Trump Says Abortion Ban Should Carry Punishment for Women

[Dextroden]

And more lumber for the bullshit fire. Are you guys really this terrified of him winning to go after this one? He said he would punish people for breaking a crime. What would be your opinion of Bernie enforcing the marijuana laws while they're still on the books, despite his stance?

By the way, if he did change the subject like some are suggesting, the story would just be about how he dodged answering that question. And you'd all be calling him a scaredy cat or some such nonsense.

[twelvethirty]

still getting my vote.

[Berengil]

There are plenty of brainwashed church ladies that couldn't possibly understand life outside their self-imposed chastity belt and the men that readily accept the nuclear family as it benefits only them.

I wonder what would happen if these women were properly educated on the subject instead of being spoonfed whatever rejection of a religious interpretation the local pastor cooked up this Sunday.

Well said. I find abortion distasteful, but I'm a guy. And I feel that because of that fact, the issue is none of my business.

Imo, let women have this debate among themselves.

EDIT: To clarify, by " distasteful" I mean as a method of birth control OR after the fetus is viable outside the womb. I fully support abortion choice before viability, and for rape/incest/mother's life.

[Healing Rain]

Women who have abortions because it's "my right/my body/my choice" are the ones who should be punished. The women who have abortions because they feel like they have no choice should be taught that they always have a choice.

[Slybak]

"I think abortions should be illegal and women should be punished for getting them" is at least a more coherent position than the Republican default: "I think abortions should be illegal but women who get them should face more lenient criminal sanctions than a person who jaywalks." It is, of course, a morally monstrous position that only a tiny minority take and the rest recoil at, which is why the latter is the Republican default. And why Donald Trump took only hours to walk that statement back.

The The Pro-Life rank and file believe the latter either because (a) they haven't thought through the whole "abortion is murder" position through to its obvious conclusion or (b) they don't think women are capable of moral agency. Or they're just liars. When you think you have a Divine Mandate to save the Little Angels, the worst kind of dishonesty is permitted.

[Hooked]

I have to agree with Trump on this one, he is 100% correct.

[Zeta333]

Trump says people doing illegal stuff should be punished. THE END IS NIGH!

This pretty much i dont get people getting thier panties in a twist, its the exact same shit for illegals, He wants to get rid of people being ILLEGALY in the country or ILLEGALLY entering the country and somehow that makes him racist. If its agains the law its against the law, then people should be punished for doing somthing thats against the law. Anyone taking anything else from this is grasping for straws or drama.

[THE Bigzoman]

To my understanding atm Clinton's only response was she found it "horrifying and telling" I dont have a twitter so i dont know what bernie said.

Yeah,

Because that totally didn't carry implications.

Come on man. You gotta drop the "well, technically" pointdexter act sooner or later.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Welp, I guess Canadian abortion clinics will see an increase in business if Trump gets elected.

[DeadmanWalking]

A pro-life organizer said in a CNN interview that any pro-life citizen or pro-life Repubkican candidate could of answered that question easily but Trump isn't really Pro-life, he just says he is to get the base's votes.

Also explains why he can't answer "What does it mean to you to be a conservative" or any host of questions he dodges around and avoids answering like a Republican because he can't answer them because he isn't really a Republican. He is just a guy who wants Republicans to vote him into office.

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

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This pretty much i dont get people getting thier panties in a twist, its the exact same shit for illegals, He wants to get rid of people being ILLEGALY in the country or ILLEGALLY entering the country and somehow that makes him racist. If its agains the law its against the law, then people should be punished for doing somthing thats against the law. Anyone taking anything else from this is grasping for straws or drama.

I have no problem with stopping illegals from entering the country but a wall across the entire border of Southern America is as absurd as it is unmanageable and unaffordable. 16 billion just for building supplies for one 30 foot wall (you would need 2) not counting costs of labor, power equipment and eternal upkeep which can all be defeated by a 30 foot ladder and a rope.

[Sesshou]

Because even that answer is abysmally bad.

It's like if someone asked you "if we reinstituted Prohibition on alcohol, would you ensure that drinkers were charged accordingly?" If you immediately start bloviating about how drinkers would need to be punished, you're an asshole, and one who's clearly pro-Prohibition. The "right" answer would be to point out that there's A>no reason to go back to Prohibition, since it was a failure and the concept was ethically heinous, and B> that because of those facts, you would oppose the application of such a law to the greatest extent of your legal authority.

