Legion can save WoW ?? - "20 Reasons Why World of Warcraft Sucks Now" Do you agree?

[Taeldorian]

This list could have been much shorter.....

1. Cataclysm
2. Mists of Pandaria

That is all.....

That's an opinion. I had fun in both cata and mop despite the long content droughts which I just unsubbed for anyway.

[lightofdawn]

say what you want about wow but pay to win? fuck if that's true... NOTHING you can buy with real money affects the endgame in any way shape or form. the closest thing to "pay to win" is the boosts, and yeah i agree those are kinda dumb, but it gives you a very bare bones character, and no amount of real money you spend will progress you through the end game (unless of course you buy mythic runs with cash, but thats against tos)

[Sentynel]

I stopped reading after Pay to Win features.

Where, exactly? Are we playing the same game?

[Granyala]

WoW needs saving?

Hm.. and here I was thinking WoW needs CONTENT.

[Raetary]

This list could have been much shorter.....

1. Cataclysm
2. warlords of draenor

That is all.....

fixed.
/10chars

[ro9ue]

say what you want about wow but pay to win? fuck if that's true... NOTHING you can buy with real money affects the endgame in any way shape or form. the closest thing to "pay to win" is the boosts, and yeah i agree those are kinda dumb, but it gives you a very bare bones character, and no amount of real money you spend will progress you through the end game (unless of course you buy mythic runs with cash, but thats against tos)

You can technically buy Mythic BoEs with gold which you can purchase through the token. It's not as cut and dry as obvious P2W models, but I can see how you can make that argument. Still it's a grey area. You can't buy every slot, and you aren't directly buying powerful items, you can just buy the gold to pick it up on AH. You can also buy carries through Mythic with gold, which you can buy for money.

So, yeah it's not straight up Blizzard selling gear, but I can definitely understand the point of view that believes the game has become P2W.

[Jibjub]

Let's get WoW 2.0 ... an MMO for people who like MMOs! Non-MMO Blizzard fans have plenty of other games now to enjoy so Blizzard doesn't have to develop an MMO for people who despise MMOs!

Everybody wins.

[Deleted]

Let's get WoW 2.0 ... an MMO for people who like MMOs! Non-MMO Blizzard fans have plenty of other games now to enjoy so Blizzard doesn't have to develop an MMO for people who despise MMOs!

Everybody wins.

They tried that. It was called Wildstar.

Ask the several tens of people still playing whether that was a good idea.

[Bizerk]

nice clickbait. Its pretty obvious to everyone who actually quit wow that its a shitfest now and won't ever come back from the endless spiral of new casual features and delayed, short content. In fact it will be surprising if there ever is an actual good mmo in the near future.

[Deleted]

#5: Endgame PVE sucks coming from dude that prolly didnt even kill everything on hc pre nerfs. If you dont like wow go play something else and stop complaining.

[Kryos]

Particularly I think the wow lost much of its original charm, ai found this video, which was not made by me, but I agree with it all, what do they say ?? It would be nice if Blizzard reflect on it ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AyiO9-7Wk0&spfreload=5
The twenty reasons "described" are:
#20: Night time is still not dark enough

irrelevant and nights where never pitch black. Example:

#19: Flying mounts (Embrace them or don't) # Add - Everyone just fly, you do not find enemy players in the world, only when catch you by surprise when doing quests ....

BC introduced flying mounts - the subs continued to increased like crazy and WotlK even allowed to fly earlier (druids) and they peaked at 12 million there. So flying was never and will never be the reason for sub increase or decrease. People also expect to be able to fly. If you give someone something and then take it away it's worse than never having it in the first place.

#18 Twitter/Facebook integration

Irrelevant, doesn't change anything in the game. If anything it could attract a few new users.

#17 Leveling compared to previous expansions sucks

You have to get level 100 (soon 110) in the same time you needed to get level 60. It's logical, that things get speed up too much. I hope they will manage to make the whole concept of "zones scale according to your level" all over Azeroth at one point.

#16: Community is fucking retarded and Blizz appeals to lowest common denominator

Pretty much always was. Only the first 6 months it was different. Once people know how the game works and don't need help many act arrogant and like assholes. It's in all games the same.

#15: Lack of Social features/encouragement

The only thing I agree. People need a reason to build groups and bond. While many say "people who don't want to socialise, won't do it no matter what" forget that many people are shy and don't want to talk to strangers. If the game gives a good reason to do so, they have a starter topic and later on it can expand to communication beyond the quest objectives you do together.

#14: Ashran Sucks

Like all open world PVP zones. Silithus was bullshit, too.

