Chronicles Mogu Empire Vs Scourge *Spoilers*

[Friendlyimmolation]

Did you say the scourge is more powerful than the legion? /sigh

[A Chozo]

Aerial attacks won't work against Lei Shen. Isle of Thunder proved that. But the underground-bit with the Nerubians was smart.
And yeah, a swarm of ghouls VS a normal mogu would be like a Protoss Zealot VS Zerglings. Can't know who would win without a simulation. The ground forces of the scourge would be the biggest threat, but one of their biggest strenghts is the ability to ressurect the fallen enemy - dead Zandalari would rise, but dead Mogu would just be back after a while from the Engine of Nalak'sha, since they'r masters in soul magicks.

And, if we learned something from Putress, is that the LK can be severely hurt if you don't engage him directly - that's where Mogu/Zandalari forces would triumph. LK is dangerous when you'r near him, with Frostmourne draining the souls of the victims, but we don't know if it works against Titanic constructs like Lei Shen/Mogus.

Also, the adventurers are quite awesome in Azeroth. They newest trick was defeating Archimonde with knives and fireballs. The LK got most of his life down before he unleashed his ultimate, and the blade proved to be his weak spot. It would be a interesting fight between Lei Shen and Lich King.

[The Professional]

Did you guys forget just how OP the Lich King is? Not even Sargeras or the Voids would be able to kill the raid when we finally fight them in WoW. The Mogu would have a better chance fighting the billions of Scourge minions than the Lich King himself cause he could easily solo the entire Mogu Empire including Lei Shen by himself without the Scourge even.

The Lich King one shoted the strongest heros in the universe with zero effort so whats stopping the Lich King from landing on the Pandaria shores alone than slowly walking his way up to Lei Shen's palace. He would one shot aoe every mogu forces that stands in his way until he eventually makes it to Lei Shen's throne room and one shots him too and steal his throne and treasures and lock his ass up in a cage. Afterwards the Lich king has total control of the Thunder God's powers, combined with his godlike necromancy and frostmourne, he would be the strongest being in the universe.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Did you guys forget just how OP the Lich King is? Not even Sargeras or the Voids would be able to kill the raid when we finally fight them in WoW. The Mogu would have a better chance fighting the billions of Scourge minions than the Lich King himself cause he could easily solo the entire Mogu Empire including Lei Shen by himself without the Scourge even.

The Lich King one shoted the strongest heros in the universe with zero effort so whats stopping the Lich King from landing on the Pandaria shores alone than slowly walking his way up to Lei Shen's palace. He would one shot aoe every mogu forces that stands in his way until he eventually makes it to Lei Shen's throne room and one shots him too and steal his throne and treasures and lock his ass up in a cage. Afterwards the Lich king has total control of the Thunder God's powers, combined with his godlike necromancy and frostmourne, he would be the strongest being in the universe.

And now were back to the bullshit we all know you for. Huzza.

[JTHMRulez1]

If the Mogu are so good at necromancy, why did they need the Zandalari to revive Lei Shen?

Because it's not the same to revive a random human than it is to revive an entity of the power of Lei Shen
Also. Only the trolls knew the secret to resurrect Lei Shen, because he himself give it to them because he knew that the Mogu would be too busy fighting each other.

Why did he ever die in the first place?

Because a titanic construct that was designed to wipe all life on Azeroth was turn on in his face. I want to see Arthas survive that.

[Vestig3]

Whichever one hires a group of 25 adventurers with Ventrilo the quickest.

Winner right here!

[wariofan1]

The Mogu would win, their allies are far superior to those of the Scourge (Zandalari vs Vrykul and Nerubians) and their soldiers are also much stronger individually. Lei Shen at his peak (when he had Aman'Thul's powers at his disposal) would mop the floor with Arthas too.

[Phazeblade]

Because a titanic construct that was designed to wipe all life on Azeroth was turn on in his face. I want to see Arthas survive that.

*insert British Bulldog head-canon were the lich-king(arthas) is unstoppable here, disregarding the fact that he's spent 3 expac's in a shallow grave*

[A Chozo]

Did you guys forget just how OP the Lich King is?

