USA starts another proxy-war? Nagorno-Karabach (Armenia vs Azerbaijan)...

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Warmonger Kerry has meeting with Azerbaijan dictator and like a day after conflict erupts, which has been dormant for ca 2 decades...

..i know, 'murica is innocent! 'murica never starts conflicts, they are just fluffy puppies who think happy thoughts.

What? Armenia doesn't join NATO fast enough and need some incentive to bend over?? Or this just revenge for Russia winning in Syria?

Every US involvement just escalates n turns everything to shit n then they hold their hands up asking "what did we do? u got no pruufz, CNN says so!"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0WW2QB

Kerry calls for 'ultimate resolution' of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

World | Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:00pm

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called on Wednesday for "an ultimate resolution" of the two-decade-old Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia during talks with Azeri President Ilham Aliyev at the State Department.

Aliyev is in Washington for a two-day nuclear security summit hosted by President Barack Obama on Thursday and Friday.

"We want to see an ultimate resolution of the frozen conflict of Nagorno-Karabakh that needs to be a negotiated settlement and something that has to be worked on over time," Kerry said during a brief photo opportunity with Aliyev.

The conflict broke out in the dying years of the Soviet Union but efforts to reach a permanent settlement have failed despite mediation led by France, Russia and the United States.

Nagorno-Karabakh lies inside Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenians.

Aliyev thanked the United States for trying to end the conflict but said it could only be resolved through a United Nations Security Council resolution calling for the "immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenian troops" from Azerbaijan.

"The conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, all the conflicts in post-Soviet area and in the world, must be resolved based on territorial integrity of the countries," he said.

Oil producing Azerbaijan frequently threatens to take the mountainous Nagorno-Karabakh region back by force. Clashes around the region have fueled worries of a wider conflict breaking out in the South Caucasus, which is crossed by oil and gas pipelines.

(Reporting by Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Tom Brown)

and then after...

http://www.rt.com/news/338102-armeni...bakh-violence/

Armenia, Azerbaijan accuse each other of sharp Karabakh escalation with tanks, artillery & aircraft.

2 Apr, 2016 06:49

Hostilities on the border of the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region with Azerbaijan have flared up overnight, with reports of gun and mortar fire, as well as casualties on both sides. Azeri and Armenian defense ministries accused each other of provoking the escalation.

Azerbaijan said Armenian troops opened fire 127 times over 24 hours along the border. They were using mortars and heavy machine guns, the statement released on Saturday morning said.

Armenia said Azeri troops went on the offensive overnight and were using tanks, artillery and military aircraft.

Yerevan distinguishes its own armed forces from those of the breakaway republic, while Baku considers them all Armenian.

Militias in the unrecognized Karabakh republic, the focal point of the conflict, claimed they shot down two Azeri helicopter gunboats and two drones, and destroyed at least two tanks. Azerbaijan confirmed losing one helicopter and one tank as well as 12 soldiers.

Baku said it took under its control several strategic points on the border, from which villages on the Azeri side could be threatened by Armenian forces. The sites are currently being fortified by the military, Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry said.

The ministry claimed it destroyed “six Armenian tanks, 15 artillery pieces, several bunkers and over 100 enemy soldiers.”

The Armenian Defense Ministry has refuted Azerbaijani claims, saying that they “don’t correspond to reality.”

“The Armenian Defense Ministry officially states that information distributed by Azeri media that Azerbaijani armed forces allegedly captured several settlements on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh region and that losses of the Armenian side amount to dozens in military hardware and hundreds in manpower is blatant disinformation,” the ministry said in a statement.

Karabakh authorities said two teenage students were seriously injured near their school by rocket fire from Azerbaijan. Separate reports in the local media said six civilians and three soldiers were taken to hospital with injuries received during the clashes.

The two countries blamed each other for triggering the escalation.

“The responsibility for the situation is fully on Armenia, the aggressor and occupier nation,” the Azeri Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Armenia said it condemned the actions of the “Azerbaijan military along the engagement line with Nagorno-Karabakh and the border with Armenia.” Both accused their rival of targeting civilians in Azerbaijan and Karabakh respectively.

