefferson was a liberal these people are not. Educate yourselves)

We are living with the fruits of the kgb infiltration today. Our worthless, lazy, crybaby ,sensitive Millenials generation and Obama Sanders and Hildawitch are proof. )

[Tijuana]

Nobody should believe communism works, in the same vein no one should believe pure capitalist systems do either. Free market advocates are just as delusional as communists.

Only when you misrepresent them. I have never heard a single person in my entire life call for 100% unrestricted free markets. When people say free market, they mean free enough to actually function and to gain the benefits of true competition. You sound like one of those people who hate capitalism because you hate crony capitalism, which is really socialism lite.

[Acidbaron]

Actually no, most sane think that quote is just narrow-minded and stupid, just cause some random on a forum can't see communism work doesn't mean that it will "NEVER happen or work". Do you actually believe that one guy you quoted has all knowledge of the entire future of humanity? thousands of years from now?

Every time we unregulated the market we get a crisis. The market has shown itself that it cannot operate without watchdogs in place and i'm not sure unless you're a board member of a large bank why anyone would want a free market as such groups lobby for.

[Tijuana]

Every time we unregulated the market we get a crisis. The market has shown itself that it cannot operate without watchdogs in place and i'm not sure unless you're a board member of a large bank why anyone would want a free market as such groups lobby for.

The market has never been unregulated. Unregulated to a Democrat means we didn't get all the regulations we wanted, and they only had to file daily proof of compliance in duplicate, instead of notarized triplicate.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Wait, was the back-and-forth really just:
Batman: Hitler was a capitalist.
Thread: What? No he wasn't.
Batman: He hated communism.
Thread: That doesn't make him a capitalist.
Batman: You're so focused on names.

Hitler was not a communist. He was not a capitalist. He was not a socialist. He was a Nazi. The rest is immaterial.

And so we're clear, capitalism is "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market" If you think Hitler was a capitalist, then I challenge you to explain his two most famous inventions, the car of the people or "Volks wagen", and the munitions provided by slave labor from internment camps.

His policy focused around an economy similar to America for native born German Aryans, supported by the slave labor of unwanted immigrants. The policy for the native born Germans was pretty close to capitalist without being ultra free market.

If the Nazi policy could not be summed up as capitalist, then neither Mao nor Stalin could be summed up as communist, as they too greatly deviated from communism. So are we going to mince terms, or talk points?

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The market has never been unregulated. Unregulated to a Democrat means we didn't get all the regulations we wanted, and they only had to file daily proof of compliance in duplicate, instead of notarized triplicate.

And no system has ever been truly communist.

As I said, advocates of complete deregulation are just as delusional as purist communists.

[Tijuana]

His policy focused around an economy similar to America for native born German Aryans, supported by the slave labor of unwanted immigrants. The policy for the native born Germans was pretty close to capitalist without being ultra free market.

If the Nazi policy could not be summed up as capitalist, then neither Mao nor Stalin could be summed up as communist, as they too greatly deviated from communism. So are we going to mince terms, or talk points?

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And no system has ever been truly communist.

As I said, advocates of complete deregulation are just as delusional as purist communists.

I have literally never heard anyone call for zero regulation. That would be anarchy. You are fighting a straw man, and somehow still getting beat up.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Only when you misrepresent them. I have never heard a single person in my entire life call for 100% unrestricted free markets. When people say free market, they mean free enough to actually function and to gain the benefits of true competition. You sound like one of those people who hate capitalism because you hate crony capitalism, which is really socialism lite.

And yet that true competition can never exist with humans involved. Greed stifles competition. You sound like the communists when they say "it can work, you just didn't do it right!"

[Deleted]

Tell me how communism can work when humans have greed, pride, and ego?

No, seriously. Tell me how it can work when some people will always want -more- than the next person? Or that some people are naturally lazy and will do less?

No matter what you do, even if you made everybody in a country have the exactly same amount of wealth, and gave production "to the people", in a few years, there will be people with more wealth and power, and there will be people with less.

Communism is a fairy tale. It is because of reality and human nature.

You're asking a guy one the internet to "solve communism" else this is the ultimate proof it can NEVER EVER WORK NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.
If your argument is that the communism gets corrupt by people that goes for ANY system, even the capitalist one that you praise but here is actually hidden, each system has a type of honey to attract flies, just that in this case you don't realize it. It's really arrogant, and dumb, to think you know everything, to think you'll know what kind of system will be the most adequate after say ...a robot revolution, or whatever revolution will take place a couple of hundred years from now.

Also equal wealth (or more accurately pay) has nothing to do with communism, you still have janitors who earn less than directors even in communist societies, always did.

[Tijuana]

And yet that true competition can never exist with humans involved. Greed stifles competition. You sound like the communists when they say "it can work, you just didn't do it right!"

What are you talking about? True competition can and does currently exist, with some exceptions. Greed does not stifle competition, it creates it. It's like you are unaware of the simple fact that you can either charge more for your product and make more per unit, or you can charge less for your product and sell more units. You should really just stop now as you have no inkling at all what so ever of how business and economies work.