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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Most plants don't either really. Some do, but it's pretty rare. Most "movement" is just growing in a direction. Speed it up a bunch on a time lapse and it looks like movement, but it isn't really. (obviously some absolutley do, but..)
    Yeah, that's still generation of its own action. A plant in the soil will grow additional plant cells. The cells divide, multiply and thrive. Ice cream on the concrete will never grow into more ice cream. The bacteria within the ice cream, which is animate, will grow into other bacteria, but the ice cream is what it is, inanimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowboxer123 View Post
    1. Plants clearly have the qualities of life, they grow and reproduce.
    2. In a lot of cases, you can tell the difference between a plant that is alive vs. one that is dead. There are signs.
    3. Also in a lot of cases, you can tell the difference between a healthy plant, one with vitality, vs. a plant that is unhealthy and about to die.

    Plants are animate.

    1. A rock doesn't grow or reproduce.
    2. A rock doesn't show a sign of life.
    3. Rocks lack vitality. Is there such a thing as a "healthy" rock?

    Rocks are inanimate.
    This, well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Ice cream doesn't move itself.
    Define "itself". A plant moves because it's makeup dictates it should in response to it's environment. Ice melts for the same reason. I am not stating categorically that either is animate/inanimate at this point, but purely responding to your simple dismissive response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenaka30 View Post
    Define "itself". A plant moves because it's makeup dictates it should in response to it's environment. Ice melts for the same reason. I am not stating categorically that either is animate/inanimate at this point, but purely responding to your simple dismissive response.
    A plant has a self-mechanism & it has a purpose, while ice cream has neither. I believe this is what is meant when people say "It moves by itself".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    This, well said.
    Hi everyone. I can understand perfectly why people are confused regarding as to whether a plant is animate or inanimate. I do like the comparison with the rock and while it is a good one the problem is that; A PLANT IS IN FACT AN INANIMATE STRUCTURE BUILD BY ANIMATE ORGANISMS. The difference between plants and animals is not so much as to whether it can move or have health as much as the fact that an animal is an animated object build by animate organisms, while a plant is an inanimate object also build by animate organisms. The common dictionary definition of an animated object is very lagging from a scientific point of view and is even put in 3 different definitions, where meeting the requirements of one is possible while opposing another. A definition can not oppose itself wherefore the common dictionary definition of animate and inanimate is not a definition at all.

    The simplest and quickest comparison is that humans create buildings of inanimate materials which they canmove in and out of to improve their survival against the elements around them while plant cells build inanimate structures around the individual organism from which they then can not move in and out of.
    Here is a more detailed description from a scientific point of view.
    Back to plants and animals.
    Animal cells and plant cells are both animate objects as they when not having dysfunctions (DNA/reproduction guidelines or physical damage to organels responcible of conducting movements) or are able to relocate to an or away from a reproductive beneficial or in beneficial environment.
    Humans and animals as an animate object consisting of animate organisms is considered animate mainly due to the fact that secondary to the individual organisms "will" there is a collective organ which can communicate "will" to other collective clusters of organisms. However humans and animals with any sort skelleton structure are animate objects controlling an inanimate support structure. Such structures are ment to make cluster survival easier. Jellyfish are animate objects build by animate organisms with no inanimate attachments. Plants are a cluster of animate organisms without a secondary collective "will" rather each organism will respond only directly to its own chemical "environment" rather than an electric signal current as well as individual chemical environment. The individual organisms in plants can send out chemicals to cause a change in the environment of other animate organism clusters in the inanimate structure, animal organisms can do this as well as sometimes electric signals. Do to the fact the the individual organism in a plant surround itself with an inanimate shell which creates no direct contact with other animate organisms it is not able to release and reabsorb brint atoms from neighbouring organisms but will when exposed electric currents simply lose brint atoms and eventually the individual organism would die.
    So as you can see there are many differences between animals and plants. And the fact of referring to a plant or a human as simply inanimate or animate is scientifically difficult. However as a human in itself has an animate behaviour and "will" as a collective structure it is grammatically considered animate wherefore it is called a human hair and the human's hair. While a plant has no collective "will" and no ability to move it's intire structure to a different location/environment wherefore not showing animate behaviour and is thus considered an inanimate object grammatically wherefore it is called the leaf OF a tree and not the tree's leaf. The dog'S bone (owner/dog is animate) the windows OF the house (owner/house is inanimate. So OF structure for plants is grammatically correct and 'S structure grammatically correct for animals.

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    Many plants can communicate with each other and are absolutely animate.