Reports from Karabakh say Azerbaijan sent a recon unit across the border overnight. It was intercepted by local forces, said Dmitry Pisarenko, who heads the Armenian branch of the Russian news agency Sputnik. A firefight ensued and rapidly escalated into a major battle, involving tanks, helicopters and artillery, he said.



Calls for ceasing hostilities

Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on all sides in the conflict to immediately cease hostilities, said Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Moscow was in contact with other members of the OSCE Minsk group, which is tasked with monitoring the Karabakh truce, and was closely watching the development of the situation. The group is currently co-chaired by Russia, the US and France and also includes Belarus, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Turkey and the two conflicting countries.

The group co-chairs released a statement after a meeting to express their concern with the scale of hostilities and call on the parties involved to avoid further violence. The group said it regretted the loss of lives, including civilians, caused by the clashes.

Concern over the escalation was also voiced by EU Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini, who called on all sides to show restraint and observe the truce. She said the EU supported the mediation effort by the OSCE Minsk group.

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu held emergency phone talks with his Armenian and Azeri counterparts to discuss how the situation can be defused, the ministry said in a statement.

The two former soviet republics are locked in a decades-long conflict over Karabakh, a predominantly Armenian mountainous region that was part of Azerbaijan, but broke away in 1988.

The region declared independence in 1991, with a bloody three-year war following it. Russia brokered a ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan in 1994, but the tensions have never actually stopped since then and there is occasional violence.

The mutual distrust between Armenia and Azerbaijan is rooted in a long history of ethnic and religious conflicts in the region as well as their participation in the rivalry of regional heavyweights – the Turks, the Russians and the Persians over the centuries.

Both nations had their first bid for statehood in the wake of the collapse of the Russian Empire in the early 20th century. Among other things their independence resulted in a war in 1918. When Moscow reinstated its control over the region, the conflict was swept under the rug, but never fully extinguished.

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http://www.rt.com/news/338196-nagorn...baijan-turkey/

Azerbaijan envoy says ready for military solution to Nagorno-Karabakh issue, Erdogan backs Baku.

2 Apr, 2016 21:21

Azerbaijan is ready to switch from a diplomatic to a military solution over the breakaway Nagorny-Karabakh region, Polad Bulbuloglu, Azeri ambassador to Russia, said following escalation in the area on Saturday.

“The attempts of a peaceful solution to this conflict have been underway for 22 years. How much more will it take? We are ready for a peaceful solution to the issue. But if it’s not solved peacefully then we will solve it by military means,” Bulbuloglu told Govorit Moskva radio station.

According to the ambassador, 21 percent of the Azerbaijani territory is now occupied by Armenia.

The compromise on the part of Azerbaijan is an offer to the Armenian military to abandon the disputed territory. Only after that may the dialogue start about the coexistence of the Azeri and Armenian peoples in Nagorny-Karabakh, he stressed.

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan promised that his country will fully execute its obligations to ensure the security of Nagorny-Karabakh.

"We have a legal right to so because we are a party to the ceasefire agreement signed in 1994,” he said on Saturday.

Sargsyan urged the need to sign a mutual military assistance agreement with Nagorny-Karabakh, tasking the Foreign Ministry with making all the necessary preparations.

Heavy fighting involving artillery, tanks and aircraft broke out on the contact line between Azerbaijan and Nagorny-Karabakh early on Saturday.

It’s so far unclear who's responsible for the harshest escalation in the region since 1994, with Baku and Yerevan shifting blame to each other and claiming to have delivered significant losses to the opposition.

The Azeri Defense Ministry said that it had lost 12 troops, a helicopter and a tank during hostilities on Saturday.

According to Sargsyan, 18 Armenian soldiers were killed and 35 injured in the fighting with Azerbaijani forces.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan phoned his Azeri counterpart, Ilham Aliyev, to express condolences over the death of Azeri troops on the Nagorny-Karabakh border.