#13: Inflated Gold

What's the problem with that? Is is relevant if something costs 1000 copper or 1000 gold? If you had 1000 copper in the past and now you have 1000 gold it's irrelevant.

#12: Pay to Win Features

Haven't seen any. Only "pay to no play" like the level 100 boost.

#11: Dungeons less relevant at level cap/too raid focused

Dungeons will become more relevant, but dungeons lost relevance since late BC and during WotlK already. Did not change the subs, they increased. Raid was always PVE engame and Blizzard said that all the time.

#10: Low level dungeons horrible

They are too easy, people don't learn their class in them. That's about it. I also would welcome a bit higher difficulty so non-tanks can die on adds again.

#9: Low Level experience is horrible

I know a guy who started WoW and he is very happy. The only thing he is dislikes (and I agree) is that if you start a quest chain, the final quest will be grey since you outleveled the zone already. That needs to be fixed somehow.

#8: Crafting system no longer relevant

Agreed, will be taken care of in Legion.

#7: PVP ratings deflated - PVP sucks now

PVP always sucked. I never heard from PVP players that PVP was good. Never. Not even classic and BC.

#6: Mission Table+Garrison shit

Yes

#5: Endgame PVE sucks

Raiding is ok, just missing a third tier.

#4 Single Player Experience # Add - Nobody comes out of that damn garrison ...

There wasn't much single player experience outside quests and leveling in WoW ever.

3 Ability Squish

Is a good thing.

#2 CRZ
#1 Game is no longer about the overall experience, but the end package

Always was.

[Frolk]

OP might be reason #21, only cause he added "Pay2Win" as 1 of the reasons, dont talk about P2W if u got no clue please

[Tabbycat]

WoW died years ago and is a Zombie.

[Deleted]

Without reading since I can't be bothered to read your vitriol: No, i don't agree.

[SoulSoBreezy]

It's a list!...but the quality of it is so poor that I can't bring myself against it =(.

I self promote as bad as anyone, but it's these pandering, DAE types of videos I rail against.

[Tuesdays]

I hate the game!

Please hate it with me!

/yawn

[lightofdawn]

You can technically buy Mythic BoEs with gold which you can purchase through the token. It's not as cut and dry as obvious P2W models, but I can see how you can make that argument. Still it's a grey area. You can't buy every slot, and you aren't directly buying powerful items, you can just buy the gold to pick it up on AH. You can also buy carries through Mythic with gold, which you can buy for money.

So, yeah it's not straight up Blizzard selling gear, but I can definitely understand the point of view that believes the game has become P2W.

thats a very roundabout way to obtain gear, and even then, it doesnt put you above other players like in other games where you can buy actual sets of gear with better stats than mythic (for lack of a better word) gear

[nandomau]

OP might be reason #21, only cause he added "Pay2Win" as 1 of the reasons, dont talk about P2W if u got no clue please

Yes, I agree, the video speaks of P2W, I do not, do not think it P2W system in the game, as I said a few times over ... But I disagree with the conduct of Blizz to put a lot of things by "cash". .. mounts, companions, mascaras ... I'm afraid she start to put skins pras legendary weapons or other style things soon ...
The game already has a high price and higher fees to almost all the competition ... GW2 is much cheaper, for example ... BlackDesert also ...
The problem is that I have a special affection for WoW ...
But you can see, the mounts more "beautiful" are always cash (the bat, red ravager, dragon fairy, etc.)...

[spinner981]

I still fail to see ANY pay to win feature in the game.

To be fair, it depends on what you mean by 'winning' in WoW. You can never really 'beat' WoW or 'win' at WoW, you only further progress. Now you can pay money to skip large amounts of the leveling up process, and can exchange money for gold through blizzard, allowing to buy yourself into high items levels to be able to fight harder bosses.

[nandomau]

thats a very roundabout way to obtain gear, and even then, it doesnt put you above other players like in other games where you can buy actual sets of gear with better stats than mythic (for lack of a better word) gear

Yes, I agree, the video speaks of P2W, I do not, do not think it P2W system in the game, as I said a few times over ... But I disagree with the conduct of Blizz to put a lot of things by "cash". .. mounts, companions, mascaras ... I'm afraid she start to put skins pras legendary weapons or other style things soon ...
The game already has a high price and higher fees to almost all the competition ... GW2 is much cheaper, for example ... BlackDesert also ...
The problem is that I have a special affection for WoW ...
But you can see, the mounts more "beautiful" are always cash (the bat, red ravager, dragon fairy, etc.)...