Mississippi governor signs law that allows businesses to refuse service to gay couple

[satimy]

Look, willful ignorance of basic English is not an argument, no matter how much you want it to be.

You're just straight-up wrong about what the word means. "Homophobia" has never referred to a "fear". Words with the root of "-phobia", in English, do not exclusively refer to fear reactions. You're pretending that they do, and that's just straight up incorrect.



Nobody's forcing homophobes to NOT be homophobes. Just to stop acting on that homophobia, and infringing on gay people's rights. You've never had a right to do that.

Now, if gay people were trying to ban literally all Christians from getting married, just for being Christian, then you might have an argument. But they aren't, and you don't.

In the English language according to Wikipedia

A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation the affected person will go to great lengths to avoid, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed. If the feared object or situation cannot be avoided entirely, the affected person will endure it with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities.

[Endus]

In the English language according to Wikipedia

A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation the affected person will go to great lengths to avoid, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed. If the feared object or situation cannot be avoided entirely, the affected person will endure it with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities.

Now try reading the wikipedia for "homophobia".

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

[Gemini Soul]

While i don't agree with this law and I'm all for LGBT having equal rights, it does keep a family owned bakery from being forced to do something they don't want to do IE:Make a cake for someone


I look at it like this...Private business should have the right to refuse who ever they want because they are private(family owned mom/pop type places), how ever if your a government or publicly owned business (traded on stock market, franchise, etc) then you don't have the right to refuse service.

[Sargerasraider]

While i don't agree with this law, it does keep a family owned bakery from being forced to do something they don't want to do IE:Make a cake for someone


I look at it like this...Private business should have the right to refuse who ever they want because they are private, how ever if your a government or publicly owned business (traded on stock market etc) then you don't have the right to refuse service.

Hate to break it to you, but you pretty much do agree with the law then.

[satimy]

Now try reading the wikipedia for "homophobia".

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

Its still defined as being based on fear

[Underverse]

While i don't agree with this law and I'm all for LGBT having equal rights, it does keep a family owned bakery from being forced to do something they don't want to do IE:Make a cake for someone


I look at it like this...Private business should have the right to refuse who ever they want because they are private(family owned mom/pop type places), how ever if your a government or publicly owned business (traded on stock market, franchise, etc) then you don't have the right to refuse service.

The problem with this mindset is that you're just propping up social divisions, when we should actively be trying to dissolve them.

[Elegiac]

I look at it like this...Private business should have the right to refuse who ever they want because they are private

No, they shouldn't.

[Pangean]

Its still defined as being based on fear

Did you miss the may bit?

[PosPosPos]

Its still defined as being based on fear

Do you know what "may" means? I mean you just ignored everything else and cherrypicked a tiny part of the definition to suit your myopic narrative.

Now try reading the wikipedia for "homophobia".

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

[Grimbold21]

No, I'm not pretending it doesn't mean what it means, I conceded your point and you are yammering about inanely as though it matters. I applied it that specific time(and likely quite a few others for what it's worth) in the very general every use of it. You want to get all technical on me and I'm outright telling you that not only are you right but that my designation wasn't aiming for that at all but to highlight the specifics of its' common use and totally shit on that argument which is again all too common.

Go on beating that drum man. No I don't like homosexuality but I have nothing against gay people, what they do on their own time is completely irrelevant to me but I don't think it's beyond the pale of reason to have the ability to refuse them service, or refuse anyone service for any reason whatsoever. It's my shop, my risk I'm taking by not doing it and ultimately it's up to me to value the who, what and why my labor is being directed to.

Yeah we're talking about that, and I don't see any problem with that at all. Equal rights under the law would be right of refusal. There's no effort to marginalize, they can go elsewhere and conduct business and while it's exclusionary it's not malicious and not done for anything other than purely moral reasons whether religious or otherwise.

That 2nd paragraph of yours seems to be contraditory. You dont like homosexuality but you have nothing agaisnt gays? You'll refuse service to gays even though you just said u have nothing against them?

[Elegiac]

That 2nd paragraph of yours seems to be contraditory. You dont like homosexuality but you have nothing agaisnt gays? You'll refuse service to gays even though you just said u have nothing against them?

Self-excusing so that they can reconcile the fact they're a bigot with their belief that they aren't a bad person.

[satimy]

Do you know what "may" means? I mean you just ignored everything else and cherrypicked a tiny part of the definition to suit your myopic narrative.

DO you know what may means?

[Elegiac]

DO you know what may means?

'A possibility amongst several potential causes or choices'.

[Gemini Soul]

The problem with this mindset is that you're just propping up social divisions, when we should actively be trying to dissolve them.

Then we might as well bring back slavery and forced labor, a person goes into a private business wanting service they are denied that person QQ's and then big brother steps in saying you service them or ELSE...

Privately owned business should have the right to refuse service to who ever they want. They are private not publicly owned, traded, franchise etc. When you cross that line from private to public then you shouldn't have the right to refuse service.

[Elegiac]

Then we might as well bring back slavery and forced labor, a person goes into a private business wanting service they are denied that person QQ's and then big brother steps in saying you service them or ELSE...

Crap analogy is crap.

Here's the real reason. You are allowed to discriminate, but not selectively so; if you choose not to make cakes for a person because of 'religious reasons', you have to apply that to everyone not of your particular religious stripe.

Privately owned business should have the right to refuse service to who ever they want. They are private not publicly owned, traded, franchise etc. When you cross that line from private to public then you shouldn't have the right to refuse service.

Being a private business does not magically render you immune to regulation, point in fact.

[satimy]

'A possibility amongst several potential causes or choices'.

theres only 2 listed

[Pangean]

DO you know what may means?

That's not quite addressing the point. Would you care to try again?

[Grimbold21]

Some of seem to be torn on this dilema between protecting the notion of private business or stopping intolerance, except you're not really cause you're so bent up on the first's freedom that you're willing to discriminate - or atleast let it slide- agaisnt the second.

[Gemini Soul]

No, they shouldn't.

By that logic a little old lady piano teacher who works 40 hours a weak teaching piano, can't say no to teaching another student who requests her service as a piano teacher because she doesn't want to take on that extra work load. You think the government should kick down her door and tell her she teaches that student or she teaches no one at all?

[PosPosPos]

DO you know what may means?

Yeah, it's something everyone else picked up in their very early childhood. Except you apparently.

Since you don't know what "may" means, here's a link to a dictionary for you:

may

1.
(used to express possibility):
It may rain.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/may


Definition of may

past might play \ˈmīt\ present singular & plural may

1
c —used to indicate possibility or probability <you may be right> <things you may need> ; sometimes used interchangeably with can <one of those slipups that may happen from time to time — Jessica Mitford> ; sometimes used where might would be expected <you may think from a little distance that the country was solid woods — Robert Frost>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/may