Canada to process 10,000 Syrian refugees ‘as fast as possible’

[Tyrianth]

It depends on your province, but yes it's between the 25-50% mark.

But yes healthcare is free n stuff. Not sure it balances out though, since the service is terrible, and you have to wait 2-3 months to see a doctor, unless it's a super emergency.

Which is no different than US tax brackets which can also get up to 50%. Except they spend it on wars. And speak for yourself, if I have to see my doctor I can call and make an appoint same day in most cases.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

More terrorists are 2nd generation than first. A very good reason to stop importing Muslims that simply don't want to integrate.

Still wasn't a muslim though. He was an Atheist. The polytech massacre had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the fact that the shooter was a disturbed and hateful person.

But hey...don't let facts get in the way.

[Tradewind]

"Refugees"
"Immigrants"

Yes, there is a difference. Thanks for playing.

you can't seriously be asking this question... like seriously? Do you have no compassion at all?

Do you have anything other than loaded questions?

[Rennadrel]

It depends on your province, but yes it's between the 25-50% mark.

But yes healthcare is free n stuff. Not sure it balances out though, since the service is terrible, and you have to wait 2-3 months to see a doctor, unless it's a super emergency.

Some misinformation is being spread here.

I can get an appointment with my family doctor in as little as 2 weeks. Specialists are often long on waiting lists. Did you know that there is one clinic in southern Ontario that serves residents from as far south as Windsor all the way north to Thunder Bay? Yeah, that's for a doctor who deals with things like skin cancer. I had a cist on my neck about the size of a quarter removed last year, my waiting time between consultation and the surgery was about 2 months, which wasn't bad for a job cancerous cist. The consultation appointment was booked about 3 weeks out from when I saw my doctor about it. But I had to pay for it, and it was around $350. I have been on a surgery wait list for a tonsilechtomy with an ENT in Guelph since last May, we are coming up on a year. Apparently children get precedent over adults even when adults like me have sleep apnea so bad that it can trigger seizures. Wait time is a minimum 9-12 months for adults, 4-6 for kids.

Yes, our medical system is slow, but blame the lack of specialists and equipment, as well as cuts, not the doctors themselves.

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Help the potential terrorists? Yay!

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sucks for Canada, but i'd rather they take them than Europe.

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just curious. how can "refugees" or immigrants ever be a "private" issue? immigration is a National security/public policy issue that affects every citizen in the host nation. Even if "private" citizens volunteer to sponsor/host refugees that decision affects the greater society as a whole and therefore is a Federal or national issue.

what are you talking about?
Private sponsorship means (unless im wrong), that people coming would already have a job and theyre good at what they do. Extremism is born out of desperation in western society too.

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It isn't a lack of compassion, it is having compassion for the well-being of Canadian citizens first and foremost rather than outsiders. That is neither racist not intolerant to give a shit about your own people first.

if you're complaining about 30-50-100 k selected people incoming in a rich western country 36 million strong, yes you're not being rational. There's absolutely no threat to canadian people or society.

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That's not really a fair comparison. There's a lot more other races than Middle Easterners. If it was about equal, it'd probably be 50/50. Just look at Israel for example. Israel deals with terrorists attacks almost everyday.

Dat comparison.

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Why should people who barely have enough money to support themselves and their families have to pay for the problems of others?

Welcome to democracy.

[Tradewind]

what are you talking about?
Private sponsorship means (unless im wrong), that people coming would already have a job and theyre good at what they do. Extremism is born out of desperation in western society too.

Private Sponsorship of refugees has nothing to do with them holding a job offer in hand unfortunately. That would be for landed immigrant status, for people wanting to legally emigrate to Canada and become a resident. One of the requirements to do so and work in Canada is a current job offer.

Private Sponsorship is simply that a refugee or group of refugees have sponsorship from one of 4 recognized groups: Sponsorship Agreement Holders, Constituent Groups, "Groups of Five" and Community Sponsors (from the GC refugee site). In short they merely need support from one of those groups, there is no requirements for jobs or skills for refugees. The only requirement is that the sponsorship group provides guarantees for lodging and basic care.

The problem with it is that a lot of special interest groups are registered private sponsors and are pushing to get even more refugees into the country, more people with no guarantee of employment, income or any considerations normally levied upon prospective immigrants.

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technically there are no such thing as "private" sponsorships. private citizens may be volunteering to provide services,but immigration of any kind is a national/Federal issue and the Canadian Govt. and these people are making decisions that affect the whole of society and every person in the host country. To try and pass this off as a transaction between volunteers/refugees only is disingenuous and inaccurate.