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    plants are justl ike humans apart from they cant talk or feel pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattuma View Post
    Hi everyone. I can understand perfectly why people are confused regarding as to whether a plant is animate or inanimate. I do like the comparison with the rock and while it is a good one the problem is that; A PLANT IS IN FACT AN INANIMATE STRUCTURE BUILD BY ANIMATE ORGANISMS. The difference between plants and animals is not so much as to whether it can move or have health as much as the fact that an animal is an animated object build by animate organisms, while a plant is an inanimate object also build by animate organisms. The common dictionary definition of an animated object is very lagging from a scientific point of view and is even put in 3 different definitions, where meeting the requirements of one is possible while opposing another. A definition can not oppose itself wherefore the common dictionary definition of animate and inanimate is not a definition at all.

    The simplest and quickest comparison is that humans create buildings of inanimate materials which they canmove in and out of to improve their survival against the elements around them while plant cells build inanimate structures around the individual organism from which they then can not move in and out of.
    Here is a more detailed description from a scientific point of view.
    Back to plants and animals.
    Animal cells and plant cells are both animate objects as they when not having dysfunctions (DNA/reproduction guidelines or physical damage to organels responcible of conducting movements) or are able to relocate to an or away from a reproductive beneficial or in beneficial environment.
    Humans and animals as an animate object consisting of animate organisms is considered animate mainly due to the fact that secondary to the individual organisms "will" there is a collective organ which can communicate "will" to other collective clusters of organisms. However humans and animals with any sort skelleton structure are animate objects controlling an inanimate support structure. Such structures are ment to make cluster survival easier. Jellyfish are animate objects build by animate organisms with no inanimate attachments. Plants are a cluster of animate organisms without a secondary collective "will" rather each organism will respond only directly to its own chemical "environment" rather than an electric signal current as well as individual chemical environment. The individual organisms in plants can send out chemicals to cause a change in the environment of other animate organism clusters in the inanimate structure, animal organisms can do this as well as sometimes electric signals. Do to the fact the the individual organism in a plant surround itself with an inanimate shell which creates no direct contact with other animate organisms it is not able to release and reabsorb brint atoms from neighbouring organisms but will when exposed electric currents simply lose brint atoms and eventually the individual organism would die.
    So as you can see there are many differences between animals and plants. And the fact of referring to a plant or a human as simply inanimate or animate is scientifically difficult. However as a human in itself has an animate behaviour and "will" as a collective structure it is grammatically considered animate wherefore it is called a human hair and the human's hair. While a plant has no collective "will" and no ability to move it's intire structure to a different location/environment wherefore not showing animate behaviour and is thus considered an inanimate object grammatically wherefore it is called the leaf OF a tree and not the tree's leaf. The dog'S bone (owner/dog is animate) the windows OF the house (owner/house is inanimate. So OF structure for plants is grammatically correct and 'S structure grammatically correct for animals.
    This is so incredibly wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moomoocow83 View Post
    plants are justl ike humans apart from they cant talk or feel pain
    Except they can probably feel pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    This is so incredibly wrong.

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    Except they can probably feel pain.
    You were much nicer about that than anyone should have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moomoocow83 View Post
    plants are justl ike humans apart from they cant talk or feel pain
    how do you know? just because you cannot hear your lawn screaming out in anguish when you mow it does't meant it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moomoocow83 View Post
    plants are justl ike humans apart from they cant talk or feel pain
    I wouldn't say "like Humans" The only things we really share is that we metabolize sugars and are made of cells o.O

    Also, whats your avatar from or where can i find the main Image

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylom View Post
    According to the dictionary, it seems to be more of an inanimate object.


    However they do grow and move around (Following light source/water) so they should be classified as animate?
    I think plants fit the first 2 fine, they consume, grow and reproduce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylom View Post
    I've talking about this subject with a group of friends and we seem to end up with the same results every time and no real solution, are plants animate or inanimate objects? are they even objects?

    What does the people of MMO-champ thinks?
    No, they are living organisms. And some can even move through certain circumstances. They can even communicate that there are dangers present.

    Plants are alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiLLeR View Post
    A brick wall is inanimate. A plant is not... What's the difference between a raven and a writing desk?
    One is a bird the other is a desk, the riddle is how are a raven and a writing desk similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowboxer123 View Post
    1. Plants clearly have the qualities of life, they grow and reproduce.
    2. In a lot of cases, you can tell the difference between a plant that is alive vs. one that is dead. There are signs.
    3. Also in a lot of cases, you can tell the difference between a healthy plant, one with vitality, vs. a plant that is unhealthy and about to die.

    Plants are animate.

    1. A rock doesn't grow or reproduce.
    2. A rock doesn't show a sign of life.
    3. Rocks lack vitality. Is there such a thing as a "healthy" rock?

    Rocks are inanimate.
    /thread. Case closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    Your nails and hair are animate?
    Hair and nails are part of a whole, not its own entity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toefoxiegirl View Post
    I wouldn't say "like Humans" The only things we really share is that we metabolize sugars and are made of cells o.O

    Also, whats your avatar from or where can i find the main Image
    the artist of the full image is wolfynail, just search for wolfynail furry porn on google as the full pic is pornographic theres a standard pic and an animated on of it to on e621

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