Arthas neared death countless times before, and he (the LK) was already proven to be killable. By Souls. The same souls released when Frostmourne was broken by a Paladin wielding a weapon with +200 Holy Damage. And the bulk of his health was taken alway by Adventurers.

-The blade can be broken.
-The knight can be damaged and killed.

How's that OP? The Burning Legion and the Void could obliterate the Scourge. The Mogu + Zandalari in their prime could win. It's only logical.

"But oh he would one-shot everything"
Alright, then by the power of physics, his blade would melt with the might of Lightning, and the souls trapped there would be manipulated by Mogu spellcasters to murder the knight.

[Wewlad]

The Lich King required a powerful MacGuffin(and its wielder)to defeat. Lei Shen was taken out by adventurers alone. End of story. We're also dealing with magic, and the Lich King =/= Arthas as a DK so most of the "close encounters" he faced are paltry for the Lich King.

Also, the Scourge was(and may yet be)a global threat whereas Lei Shen only threatened Pandaria for the most part. Arthas was toying with the adventurers while Lei Shen put everything he had into his encounter.

FFS people, all it takes is these simple facts to conclude this topic. None of this extremely speculative BS is substantiated.

[A Chozo]

The Lich King required a powerful MacGuffin(and its wielder)to defeat. Lei Shen was taken out by adventurers alone. End of story. We're also dealing with magic, and the Lich King =/= Arthas as a DK so most of the "close encounters" he faced are paltry for the Lich King.

Also, the Scourge was(and may yet be)a global threat whereas Lei Shen only threatened Pandaria for the most part. Arthas was toying with the adventurers while Lei Shen put everything he had into his encounter.

FFS people, all it takes is these simple facts to conclude this topic. None of this extremely speculative BS is substantiated.

Said powerful wielder and his McGuffin are as strong as your regular adventurer. And Lei Shen didn't threatened Pandaria. He conquered it. He, at his top, was a global threat, ended by the Halls of Origination. Their methods of advancement in the past aren't exactly relevant in a full-blown war speculated in this topic.

Both Lei Shen and the Lich King can be damaged by normal weapons and people. The difference between the two is mostly their attack methods: Lich King has a breakable weapon that is his weak spot. Lei Shen must be brought from 100 to 0 in one fight. The decision point is: Will Lei Shen be able to shater Frostmourne before LK uses it? ...And even the effectiveness of Frostmourne against Lei Shen is debatable since he's a Titan construct.

There wasn't even a chosen battleground for said war. Lich King is much weaker when he's far away from the Frozen Throne, for example.

All it takes is these simple deductions based on facts to discuss this topic, for it's a good discussion.

[Wewlad]

Said powerful wielder and his McGuffin are as strong as your regular adventurer. And Lei Shen didn't threatened Pandaria. He conquered it. He, at his top, was a global threat, ended by the Halls of Origination. Their methods of advancement in the past aren't exactly relevant in a full-blown war speculated in this topic.
Even h Lei Shen and the Lich King can be damaged by normal weapons and people. The difference between the two is mostly their attack methods: Lich King has a breakable weapon that is his weak spot. Lei Shen must be brought from 100 to 0 in one fight. The decision point is: Will Lei Shen be able to shater Frostmourne before LK uses it? ...And even the effectiveness of Frostmourne against Lei Shen is debatable since he's a Titan construct.

There wasn't even a chosen battleground for said war. Lich King is much weaker when he's far away from the Frozen Throne, for example.

All it takes is these simple deductions based on facts to discuss this topic, for it's a good discussion.

If Lei Shen had the Ashbringer or some other holy artifact of similar power then he could break Frostmourne. But he doesn't. And he conquered Pandaria of all places with little resistance where the people weren't really prepared. As soon as he challenged the Alliance and Horde, his forces were decimated almost as shamefully as the Iron Horde. Even with Zandalari aid. Chronicle doesn't change how impotent he was against actual enemies who are battle-hardened by many wars.

Also, the player Ashbringer won't ever achieve the scope of what Tirion did, if only that wasn't to be his last great blessing. So no, Tirion in his prime surpasses the adventurers until he spent himself completely.

And the Lich King was toying with the adventurers during the fight. Stop taking health bars as lore. He wiped them out in an instant and could have done so at any point. Lei Shen couldn't no matter how much he charged himself up.

