Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[A dot Ham]

The pro-pirate argument is just as weak today as it was when Napster got shut down.

[Deleted]

The pro-pirate argument is just as weak today as it was when Napster got shut down.

So you never download nothing from the internet right?

[Tuesdays]

By 60 he meant max lvl obviously (so 60 for a private vanilla server). There's still plenty of places where you can buy wow accounts for specific gear/titles/mounts. Account selling has always been a thing which is what he referred to.

Sure, but money still goes to Blizzard.

[Osmeric]

So you never download nothing from the internet right?

It's amusing you think you're making an argument there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

[Unholyground]

The pro-pirate argument is just as weak today as it was when Napster got shut down.

Just wait until 3D printers are the size of a room and you can print anything you could ever imagine, how will they stop piracy then? Oh they won't be able to. We are in the land of grey areas and have been since the beginning of high speed internet with digital goods and it will never change.

[Deleted]

It's amusing you think you're making an argument there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

THe problem with alot of people here always pointing fingers and calling us "thieves" are the ones that have the pc full of illegal shit

[Osmeric]

THe problem with alot of people here always pointing fingers and calling us "thieves" are the ones that have the pc full of illegal shit

No, that's not a problem whatsoever. Even if it were true, it would have no bearing on the legitimacy or legality of your own actions.

For the record: my PC is not full of "illegal shit", and it's telling that you imagine it would have to be. Psychologically project much?

[Ielenia]

No they aren't. They are just paying for server costs.

So, yes, the server company hosting the game is making a profit, if they're receiving money for the hosting company. A business is receiving money for their services. That is profiting.

[Deleted]

I believe the bearing is on the legitimacy of their argument, claiming someone is a thief for using a PServer but at the same time not holding their own transgressions to the same standard

That was my point .

[Osmeric]

I believe the bearing is on the legitimacy of their argument, claiming someone is a thief for using a PServer but at the same time not holding their own transgressions to the same standard

No, it has no bearing on the legitimacy of the argument. The argument that pservers are illegal and improper, like any logical argument, is independent of the moral status of the person making the argument. To think otherwise is to endorse ad hominem as a valid logical principle.

[Ielenia]

They only sold their servers, nothing else. Do you think that is illegal? Do you think selling blank CD and DVDs is illegal, just because someone could use them for illegal purposes?

If you knowingly and willingly allow a criminal to stay in your house (because he's part of your family or an old friend, for example), you are still charged with at least being compliant with the crimes they commit.

The hosting company knew what was going on with the servers they rented. They willingly profited from stolen copyrighted and trademarked material.

[Viikkis]

Woah this thread is still active. Why can't y'all just move along. Jeez!

[D3athsting]

So, yes, the server company hosting the game is making a profit, if they're receiving money for the hosting company. A business is receiving money for their services. That is profiting.

So when you make donations to charity do you think they throw banknotes into the fire or use them to pay for services/products to companies that work for profit?

[A dot Ham]

So you never download nothing from the internet right?

Irrelevant really, should any one of the companies I've stolen from want to come after me I don't get to pay the humanitarian card like these pricks are doing. "I just love your game/movie/music soooo much!"

Fuck you caught me what do I owe ya.


Plus I don't share I leech. Sharing/hosting is a sure fire way to find yourself on the wrong end of the stick. I also like to kick it back to the company/artist with a purchase if I like the content enough.

You gotta stream these days anyway. Some companies like HBO will actively pursue pirates. Porn companies just try and blackmail you.

[Ielenia]

But they didn't make a profit.

I find it really hard to believe this line, considering we have no evidence of that except the word from the criminals themselves, which is, honestly, worthless, since no criminal ever admits to the crime while he or she can plausibly deny it. And some never admit to it, even when proven wrong.

[A dot Ham]

Just wait until 3D printers are the size of a room and you can print anything you could ever imagine, how will they stop piracy then? Oh they won't be able to. We are in the land of grey areas and have been since the beginning of high speed internet with digital goods and it will never change.

It isn't a gray area. It's black and white, its stealing.

The only unknown (gray area) is how companies go about protecting their IP, and how they police that.

[Ielenia]

So when you make donations to charity do you think they throw banknotes into the fire or use them to pay for services/products to companies that work for profit?

The hosting company that was renting a server for the Nostalrius gang was not a charity. It's a legitimate business, and as such, sells their services to gain a profit. They were profiting from the illegal server, and there is just no way they didn't know they were hosting an illegal copy of WoW.

[Feril]

Woah this thread is still active. Why can't y'all just move along. Jeez!

Why move along? Just create a private forum with the first 10 pages of this thread and there you go, the best pages ever!

[A dot Ham]

So when you make donations to charity do you think they throw banknotes into the fire or use them to pay for services/products to companies that work for profit?

Do you honestly believe non-profit, means they don't turn a profit? How does a hospital or a school ever expand if they are simply meeting costs all the time?

[Namalia]

So, has anyone else reported that new private server website/client/name to hacks@blizzard.com yet? It's pretty easy to find in the subreddits that all the pro-legacy server people are decrying Blizzard (and any anti-legacy server people) in. I won't link them here, but you can find them if you google.

They're already starting to advertise them.