Doesnt private sponsorship means companies are ready to sponsor people staying? As in the case in australia for example?

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Private Sponsorship of refugees has nothing to do with them holding a job offer in hand unfortunately. That would be for landed immigrant status, for people wanting to legally emigrate to Canada and become a resident. One of the requirements to do so and work in Canada is a current job offer.

Private Sponsorship is simply that a refugee or group of refugees have sponsorship from one of 4 recognized groups: Sponsorship Agreement Holders, Constituent Groups, "Groups of Five" and Community Sponsors (from the GC refugee site). In short they merely need support from one of those groups, there is no requirements for jobs or skills for refugees. The only requirement is that the sponsorship group provides guarantees for lodging and basic care.

Is there a reason not to trust those 4 groups you mentioned?
Thanks for clearing that up though, I was confusing it with something else.

[Tradewind]

Is there a reason not to trust those 4 groups you mentioned?
Thanks for clearing that up though, I was confusing it with something else.

Depends on the groups I guess. But it's not really just a matter of trusting those sponsors, and more to do with the fact that they're able to circumvent what is typical immigrant requirements just by being a refugee. Canada has pretty strict immigration requirements, meant to ensure that it protects Canadians as well as ensure that immigrants have a chance to thrive without increased burdens on existing citizens. Short list of immigration requirements are having a job offer in hand, having income to support yourself, english and/or french language fluency, family considerations. There's a website that can determine eligibility: http://www.cic.gc.ca/ctc-vac/getting-started.asp

[Wells]

Depends on the groups I guess. But it's not really just a matter of trusting those sponsors, and more to do with the fact that they're able to circumvent what is typical immigrant requirements just by being a refugee. Canada has pretty strict immigration requirements, meant to ensure that it protects Canadians as well as ensure that immigrants have a chance to thrive without increased burdens on existing citizens.

"being a refugee" is a significant difference to handwave.

[Deleted]

Depends on the groups I guess. But it's not really just a matter of trusting those sponsors, and more to do with the fact that they're able to circumvent what is typical immigrant requirements just by being a refugee. Canada has pretty strict immigration requirements, meant to ensure that it protects Canadians as well as ensure that immigrants have a chance to thrive without increased burdens on existing citizens.

But sure if they prove they can provide care... how does that affect citizens?

[Tradewind]

"being a refugee" is a significant difference to handwave.

Not really. But thanks for your usual contribution.

But sure if they prove they can provide care... how does that affect citizens?

They're only obligated to do so for up to 12 months, unless the assigned visa officer mandates that the sponsors extend that support to as long as 36. In that time it is required that the sponsors provide for the refugees. Landed refugees are given a loan from the government for travel and relocation expenses, under the assumption that the loan will be repaid. If it is not, then the sponsors are on the hook for some if not all of it. Depending on the status of the sponsorship group that money may come from tax exemptions, grants and donations. In addition to the citizen burden is health care, any medical expenses for refugees are covered by the IFHP (Interim Federal Health Program), funded through tax dollars for any period that they're not directly insured by a provincial health plan. Provincial Health plans are also paid by taxes obviously and in the absence of employment are reliant upon working folk's taxes. In provinces where unemployed persons pay a monthly premium, that premium is either waived or paid by their sponsors. There's also child tax benefits, where refugees with children under the age of 18 receive a monthly payment, per child, from the government (more tax money).

Additionally there's too many options for refugees to become burdens on their sponsors as there's no mandate for them to seek employment. Nor can a sponsor force a refugee in their care to accept employment. I'm not suggesting that they're all going to be a bunch of deadbeats, but that's an unreasonable request in my mind to be forced to support someone if they don't want to work. Plus there's the typical "dey took our jerbs!" problem.

[Wells]

Not really. But thanks for your usual contribution.

Immigrants are a matter of economics. Refugees are a humanitarian effort. You're comparing apples and oranges and then complaining there's a different standard.

[Tradewind]

Immigrants are a matter of economics. Refugees are a humanitarian effort. You're comparing apples and oranges and then complaining there's a different standard.

I'm "complaining" that there's too many loopholes, too many opportunities for people to become burdened. That there's too much pressure and emphasis being put on by special interest groups, lobbying to bring more refugees to the country (above and beyond what was promised in November), while John Q Public has no say in the matter now. I worry about employment, it's no secret that Canada has suffered lately, here's a whole whack of new people entering a job market that's already saturated with other people desperately looking for work.