[Drattz]

If Lei Shen had the Ashbringer or some other holy artifact of similar power then he could break Frostmourne. But he doesn't. And he conquered Pandaria of all places with little resistance where the people weren't really prepared. As soon as he challenged the Alliance and Horde, his forces were decimated almost as shamefully as the Iron Horde. Even with Zandalari aid. Chronicle doesn't change how impotent he was against actual enemies who are battle-hardened by many wars.

Also, the player Ashbringer won't ever achieve the scope of what Tirion did, if only that wasn't to be his last great blessing. So no, Tirion in his prime surpasses the adventurers until he spent himself completely.

And the Lich King was toying with the adventurers during the fight. Stop taking health bars as lore. He wiped them out in an instant and could have done so at any point. Lei Shen couldn't no matter how much he charged himself up.

Lei Shen in this scenario has the last spark of Aman'thul. Along with the power of Ra-den. This is not the Lei Shen we fought. If you want to take that away from him what do you want the Lich King to give up to make up for it? Frostmourne and the boost of power he gets from proximity to the Frozen Throne?

[Aeula]

The Mogu Empire easily.

Necromancy doesn't work on stone and even if it did the Thunder King has the soul of a freaking Titan!

The war'd be over in a few years.

[Candy Cough]

If Lei Shen had the Ashbringer or some other holy artifact of similar power then he could break Frostmourne. But he doesn't. And he conquered Pandaria of all places with little resistance where the people weren't really prepared. As soon as he challenged the Alliance and Horde, his forces were decimated almost as shamefully as the Iron Horde. Even with Zandalari aid. Chronicle doesn't change how impotent he was against actual enemies who are battle-hardened by many wars.

Also, the player Ashbringer won't ever achieve the scope of what Tirion did, if only that wasn't to be his last great blessing. So no, Tirion in his prime surpasses the adventurers until he spent himself completely.

And the Lich King was toying with the adventurers during the fight. Stop taking health bars as lore. He wiped them out in an instant and could have done so at any point. Lei Shen couldn't no matter how much he charged himself up.

Lich king killed us because it had to please fans, he's the most praised character in WoW, can you explain to me why no final fight in any of the WoW expansions have as much Polish as ICC did?
Deathwing and Archimonde is again like 10 times more powerful than him, and they got their asses handed to them because they didn't have nearly the same ammount of praise

[Mumba]

A hunter pet with some healing can kill The Lich King.

[Wewlad]

Lei Shen in this scenario has the last spark of Aman'thul. Along with the power of Ra-den. This is not the Lei Shen we fought. If you want to take that away from him what do you want the Lich King to give up to make up for it? Frostmourne and the boost of power he gets from proximity to the Frozen Throne?

Nothing substantiates your claim. Lei Shen had prepared for his death and there is no mention of him noting that he'd be weaker upon returning. If I missed such a mention in Chronicle then do provide a cited quote.

[Candy Cough]

Nothing substantiates your claim. Lei Shen had prepared for his death and there is no mention of him noting that he'd be weaker upon returning. If I missed such a mention in Chronicle then do provide a cited quote.

Your logic betrays you

Everyone in WoW that has been resurrected/returned in one way or another has become weaker than what they once were

Kael'thas is a pure example of this

[Friendlyimmolation]

Your logic betrays you

Everyone in WoW that has been resurrected/returned in one way or another has become weaker than what they once were

Kael'thas is a pure example of this

Kael'thas was never resurrected.

[Caerule]

Your logic betrays you

Everyone in WoW that has been resurrected/returned in one way or another has become weaker than what they once were

Kael'thas is a pure example of this

Kael'thas fell to Wretched status. And he didn't really die, it seems. He was up and about and taunting us magically in Shattrath for "not finishing the job" as soon as we returned there to report his defeat.

There's no reason to assume the power of the Thunder King has lessoned with his return. Honestly the whole point of the Thunder King is that he's basically overflowing with power. It's why you see him imbuing that power into other beings and things. And channel his energies into those pillars.

The Thunder King is super-powered. His challenge is sheer power, and an army of stone warriors. The Lich King's forces are far greater and more varied.