College student wants free college&15 Dollars min wage has no idea how to pay for it

[ati87]

Sums up the left today. Emotion based logic is a failure. Social Justice idiocy.

This generation of college students is the worst that I have ever seen.

A good thing that Bernie Sanders knows how to pay for it then.

This student isn't making a living by promoting a idea so unlike Republican politicians and pundits she can be forgiven when isn't able to answer every question.

[nightfalls]

I can sponsor a scholarship but I want to help multiple people.

You can sponsor a scholarship that helps multiple people. (derp?) You don't have to sponsor $50,000 for one person, it can be as simple as $100 for multiple recipients.

I'd pay a 50% tax to have healthcare, college and dental covered. You would save money in the long run and have a more prosperous and educated populous. Socialism isn't a bad system.

Then put your money where your mouth is, and show me your tax statements that have you donating 50% of your income (less your own personal healthcare, college, and dental bills) to such causes.

Because I sure as hell don't want to pay that 50% tax, I'll be honest. If you want to effectively pay it, there's nothing stopping you now.

Oh what's that, you aren't? Right - you don't really want to pay it, you just want everyone else to.

[Captain N]

Waving away the Cato Institute Graph (Shame on you Spectral) The last few years have shown a decline in the spending of K-12 Education since a majority of its funding has come through taxes. Even in States where they increased the cost per pupil it still hasn't been enough to make up for the lost funding from the previous years.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/most-st...-the-recession

At least 35 states are providing less funding per student for the 2013-14 school year than they did before the recession hit. Fourteen of these states have cut per-student funding by more than 10 percent. (These figures, like all the comparisons in this paper, are in inflation-adjusted dollars and focus on the primary form of state aid to local schools.)
At least 15 states are providing less funding per student to local school districts in the new school year than they provided a year ago. This is despite the fact that most states are experiencing modest increases in tax revenues.
Where funding has increased, it has generally not increased enough to make up for cuts in past years. For example, New Mexico is increasing school funding by $72 per pupil this year. But that is too small to offset the state’s $946 per-pupil cut over the previous five years.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dat...n-all-spending

Over the last five years, Congress has cut federal funding for K-12 education by nearly 20 percent, about five times more than overall spending cuts, according to a new report.



This isn't even including the various jobs cut in order to make up for the cuts to funding.

[spinner981]

start by addressing why certain products and services cost so much to begin with. instead of figuring out how to pay for insane college costs, make them not cost so much in the first place. there's many reasons for it and they aren't going to change on their own. they'll have to be forced by law.

Forcing them to lower their costs is a really good way to also lower the quality of education and make a bunch of people lose their jobs at the same time.

[Spectral]

Waving away the Cato Institute Graph (Shame on you Spectral) The last few years have shown a decline in the spending of K-12 Education since a majority of its funding has come through taxes. Even in States where they increased the cost per pupil it still hasn't been enough to make up for the lost funding from the previous years.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/most-st...-the-recession

At least 35 states are providing less funding per student for the 2013-14 school year than they did before the recession hit. Fourteen of these states have cut per-student funding by more than 10 percent. (These figures, like all the comparisons in this paper, are in inflation-adjusted dollars and focus on the primary form of state aid to local schools.)
At least 15 states are providing less funding per student to local school districts in the new school year than they provided a year ago. This is despite the fact that most states are experiencing modest increases in tax revenues.
Where funding has increased, it has generally not increased enough to make up for cuts in past years. For example, New Mexico is increasing school funding by $72 per pupil this year. But that is too small to offset the state’s $946 per-pupil cut over the previous five years.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dat...n-all-spending

Over the last five years, Congress has cut federal funding for K-12 education by nearly 20 percent, about five times more than overall spending cuts, according to a new report.

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This isn't even including the various jobs cut in order to make up for the cuts to funding.

Why are you looking at state-level spending? This slices out federal and local spending. Federal spending rose sharply during the recession to compensate for state-level cuts.

Also, outright waving data away because you don't like it is a really shitty discussion move. Why would you expect anyone to respond without doing the same? The CBPP is emphatically not a non-partisan source. They're reasonably decent, but no less partisan than Cato.

[Captain N]

Why are you looking at state-level spending? This slices out federal and local spending. Federal spending rose sharply during the recession to compensate for state-level cuts.

Also, outright waving data away because you don't like it is a really shitty discussion move. Why would you expect anyone to respond without doing the same? The CBPP is emphatically not a non-partisan source. They're reasonably decent, but no less partisan than Cato.

My links covered both State and Federal Spending.

Am I to guess that you're aiming for a for profit private system which is what the Cato Institute has been wanting for years?

[slime]

Many of the big colleges in the US give you free tuition if your family makes less than $65K a year. Yale, Harvard Standford, all of those. State colleges are very affordable for people who live in the state. And then there is the community college system which is practically free and designed to give you the first two years of college so that when you go on to a four year school you start as a junior instead of a freshman.

There are also all kinds of scholarships and grants.

My personal path in the US was to join the military for the GI bill, the government will pay for your college education if you serve in the military. I think I had to contribute a little money out of my paycheck. I then went to community college for two years which was practically free and then off to a four year school.

You are Mythic raiding sir.... In a world of LFR raiders looking for free handouts. You are simply the rare one.

[klogaroth]

Ideas wouldn't be ideas if we already knew how to implement them.

They'd be plans, or already a reality.

