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    I don't believe in gender roles, but they're widespread and historically constant. They're useful to analyze because the value of a role's labor is a good indication of the value of the individual fulfilling the role. What this difference in the value of men's and women's labor amounts to is a discrepancy in the types of laws that protect female bodies vs. male bodies, a prioritization of male-similar genitalia in sex-assignment surgery for intersex persons, a discrepancy in wage labor rates between men and women for the same work, a discrepancy in the number of women and men participating in powerful political positions. A system of systems: medical, financial, legal, political -- all work harder to empower men and oppress women, than they do to empower women and oppress men, although, of course, there is some of each.

    On a personal level, the things I've witnessed are, for example, the way a woman is more likely to be ignored in conversation, the way that a little boy is rewarded and encouraged in class by the teacher more generously than a little girl is, the way that my female-bodied friends find it more difficult to get a raise than their less capable male counter parts, the way that in my field, women I know have been habitually sexually harassed by their almost all male bosses. I'll cut it short here for space.
    Quite a load of bullshit you managed to spew in such short time.

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    Wage gap is a debunked myth. Sadly so. I still have the opinion, that there are certain jobs certain genders perform better or worse in. And I believe someone should be payed for their performance, not for hours.
    But anyway, since there is no such thing as a wage gap, this thread is clickbait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...der-inequality




    The discussion is just beginning. Are you surprised that in 2016 there is still such a backlash towards women getting a fair wage?
    I don't know about all of that, but most of what you are talking about "fair wage" is based off the lie that women get paid less than men for the same work. That is false and has been proven false several times over.


    Again, don't really care about what is happening there in that situation but I personally believe that if you base your strong opinion off a lie then you are subject to all types of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphalion View Post

    They complain about this, but they started a few years ago the popular hashtag #killallmen smh
    That latter doesn't justify the former especially since a few women were spreading that hashtag in response to abuse in the form death and rape threats both online and IRL so as you see it is reactionary not rationally inspiring the murder of all men! It must be really hard to understand the position of victims of abuse if you've never been a victim yourself...

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    Can a Mod explain to us "common folk" how a thread on feminism isn't locked under the new "No gender-related threads" rule, and how come a certain someone is allowed to keep breaking that same rule without a ban?

    I'd really like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakloh View Post
    Quite a load of bullshit you managed to spew in such short time.
    So you counter his well written post by flaming him? Awesome./

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Daquan Biggums View Post
    Wage gap is a myth perpetuated by flawed studies that purposefully don't take all data into account in order to get the biased results they want.
    Everyone knows this, by the way. Why we still have to remind people of this fact is mind-boggling. Feminists and SJW's clinging to a complete and utter falsehood to give them a sense of purpose, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    I don't believe in gender roles, but they're widespread and historically constant. They're useful to analyze because the value of a role's labor is a good indication of the value of the individual fulfilling the role. What this difference in the value of men's and women's labor amounts to is a discrepancy in the types of laws that protect female bodies vs. male bodies, a prioritization of male-similar genitalia in sex-assignment surgery for intersex persons, a discrepancy in wage labor rates between men and women for the same work, a discrepancy in the number of women and men participating in powerful political positions. A system of systems: medical, financial, legal, political -- all work harder to empower men and oppress women, than they do to empower women and oppress men, although, of course, there is some of each.

    On a personal level, the things I've witnessed are, for example, the way a woman is more likely to be ignored in conversation, the way that a little boy is rewarded and encouraged in class by the teacher more generously than a little girl is, the way that my female-bodied friends find it more difficult to get a raise than their less capable male counter parts, the way that in my field, women I know have been habitually sexually harassed by their almost all male bosses. I'll cut it short here for space.
    Their lack of raises are DIRECTLY impacted by their ability to persuade their peers and superiors with their work and actions.

    If they do not have a high D personality, they are less likely to get a raise in a corporate environment. Done.

    End.

    No more discussion.

    It isn't because they have a vagina. It's that because they have a vagina they are less genetically disposed to the dominant traits.