"The Turkish president expressed his support and solidarity in relation to the events on the contact line between Armenian and Azerbaijani [forces] and stressed that the Turkish people will always be with the people of Azerbaijan," the Azeri president’s press service said in a statement.

Later, Erdogan blamed the inaction of the OSCE Minsk Group for the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute remaining unsettled after all those years, Aksam newspaper reported.

"If the Minsk Group had solved the problem in due time, we wouldn’t have witnessed the events now taking place on the contact line” between Azeri and Armenian forces, the Turkish leader said in the US as he opened an Islamic center in Lanham, Maryland.

Ironically, Turkey is part of the Minsk Group, which has Russia, the US and France as its co-chairs, and also includes Belarus, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Finland and the two conflicting nations.

The defense ministers of Azerbaijan and Turkey also discussed the events in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz expressed his full support to Baku, saying it has a “just stance” on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry also condemned Armenia for an alleged attack and urged Yerevan to fulfill the terms of the ceasefire.

The two former Soviet republics are locked in a decades-long conflict over Nagorny-Karabakh, a predominantly-Armenian mountainous region that was part of the Azerbaijani SSR, but broke away in 1988.

The region declared independence in 1991, with a bloody three-year war ensuing. Russia brokered a ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan in 1994, but the tensions have never actually stopped since then and there is occasional violence.

The mutual distrust between Armenia and Azerbaijan is rooted in a long history of ethnic and religious conflicts in the region, as well as their participation in the rivalry of regional heavyweights – the Turks, the Russians and the Persians over the centuries.

Both nations had their first bid for statehood in the wake of the collapse of the Russian Empire in the early 20th century. Among other things their independence resulted in a war in 1918.

When Moscow reinstated its control over the region for the USSR, the conflict was swept under the rug, but never fully extinguished.

http://www.rt.com/news/338220-azerba...kh-hostilites/

Azerbaijan claims cease fire in Nagorny-Karabakh, Armenia says hostilities continue.

3 Apr, 2016 09:07



Azerbaijan has decided to unilaterally cease all hostilities in Karabakh, the country's Defense Ministry said. It added it would resume military action if attacked.

“Based on our love of peace and the calls of international organizations, Azerbaijan decided to unilaterally cease military response action,” ministry spokesman Vagif Dyargahly said.

The ministry, however, reiterated its accusations that Armenia is to blame for the continued hostilities. It said that it would return fire, if their opponents try to take back territory captured by the Azeris during the Sunday offensive.

“The Armenian side tried to take back the territories liberated by Azerbaijan's military yesterday and lost 10 tanks and soldiers,” ministry spokesman Vagif Dyargahly said.

Azerbaijan considers Nagorno-Karabakh military as Armenian and refers to them as such. Nagorny-Karabakh is self-governed, but has strong support from Armenia.

The condition may be something that Karabakh authorities would not agree to observe. On Sunday morning, their military recaptured one of the hills previously lost to Azerbaijan, according to the Armenian Defense Ministry.

The Armenian military said the declaration of a ceasefire contradicts the facts on the ground.

“Azerbaijan's statement is an info trap. It does not mean the hostilities were ceased,” Defense Ministry spokesperson Artsrun Ovannisyan wrote on Facebook.

Azeri President Ilkham Aliev said he regarded the results of the clashes “a major military victory,” during a security council session on Saturday, television channel AzTV reported.

“It was not our fault. We responded to a provocation and did it right,” he said. “If Armenian soldiers don't want to die, let them leave our land.”

The violence in Nagorny-Karabakh, a breakaway Azeri region with a predominantly Armenian population that fought an independence war in the 1990s, escalated on Friday night.

Sporadic clashes along the engagement line reportedly continued on Sunday despite the effort of the OSCE Minsk group, which is tasked with preserving the truce in the conflict zone, to stop the violence.

Baku and Yerevan accused each other of provoking hostilities. It remains unclear which party triggered the latest round of escalation in Nagorny-Karabakh.

The exact number of casualties has also not been independently verified, as the numbers of enemy combatants killed or injured as claimed by each side are drastically higher than the corresponding number reported by the opposite party. Dozens are estimated to have been killed or injured.