Don't have ideas if you don't already know how to accomplish them is a stupid message. Also one that's at odds with how politics works.

[Locruid]

Most college women already have a free college, it's called Sugar Daddy

I know one gal that will remove all her clothes in your apartment whenever she is home for free rent (she'll still pay utilities and food). but to "give" her a room she'll not wear any clothing at all while home and promises to eat dinner at the table and watch tv most nights. It's a really fascinating arrangement lol with absolutely NO sex promised. To each their own.....

[Spectral]

My links covered both State and Federal Spending.

I'm not seeing data that shows total spending by year. I see a few different graphs, but the fact that they use different timelines for them makes me very suspicious of selective endpoints. The overall trend over any long stretch of time has obviously been a steep rise in education spending.

Am I to guess that you're aiming for a for profit private system which is what the Cato Institute has been wanting for years?

I have no idea where you'd get this from. I've never said anything remotely like that. The American public education system is fine by me.

[Celista]

Most college women already have a free college, it's called Sugar Daddy

I know one gal that will remove all her clothes in your apartment whenever she is home for free rent (she'll still pay utilities and food). but to "give" her a room she'll not wear any clothing at all while home and promises to eat dinner at the table and watch tv most nights. It's a really fascinating arrangement lol with absolutely NO sex promised. To each their own.....

That is basically akin to sex work/prostitution, to say that "most" college women do this is gross hyperbole...those sugar daddy websites are fucking creepy.

[Revi]

Random college student doesn't know how to solve this complex issue, so obviously it can't be done.

[Cheze]

according to the Sanders campaign, 'free' (read: heavily subsidized) college education could be provided for approximately $80b/year.

$80b is roughly the monthly cost of the war in iraq. It isn't some insane amount of money to spend on something which is worthwhile.

[Xeones]

according to the Sanders campaign, 'free' (read: heavily subsidized) college education could be provided for approximately $80b/year.

$80b is roughly the monthly cost of the war in iraq. It isn't some insane amount of money to spend on something which is worthwhile.

That also isn't new expenditures as those were costs already held by individuals.

[nightfalls]

Random college student doesn't know how to solve this complex issue, so obviously it can't be done.

There are good answers to the questions, but the problem is they involve concessions and compromises, something that not just this single student, but the majority of this movement, cannot seem to get behind.

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according to the Sanders campaign, 'free' (read: heavily subsidized) college education could be provided for approximately $80b/year.

According to the Sanders campaign, you should elect Bernie Sanders. According to the Trump campaign, Mexico will build a wall, and Trump's healthcare plan is "very good" for "very good people."

Campaigns tell the electorate, including you, what they want to hear. They are far from unbiased or reliable sources.

[Blur4stuff]

there's only several dozen other countries doing a better job at this than the usa. those opposing Sanders seem to be in this fantasy world where everyone else on the planet has failed. it's the same nonsense with healthcare.

[Spectral]

there's only several dozen other countries doing a better job at this than the usa. those opposing Sanders seem to be in this fantasy world where everyone else on the planet has failed. it's the same nonsense with healthcare.

When it comes to tertiary education, the only country that has a plausible claim to providing the same level of quality is the United Kingdom. Every other country's universities are inferior to state schools in the United States (see UNC Chapel Hill, Michigan Ann Arbor, and UT-Austin, and UW-Madison for some examples) and grossly inferior to the elite private institutions. There are no ranking systems that disagree with this assessment. American and British universities are significantly better than those in other countries.

[Shahad]

When it comes to tertiary education, the only country that has a plausible claim to providing the same level of quality is the United Kingdom. Every other country's universities are inferior to state schools in the United States (see UNC Chapel Hill, Michigan Ann Arbor, and UT-Austin, and UW-Madison for some examples) and grossly inferior to the elite private institutions. There are no ranking systems that disagree with this assessment. American and British universities are significantly better than those in other countries.

Looking at the QS World University Ranking for my field (Computer Science), ETH Zurich is 8th and University of Toronto is 11th on the overall score. I'm not sure I'm really seeing them being grossly inferior to even the top US/UK universities. Especially when it comes to undergraduate studies, I'm not sure university rankings matter overly much past a certain point, and that's when they aren't so biased as to be useless.

In any case, I'm pretty sure the person you were responding to was talking about the cost of higher education and how a lot of other countries are doing better, not the quality of the universities.

[Krille]

When it comes to tertiary education, the only country that has a plausible claim to providing the same level of quality is the United Kingdom. Every other country's universities are inferior to state schools in the United States (see UNC Chapel Hill, Michigan Ann Arbor, and UT-Austin, and UW-Madison for some examples) and grossly inferior to the elite private institutions. There are no ranking systems that disagree with this assessment. American and British universities are significantly better than those in other countries.

Rankings are often made out of how many scientific articles each University publish, afaik it doesn't take into account the amount of shit articles also written. And I wouldn't be surprised if these rankings are bought like buying marketing on Google. But it's true that your ELITE private schools are better, we mostly read articles written on Harvard in my courses. That said, i haven't used money from a bank account or pocket to pay for the education and i get 300 dollars a month for studying (can loan 600 dollars extra at 0% interest, which i do). And my school have consistently been ranked in the top 50s at least.

So it's not shit but it's no Harvard.

[kail]

Americans want to wipe out all of ISIS but do not know how to pay for it.

Simple, get the Middle East to pay for it! Kappa