    As children girls aren't told to toughen up when they fall, but a boy is. You treat them both the same and you're going to have cries of sexism either way. Because the girl is never told to shut up and stop crying they slowly erode that level control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphalion View Post
    They complain about this, but they started a few years ago the popular hashtag #killallmen smh
    "They started it" is probably one of the most childish arguments ever, get your head out of your ass if you want to be taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    Their lack of raises are DIRECTLY impacted by their ability to persuade their peers and superiors with their work and actions.

    If they do not have a high D personality, they are less likely to get a raise in a corporate environment. Done.

    End.

    No more discussion.

    It isn't because they have a vagina. It's that because they have a vagina they are less genetically disposed to the dominant traits.

    As children girls aren't told to toughen up when they fall, but a boy is. You treat them both the same and you're going to have cries of sexism either way. Because the girl is never told to shut up and stop crying they slowly erode that level control.
    Again, why we need to explain simple human basic facts to TWO people in this thread is beyond me. There is no wage gap in the real world. What you just said is exactly the truth, and everyone in the REAL WORLD knows it. And quite frankly, because of backwards sexism, at least at my job, women are purposely being hired to run departments to not appear sexist. It's quite funny. But as I mentioned previously, I'm a network engineer so I make more than most of them anyway.. but it's still too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeline10 View Post
    Again, why we need to explain simple human basic facts to TWO people in this thread is beyond me. There is no wage gap in the real world. What you just said is exactly the truth, and everyone in the REAL WORLD knows it. And quite frankly, because of backwards sexism, at least at my job, women are purposely being hired to run departments to not appear sexist. It's quite funny. But as I mentioned previously, I'm a network engineer so I make more than most of them anyway.. but it's still too funny.
    Yeah. Affirmative Vagina Action!

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    I don't believe in gender roles, but they're widespread and historically constant. They're useful to analyze because the value of a role's labor is a good indication of the value of the individual fulfilling the role. What this difference in the value of men's and women's labor amounts to is a discrepancy in the types of laws that protect female bodies vs. male bodies,
    Female Circumcision is Illegal, Male Circumcision isn't.




    a prioritization of male-similar genitalia in sex-assignment surgery for intersex persons,
    Source? As far as I am aware froma surgery standpoint, its easier to go M-t-F than F-t-M

    a discrepancy in wage labor rates between men and women for the same work,
    There are numerous studies that contradict this, and when you look at young women vs young men, the women earn more, meaning there is a shift, its just going to take a while for all the baby boomers to die.

    a discrepancy in the number of women and men participating in powerful political positions.
    All that indicates is women may be less of conniving, power hungry sociopaths.

    A system of systems: medical, financial, legal, political -- all work harder to empower men and oppress women, than they do to empower women and oppress men, although, of course, there is some of each.
    Legal systems are skewed towards women if anything, I have to pay more for my health insurance now to get pregnancy coverage (i am a single male, so I don't need this coverage). You are making wide generalizations about complex systems and just assuming everything is always worse for women when in fact it isn't.

    On a personal level, the things I've witnessed are, for example, the way a woman is more likely to be ignored in conversation,
    You hang out with shitty people.

    the way that a little boy is rewarded and encouraged in class by the teacher more generously than a little girl is,
    Where the hell does this happen?


    the way that my female-bodied friends find it more difficult to get a raise than their less capable male counter parts,
    Female-bodied what the fuck does that even mean? and if you are bad at getting a raise, its probably because: Your work sucks, yiou are a bad negotiator, you don't know how to play office politics (this is completely independent of gender)

    the way that in my field, women I know have been habitually sexually harassed by their almost all male bosses. I'll cut it short here for space.
    What field is this? I have never actually witnessed an incidence of sexual harassment at my workplace, I know of a few incidence that ocurred in the call-center below me (guess what, the guy was fired) and any of them were interactions with peers, not bosses (in fact there is an equal number of male and female VPs in my division.

  13. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    That latter doesn't justify the former especially since a few women were spreading that hashtag in response to abuse in the form death and rape threats both online and IRL so as you see it is reactionary not rationally inspiring the murder of all men! It must be really hard to understand the position of victims of abuse if you've never been a victim yourself...
    You can not justify #KillAllMen, you just can not. You can go all BLa, bla bla, but you can not justify it. And as long as this travesty continues you will hear it the other way around too, even if it is just because they are mocking the incredibly stupid feminists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmeebs View Post
    Female Circumcision is Illegal, Male Circumcision isn't.