[Ripster42]

Already a thread on this that isn't based on RT propaganda.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...onflict-Region

[Shalcker]

Already a thread on this that isn't based on RT propaganda.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...onflict-Region

That one cites Sputnik, which is quite a bit worse by "propaganda" metrics...

It's like saying to CNN quote "There is already thread about it from Fox News"...

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A-a-and it seems they are stopping offensive reinforcing gains (which was two villages and one height i think?):
http://www.azernews.az/azerbaijan/94600.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Taking into account the international organizations’ appeals, Azerbaijan unilaterally suspended the counter-attacks and response measures in the territories occupied by Armenia, the statement posted on the Azerbaijani defense ministry’s website said.

The Azerbaijani defense ministry decided to strengthen the defensive positions of the liberated territories.

"If the Armenian armed forces do not stop provocative actions and continue shelling the residential areas and combat positions, the Azerbaijani armed forces will continue offensive operations to destroy the Armenian forces to liberate the occupied lands,” the statement said. “The offensive operations will be continued to ensure Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity by using all available military equipment."

The counter-attack was made following provocations of the Armenian armed forces at night of April 2, which resulted in deaths and injuries of civilians.

Six Armenian tanks, 15 gun mounts and reinforced engineering structures have been destroyed and more than 100 servicemen of the Armenian armed forces were wounded and killed during the fights, the ministry said.

Twelve servicemen of the Azerbaijani armed forces heroically died, one Mi-24 helicopter was shot down and one tank damaged by a mine, according to the ministry.

The conflict between the two South Caucasus countries began in 1988 when Armenia made territorial claims against Azerbaijan. As a result of the ensuing war, in 1992 Armenian armed forces occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan, including the Nagorno-Karabakh region and seven surrounding districts.

The two countries signed a ceasefire agreement in 1994. The co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, Russia, France and the US are currently holding peace negotiations.

Armenia has not yet implemented the UN Security Council's four resolutions on withdrawal of its armed forces from the Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding districts.

[Gamevizier]

Strangely enough, Armenia, which is a Christian majority country, maintains good relations with Iran while Azerbaijan, which is a mainly Shia country, has an up-down relationship with Iran, one of the problems being Azerbaijan's apparent good relations with Israel.

So, Again, we have Israel + The US on one side and Russia + Iran on the other side of a conflict that has potential to turn into yet another proxy war.

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Strangely enough, Armenia, which is a Christian majority country, maintains good relations with Iran while Azerbaijan, which is a mainly Shia country, has an up-down relationship with Iran, one of the problems being Azerbaijan's apparent good relations with Israel.

So, Again, we have Israel + The US on one side and Russia + Iran on the other side of a conflict that has potential to turn into yet another proxy war.

Iran supported Armenia during the last Armenia-Azerbaijan war, it has to do with Iran seeing Azerbaijan as former Iranian territory but it's mostly due to Azeris being Turk and Iran consider Turks a mortal enemy and Armenians are related to Iranians

turkish languages


Iran has a long history of being invaded n ravaged by Turkish people

Armenia is also a "gate" that prevents "greater turkey" Turkey n Azerbaijan becoming one country n possibly linking up with central asian turk countries..Iran sees that as a threat, while Armenia is puny n could never pose a threat towards iran.

There is a pan-turkish dream of a Turkish state from the Balkans to China..

Another problem of Turkey swallowing up Azerbaijan is that Turkey would gain access to vast Azeri oil n gas fields..as if Turkey isn't annoying already..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrole..._in_Azerbaijan
That wealth makes Azerbaijan much stronger militarily since they can buy more n better toys than land-locked impoverished Armenia that has been in a 2 decade long economic embargo from its turkish neighbors...

Armenia relies on Russia militarily n have Russian military bases on its territory since it can't protect itself on its own indefinitely.

[Gamevizier]

Armenia is also a "gate" that prevents "greater turkey" Turkey n Azerbaijan becoming one country n possibly linking up with central asian turk countries...