[Deleted]

Not really. But thanks for your usual contribution.



They're only obligated to do so for up to 12 months, unless the assigned visa officer mandates that the sponsors extend that support to as long as 36. In that time it is required that the sponsors provide for the refugees. Landed refugees are given a loan from the government for travel and relocation expenses, under the assumption that the loan will be repaid. If it is not, then the sponsors are on the hook for some if not all of it. Depending on the status of the sponsorship group that money may come from tax exemptions, grants and donations. In addition to the citizen burden is health care, any medical expenses for refugees are covered by the IFHP (Interim Federal Health Program), funded through tax dollars for any period that they're not directly insured by a provincial health plan. Provincial Health plans are also paid by taxes obviously and in the absence of employment are reliant upon working folk's taxes. In provinces where unemployed persons pay a monthly premium, that premium is either waived or paid by their sponsors. There's also child tax benefits, where refugees with children under the age of 18 receive a monthly payment, per child, from the government (more tax money).

Additionally there's too many options for refugees to become burdens on their sponsors as there's no mandate for them to seek employment. Nor can a sponsor force a refugee in their care to accept employment. I'm not suggesting that they're all going to be a bunch of deadbeats, but that's an unreasonable request in my mind to be forced to support someone if they don't want to work. Plus there's the typical "dey took our jerbs!" problem.

The system you described seems pretty stable. I really don't see the issue apart from the obvious "having more people". Of course having more people brings costs but it also does bring different opportunities. Especially in a country like Canada, with huge resources, small population and faaaaar away from all the troubles.

[Tradewind]

The system you described seems pretty stable. I really don't see the issue apart from the obvious "having more people". Of course having more people brings costs but it also does bring different opportunities. Especially in a country like Canada, with huge resources, small population and faaaaar away from all the troubles.

Your description of Canada is missing the part about large and increasing unemployment, steadily approaching 2008 recession levels of unemployment, at 7.3% today. We should be helping Canadians first, not pie in the sky humanitarian projects whose defined goals seem to change every week.

[Reinhard von Lohengramm]

Working class should do their part too.

What gives you the right to push that sort of obligation onto other people?

Just think that over for a few moments.

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Your description of Canada is missing the part about large and increasing unemployment, steadily approaching 2008 recession levels of unemployment, at 7.3% today. We should be helping Canadians first, not pie in the sky humanitarian projects whose defined goals seem to change every week.

This... this... this.

It'll be interesting to see where things go in 2019 when the fruits of Trudeau's blind social optimism and idealism become known.

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Your description of Canada is missing the part about large and increasing unemployment, steadily approaching 2008 recession levels of unemployment, at 7.3% today. We should be helping Canadians first, not pie in the sky humanitarian projects whose defined goals seem to change every week.

Yeah, but that really doesnt mean that much. You're talking economic evolutions while i'm talking about macro economics and potentials.
There is NO DOUBT about the bright shining future Canada has ahead apart from huge fuck ups like war or aliens. It really is simple. The ratio resources/people doesnt suggest any other scenario, your geographical position is unique.... what do you want more?

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What gives you the right to push that sort of obligation onto other people?

Just think that over for a few moments.

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This... this... this.

It'll be interesting to see where things go in 2019 when the fruits of Trudeau's blind social optimism and idealism become known.

So... you're telling me that a nation bordering the USA, as large as half a continent, with a population the size of spain, ful of resources and isolated from all hot zones in the world, has anything but a bright future ahead.

God you guys live in fear.

[Rennadrel]

what are you talking about?
Private sponsorship means (unless im wrong), that people coming would already have a job and theyre good at what they do. Extremism is born out of desperation in western society too.

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if you're complaining about 30-50-100 k selected people incoming in a rich western country 36 million strong, yes you're not being rational. There's absolutely no threat to canadian people or society.

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Welcome to democracy.

Right, because Canada is some rich country with tens of thousands of jobs just waiting for these people to come here and snatch up....

Get real, Canada isn't some wonderful fucking paradise where everyone lives happily and can get by with relative ease. No, many of us struggle to pay our bills because the cost of living is high here, meanwhile these refugees get a free ride off the back of the tax payers. Must be nice to have people who are sympathetic to your situation, because the government and Canadians as a whole, don't give a fuck about one another's problems. It's amazing that people in this country would rather give their money to help a bunch of Syrians than they would to help the needy and poor in our own country.