    Source? As far as I am aware froma surgery standpoint, its easier to go M-t-F than F-t-M



    There are numerous studies that contradict this, and when you look at young women vs young men, the women earn more, meaning there is a shift, its just going to take a while for all the baby boomers to die.



    All that indicates is women may be less of conniving, power hungry sociopaths.



    Legal systems are skewed towards women if anything, I have to pay more for my health insurance now to get pregnancy coverage (i am a single male, so I don't need this coverage). You are making wide generalizations about complex systems and just assuming everything is always worse for women when in fact it isn't.



    You hang out with shitty people.



    Where the hell does this happen?




    Female-bodied what the fuck does that even mean? and if you are bad at getting a raise, its probably because: Your work sucks, yiou are a bad negotiator, you don't know how to play office politics (this is completely independent of gender)



    What field is this? I have never actually witnessed an incidence of sexual harassment at my workplace, I know of a few incidence that ocurred in the call-center below me (guess what, the guy was fired) and any of them were interactions with peers, not bosses (in fact there is an equal number of male and female VPs in my division.
    Thank you for breaking down that shitpost sentence by sentence. I was about to do the same thing. Keep up the good work.

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    Bake sale with unequal prices by gender is sexist, imagine doing a bake sale and making white people pay more for cupcakes

    Gender wage gap is a myth, debunked many times, it's political manipulation and if you fell for it you're not very smart

    I feel like we've done this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    Okay, that's it.

    I'll take the infraction for this.

    You have to be fucking stupid as fuck to not know what a banned topic is. If the list states NO GENDER DISCUSSIONS and then you bring up a discussion about a bake sale that has to do DIRECTLY with gender, then you're hands down one of the stupidest people I have ever met. When a topic is banned, it doesn't matter if it "sparks discussion".
    So you're flaming me for posting a topic you don't like? You can just not post in this thread you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    Their lack of raises are DIRECTLY impacted by their ability to persuade their peers and superiors with their work and actions.

    If they do not have a high D personality, they are less likely to get a raise in a corporate environment. Done.

    End.

    No more discussion.

    It isn't because they have a vagina. It's that because they have a vagina they are less genetically disposed to the dominant traits.

    As children girls aren't told to toughen up when they fall, but a boy is. You treat them both the same and you're going to have cries of sexism either way. Because the girl is never told to shut up and stop crying they slowly erode that level control.
    I'd not actually consider their having genetically different dispositions as the cause of their being less assertive in demands. This is perhaps due to socialisation and the way that culture treats children differently (due to their gender perhaps). Not their gender, but how they are raised because of their gender.

    Sadly, this is a sort of discrimination that may have detrimental effects on the person in the longer term, and it is compounded by the sheer volume of this type of behaviour. Parents are doing their girls a disservice when they don't teach them to express their needs and stand on their rights. Similarly boys are being done a disservice when they are told to simply man-up and not to own their feelings. My argument in this case is that it is socially constructed patterns of behaviour that create the situation, rather than simply being inherently different. It is quite implicit and perhaps unintentional, but counterproductive nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Does that justify comments like
    “I want to rape these feminist cunts with their fucking baked goods”
    I go into Call of Duty match, I get tenfold worst than that. Don't try to spin that Online threats are aimed at women alone.
    Do note that I'm not in favor of any threats against any gender; Simply stating the fact that this is not a gendered issue. People are assholes Online, deal with it or kindly fuck off. (or make a seven-headed dog issue out of it, I'm sure that helps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    Okay, that's it.

    I'll take the infraction for this.

    You have to be fucking stupid as fuck to not know what a banned topic is. If the list states NO GENDER DISCUSSIONS and then you bring up a discussion about a bake sale that has to do DIRECTLY with gender, then you're hands down one of the stupidest people I have ever met. When a topic is banned, it doesn't matter if it "sparks discussion".
    You sound pretty triggered

    Maybe no one should be allowed to discuss topics you find uncomfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    So you're flaming me for posting a topic you don't like? You can just not post in this thread you know?
    His liking or disliking is irrelevant. It's against the rules to create a gender based topic.

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