Is that after Turkey takes care of it's internal struggles and succeeds in NOT breaking apart? when Erdogan turns into Hitler v.2 and decides to go all Ottoman on it's neighbors?

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Google maps shows the land as an uncontested part of Azerbaijan but it seems like Armenia has occupied it for a few decades. To be honest I can't think of a more pointless fight, the oil is all to the east and the land is full of Armenians. Azerbaijan should just let Armenia have it.

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Is that after Turkey takes care of it's internal struggles and succeeds in NOT breaking apart? when Erdogan turns into Hitler v.2 and decides to go all Ottoman on it's neighbors?

Well, he seems to have the right temperament to do that...

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Google maps shows the land as an uncontested part of Azerbaijan but it seems like Armenia has occupied it for a few decades. To be honest I can't think of a more pointless fight, the oil is all to the east and the land is full of Armenians. Azerbaijan should just let Armenia have it.

But but but then they can't have greater-turkey n sultan erdogan will pout

[Aggrophobic]

Do you post anything thats not anti US propaganda, Summerdrake?
I really doubt most people here take you seriously anymore...

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Do you post anything thats not anti US propaganda, Summerdrake?
I really doubt most people here take you seriously anymore...

Day after Kerry meets with Azeri President, a 2 decade old cold war between Azerbaijan n Armenia suddenly gets hot n it's all a coincidence? Btw the first news was from Reuters with Kerry urging to "fix" problem n the day after everybody starts shooting. Coincidence, totally.

[Easo]

Are you even sane, Summerdrake? Was the 1991 war also USA proxy war? Does the history of that region means nothing to you?
I could go on with stuff like Russia sold weapons to both sides and has base in Armenia and thus is the maker of the war. How about that? Something tells me you wouldnt like that.

[Mistame]

Oh, this guy.

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Are you even sane, Summerdrake? Was the 1991 war also USA proxy war? Does the history of that region means nothing to you?
I could go on with stuff like Russia sold weapons to both sides and has base in Armenia and thus is the maker of the war. How about that? Something tells me you wouldnt like that.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL you blame Putin? Explain why day after Kerry meets Azeri President, a 2 decade cold war blows up? After Kerry said the situation should be "fixed". Coincidence?

USA also has cooperation with both Armenia n Azerbaijan, did I make that the case for conflict, no, I said it was due to Kerry said "fix this!" n 2 decade cold war turns hot.

Damn, CNN, FOX has really brain-washed you lot...you can't connect the dots.

[Easo]

Or even better, let me add two more things - azeris have been buying weapons bought with oil money for years, all the while holding a threatening stance. I wonder why xD
There have been skirmishes all those 20 years. They never stopped. That war did not really end. It has not been thawed out.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL you blame Putin? Explain why day after Kerry meets Azeri President, a 2 decade cold war blows up? After Kerry said the situation should be "fixed". Coincidence?

USA also has cooperation with both Armenia n Azerbaijan, did I make that the case for conflict, no, I said it was due to Kerry said "fix this!" n 2 decade cold war turns hot.

Damn, CNN, FOX has really brain-washed you lot...you can't connect the dots.

I am not blaming him, learn to READ, at least once. I just gave you "proof", of the same kind YOU provided.
And as I wrote, there has never been peace.

[derpkitteh]

this is why we need sanders or trump.

they ain't gonna do this proxy war, regime changing bullshit like this.

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Or even better, let me add two more things - azeris have been buying weapons bought with oil money for years, all the while holding a threatening stance. I wonder why xD
There have been skirmishes all those 20 years. They never stopped. That war did not really end. It has not been thawed out.

Nice try. No, not really, grasping at straws. There is a big difference between a sniper shooting one guy now n then, and the scale we have now, nothing like it since the last hot war and it happened the day after Kerry said to resolve conflict and then everything blew the fuck up. You want to make this up as something random n sporadic that happens all the time, it doesn't on this scale.
And all you deniers keep avoiding the Kerry issue..

