Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[Thanatoss]

We could agree on that and i hope that wouldn't happen but have it somewhat like nostalrius. a overall / main server

But they can't do that without alienating realm types and regions

[Deleted]

We're questioning if even one vanilla server would be worthwhile and that's your answer?

No, that's my answer to another persons question and on that topic there is not 1 private server out there that's popular but more of other expansions as well.
So of course IF u take 1 legacy server into consideration you'd have to take the others into it as well.

[Saeran]

#PrayforNostalrius
#NostalriusGate

Feel free to use those, constantly.

How about no?

[SoulSoBreezy]

Indeed i agree but people can speculate and defend whatever they want but none will be right until we actually had the answers from seeing it ourself but with the shown grown interest over the phast years for the hunger of vanila servers i can only assume it could go 1 direction.

Take a look on Minecraft, they have legacy servers, it went good for them but sure that's a whole other story but people do want legacy servers

But that's not what'll convince Blizzard. They need to see a strategy to grab these players (who largely have the mindset of not paying for a legacy server) and be able to retain a subscription.
Over a hundred million players have ever played wow. 150k players were actively playing a classic server in 2016, barely breaking even with rented equipment and a volunteer team. Meanwhile there're a few multiboxers on retail who pay for 40 accounts per.
Classic servers are *tough* sell.

[Doomchicken]

There is no content to ask for.
Release the server with it's full content vanila server from start with everything and once people finished up there they can move on to the full established TBC one
and so on. IF u want new content go to the retail.

Wait, so not only do you want them to make legacy servers for vanilla, but for TBC too? So you want to split the already small nostalgic playerbase even further? Yeah, don't think that's happening.

[zorkuus]

So of course IF u take 1 legacy server into consideration you'd have to take the others into it as well.

And you can't see what the problem is in that?

Okay, so now instead of just one server, we have 9 for each expansion. You see how this starts to be come a problem?

Seems to be way over his head.

[aejt]

(who largely have the mindset of not paying for a legacy server)

That's where your speculation is wrong. I hadn't talked to a single person on Nostalrius who wouldn't be willing to pay for an official legacy server before they shut down Nostalrius.

150k players were actively playing a classic server in 2016, barely breaking even with rented equipment and a volunteer team.

Why do you keep mentioning this? You know they intentionally made it so that users couldn't donate for a lot of the server's lifespan, right?

[Deleted]

Okay, so now instead of just one server, we have 9 for each expansion. You see how this starts to be come a problem?

Well i do but again, if volunteer people can make such things happens Blizzard could and i don't doubt them for a second about it but it looks like some people deny anyting and everything is impossible. You gotta have faith and actually work for stuffs to happen and you can make anything possible, sounds like some dream speech but it's fucking do-able.

[Dhrizzle]

Okay, so now instead of just one server, we have 9 for each expansion. You see how this starts to be come a problem?

More likely they'll need dozens for each expansion at launch, then merge and close a load to get it down to 6 each after the tourists have moved on.

[SoulSoBreezy]

Okay, so now instead of just one server, we have 9 for each expansion. You see how this starts to be come a problem?

Whoa whoa. So long as we're on the MoP version when the battle healer glyph was totally broken, I'm in.
As soon as they go off that patch, gg I'm going to a private server where they give give us what players *really* want.

[Lorianus]

Wait, so not only do you want them to make legacy servers for vanilla, but for TBC too? So you want to split the already small nostalgic playerbase even further? Yeah, don't think that's happening.

PvE/PvP/RP x NA/EU/KR/Oceanic/Asia = 15 New Servers + 15 TBC + 15 Wotlk (because why not) maybe Cata/Mop too but thats a little bit too soon maybe.

So we are hypotheticaly talking 45 new servers.

[Dhrizzle]

Well i do but again, if volunteer people can make such things happens Blizzard could and i don't doubt them for a second about it but it looks like some people deny anyting and everything is impossible. You gotta have faith and actually work for stuffs to happen and you can make anything possible, sounds like some dream speech but it's fucking do-able.

I'm sure it is doable, just not worth it.

[Deleted]

Wait, so not only do you want them to make legacy servers for vanilla, but for TBC too? So you want to split the already small nostalgic playerbase even further? Yeah, don't think that's happening.

Who said anything about splitting and what makes you think retail players would leave for vanila servers?
You're basically defending and saying that old expansion servers are not good becuase none would play on them but then you start talk about it would split the community? Sounds like you just hit a wall with yourself mate.

And it wouldn't split them but also bring in more people who would like to enjoy these times on legal servers instead of all splited up on private servers.

[Doomchicken]

Newsflash for the anti legacy server guys: Then those guys are not quite the target audience here. As people who want Vanilla WoW want just that - vanilla wow. Not [whatever updates might be introduced].

People want to experience the Ever-Evolving World? Regular servers are said way.

Which goes back to the original point: That the current bunch of freeloaders aren't going to pay forever for never evolving content. Which means that once those numbers start dropping hard and they will drop hard, even if it's profitable in the short term, it sure as hell isn't profitable in the long term.

[Deleted]

I'd argue that 150.000 active players is a huge part as retail is currently down to ~2 million subs (from what I've heard). Even if going by Blizzard's last report, 4 million, it's still a very big part.

No, retail is up to 9 mill subs while nost had 9k active accounts (like in the vids)
from what I have heard [yes, I can make up numbers too]

[aejt]

PvE/PvP/RP x NA/EU/KR/Oceanic/Asia = 15 New Servers + 15 TBC + 15 Wotlk (because why not) maybe Cata/Mop too but thats a little bit too soon maybe.

So we are hypotheticaly talking 45 new servers.

Yeah, because the PvP to PvE to RP ratio is definitely 1:1:1. They could skip RP, and even PvE if they wanted to. Was that really so hard to think of yourself?

[SoulSoBreezy]

Fair enough, but they didn't even want to take donations or make money, so how much money the received from the players isn't a very good way to measure their success. If they had a "DONATE HERE!"-button on their website, I can assure you that they'd have made quite a bit more, but they'd also lose the respect from a lot of the users.

Respect aside, I thought it was pretty plain that they taking money was the start of their legal downfall in the first place.

[Deleted]

I'm sure it is doable, just not worth it.

Well that's nothing neither me or you can answer before we seen the results of it.
I am all for it and you're agains it, that's fine but at the end we need to see results and i belive in the future we will see it.

[zorkuus]

PvE/PvP/RP x NA/EU/KR/Oceanic/Asia = 15 New Servers + 15 TBC + 15 Wotlk (because why not) maybe Cata/Mop too but thats a little bit too soon maybe.

So we are hypotheticaly talking 45 new servers.

Well since the answer seems to be nothing short of pure magic from some of them that should be fairly easy and profitable.

[TheDestinatus]

Has this been posted yet? Can't think of a more amusing way to sum up this thread!