And that wouldn't be an answer at all. It would just be dodging the question.

[DeadmanWalking]

Welp, I guess Canadian abortion clinics will see an increase in business if Trump gets elected.

Mexican abortion clinics already get increased business in the south.

[Zeta333]

[quote]I have no problem with stopping illegals from entering the country but a wall across the entire border of Southern America is as absurd as it is unmanageable and unaffordable. 16 billion just for building supplies for one 30 foot wall (you would need 2) not counting costs of labor, power equipment and eternal upkeep which can all be defeated by a 30 foot ladder and a rope./quote]

you realize mexico has a wall across thier southern border to prevent illegals and drug smuglers from entering via there.

[shimerra]

you realize mexico has a wall across thier southern border to prevent illegals and drug smuglers from entering via there.

And Mexico is totally drug free. No issues there. If you think it's the fact that Trump thinks people immigrating Illegally should be removed is what makes him racist all I can say if you have your head lodged so deep in the sand we don't yet have the technology to extract you from your ignorance.

[DeadmanWalking]

[QUOTE=Zeta333;39551363]

I have no problem with stopping illegals from entering the country but a wall across the entire border of Southern America is as absurd as it is unmanageable and unaffordable. 16 billion just for building supplies for one 30 foot wall (you would need 2) not counting costs of labor, power equipment and eternal upkeep which can all be defeated by a 30 foot ladder and a rope./quote]

you realize mexico has a wall across thier southern border to prevent illegals and drug smuglers from entering via there.

Have you ever looked at a fucking world map? Compare mexicos southern border to our border. Yeah, real smart comparison.

[Barnabas]

[QUOTE=DeadmanWalking;39551416]

Have you ever looked at a fucking world map? Compare mexicos southern border to our border. Yeah, real smart comparison.

Our government would never fund it but if they would we could easily build a nicer wall than mexicos southern wall. Regardless of effectiveness, because duh, you can fly over a wall, it's more of a monument than anything. It's shows power and engineering. Maybe it would show we have too much money also that could be spent on better things? The point is it could be an awesome wall.

[Venant]

"I think abortions should be illegal and women should be punished for getting them" is at least a more coherent position than the Republican default: "I think abortions should be illegal but women who get them should face more lenient criminal sanctions than a person who jaywalks." It is, of course, a morally monstrous position that only a tiny minority take and the rest recoil at, which is why the latter is the Republican default. And why Donald Trump took only hours to walk that statement back.

The The Pro-Life rank and file believe the latter either because (a) they haven't thought through the whole "abortion is murder" position through to its obvious conclusion or (b) they don't think women are capable of moral agency. Or they're just liars. When you think you have a Divine Mandate to save the Little Angels, the worst kind of dishonesty is permitted.

The problem with the media is that it is so heavily agenda driven that all it cares about are 5 second sound clips that can be manipulated to serve whatever is being pushed today. The supposed pro-life position of viewing the woman as a 'victim' is completely incoherent from a logical standpoint, but nobody ever calls these people out on it. It almost seems like Trump is breaking politics and the media mentality in this country, and it is amazing to see how many people who have railed against supposed systematic corruption coming out to attack Trump in defense of the system.

People need to realize that many supposedly 'far right' and 'far left' advocates are actually shills for the establishment, they exist only to wrangle anyone who attempts to leave the ideological reservation. I am convinced that Ted Cruz is exactly this, and I have seen many progressives who suspect the same may be true for Bernie Sanders, considering that he seems fine with running in a rigged primary that he seems to have no chance of winning.

It is a possibility that Trump is the only real anti-establishment politician with an actual shot at disrupting the system, which is why you see every political and media hatchetman who feeds from the trough of the establishment looking to take him down.

[Hooked]

We aren't concerned about about abortion right now, we need a wall and we need to deport them illegals. After things have been returned to normal then we can pick up this moral issue once again. I think trump doesn't really care about abortion one way or the other, hes probably known tons of hookers in the casinos that got them.

[Deletedaccount1]

If murder is punishable then of course abortion should be as well.

[GrinningMan]

If you have to sneak around to do it, is it really something you should be doing?