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-russ...akh-1459685441
The outbreak of fighting—some of the heaviest since the Russian-brokered cease-fire went into effect—quickly raised alarms in Washington and Moscow.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/04/02/c...orno-karabakh/
Worst deadly fighting in years hits breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/52fb9...#axzz44mL9dlJG
Azerbaijan has declared a unilateral ceasefire with Armenia in the disputed enclave of Narogno-Karabakh after fierce skirmishes over the weekend killed at least 30 in one of the bloodiest days in the smouldering conflict since a 1994 ceasefire.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35953358
The situation on the front line remains tense, with each side accusing the other of firing heavy weapons, rockets and artillery.
On Saturday Armenia said 18 ethnic-Armenian troops died, while Azerbaijan said it had lost 12 troops. The Karabakh defence ministry said a 12-year-old boy had been killed and two other children injured.
Each side blamed the other for breaking the ceasefire. Azerbaijan said its forces had taken over two strategic hills and a village but lost a helicopter. The Armenian government said Azerbaijan had launched a "massive attack" with tanks, artillery and helicopters.

And this AP story has muslim Turk saying this is the worst since last war

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...bakh/82579816/
Fighting in what was a dormant conflict for two decades flared up over the weekend with a boy and at least 30 troops killed on both sides. Each side blamed the other for Saturday's escalation, the worst since the end of a full-scale war in 1994.

Worst since last war, happens day after Kerry says to resolve stuff.

Yup, coincidence.

Kerry with President of Azerbaijan, day before conflict starts..

[Easo]

Grasping at straws? Isn't that what you are doing, by saying that a everyday visit from a foreign politician led to war?
Keep calling us brainwashed. It sure helps your case, bro

[Rukh]

Something happens somewhere in the world, all the Russians "THANKS AMERICA!"

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Grasping at straws? Isn't that what you are doing, by saying that a everyday visit from a foreign politician led to war?
Keep calling us brainwashed. It sure helps your case, bro

It's not everyday Kerry meets Azeri President. and are you seriously arguing that the US is just like other countries, and not a super-power n its words don't carry more weight. I'm sure if Malta had talked to Azeri President then missiles wouldn't be flying right now.

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Something happens somewhere in the world, all the Russians "THANKS AMERICA!"

avoids mentioning Kerry, and you are denying America starts shit in the world, talk about being in denial...

I JUST WONDER...what u deniers would have been saying it these had met instead just day before conflict erupts, presidents of Russia & Armenia n Putin had said, "fix Nagorno-Karabach, now!"

Western media would have had a field day with that...I can see the headlines "emagerd! danger-putin!"
but when Kerry pokes the hornets nest "we didn't see that coming!"

more news

Azerbaijan claims ceasefire in Nagorny-Karabakh, Armenia says hostilities continue.

RT
Apr 3, 2016



Azerbaijan has decided to unilaterally cease all hostilities in Karabakh, the country's Defense Ministry said. It added it would resume military action if attacked.

[Mihalik]

Day after Kerry meets with Azeri President, a 2 decade old cold war between Azerbaijan n Armenia suddenly gets hot n it's all a coincidence? Btw the first news was from Reuters with Kerry urging to "fix" problem n the day after everybody starts shooting. Coincidence, totally.

1, Launching a military operation with the intent to conquer territory is not done within a 24 hour timeframe. The Azeri's have had this in the pipeline for a while. And just to clarify, the conflict wasn't really as dormant as you claim it. Back in 2014 there was a serious chain of outbursts.

2, It would be somewhat retarded for the US secretary of state to associate himself with this directly by visiting the Azeris just before the fighting starts. It is probably true that the US has ties to the Azeri government, but its extremely unlikely (actually pretty dumb) to have a direct involvement with all this. What is MUCH more likely is that the Azeris wanted to use the visit as a PR moment where they remind their neighbors and their own populace that they have "powerful friends" before launching a pre-planned shitshow.

This is actually quite a bit disconcerting because it would mean that US intelligence failed AGAIN and allowed itself to be used as a propaganda tool in a backwoods third world style regional ethnic conflict. If they now outright refuse to back Azerbaijan, they risk being painted as impotent again. So one way or another the US has lost on this shitshow.