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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    It doesn't work that way. You don't have to provide evidence to the contrary. YOU have to provide a precise mathematical model that can be tested against a repeatable observation with 100% accuracy.
    97% of the scientific community has already done that. If you deny the evidence they provide, the burden of proof is on you. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears and say "NANANAN I CAN'T HEAR YOU".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    Are there even scientists that dare to say otherwise? That's my main concern here.
    If you dare to say Humans are not the (main) cause, the "scientific community" will drop you and your career ends instantly.
    See, here inlies your need to understand how this even works. If you can demonstrate, with working models, that you have a valid dissent, then it will be taken seriously. If you repeatedly use models that cannot be confirmed, fake your numbers, and in general prove yourself to have a political agenda to dissent rather than a valid concern, then yes, your word becomes dirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    You forgot live with inferior products, higher prices, and big inconveniences
    Not necessarily. See that is the great thing about science and innovation. Something better can and often does come out of it. If for example, we ever crack nuclear fusion, we'll have infinite, clean, cheap energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg265 View Post
    97% of the scientific community has already done that. If you deny the evidence they provide, the burden of proof is on you. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears and say "NANANAN I CAN'T HEAR YOU".
    The bigger problem with that statement is that 100% accuracy is not even realistic in scientific modeling. It's actually literally impossible; you can't even measure the length of an object with 100% accuracy.
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    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    It doesn't work that way. You don't have to provide evidence to the contrary. YOU have to provide a precise mathematical model that can be tested against a repeatable observation with 100% accuracy.
    1. We know more energy is remaining in the atmosphere despite energy coming in from the sun staying the same
    2. We know that greenhouse gasses are the mechanism causing it.
    3. We know that CO2, a major greenhouse gass, in the atmosphere has increased by nearly 50% in the last 150 year.
    4. We know that the increase in CO2 is from burning fossil fuels.
    5. We know that the energy trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelengths of energy captured by CO2.

    You can go on about semantics and keep committing the fallacy fallacy, but which one of those 5 points do you believe is wrong?

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    Only thing that is factual.. is that, wherever the pendulum swings, there's a lot of money involved towards that side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Human activities cause massive environmental damage, the least of which is a fluctuation in temperatures.
    If human activities are causing an increase in temperatures, that's actually a very, very big deal. Especially if such an increase is rapid. Sea level rise, stronger storms, out of sync pollination, floods and droughts, a decrease in fresh water supplies, increases in the spread of disease, changes in ecosystems.

    How exactly do these potential outcomes place "fluctuations in temperature" at the bottom of the list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    What kind of logic is that? I do not have to have to do anything to deny anything, it is my right. Burden of proof is on people claiming that AGCC is right, and so far they've been failing miserably at convincing me in that.
    They have shown it, and basically you are putting your fingers in your ears, covering your eyes and saying, " la la la la la nope not happening la la la la". Its not their fault you are scientifically illiterate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septik View Post
    good thing someone was able to round up all the worlds scientists and get an answer to this once and for all!!
    As the article says, there was a survey.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Again, more zealotous behaviour. You're commiting like a thousand logical fallacies here. But as long as it supports the SJW narrative it's okay right?
    Are you fucking serious? They provide zero scientific evidence that counters the claim that Climate Change is happening. You can stop with the SJW bullshit too. This has nothing to do with social justice. It has everything to do with destroying our planet by deforestation and pollution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yeah, Im not going to believe some biased study commissioned by an environmental activist rag
    But of course you will listen to Trump if he posted some bullshit from the 3% in his twitter feed right? Do you know those 3% that are denying it, are people being paid to deny it right? By the oil companies.

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    Guess we better stop being humans right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    See, I've explained it throughout this thread alone many times, and yet you ignored my explanations entirely..
    No you haven't. You've just made blanket statements and accusations, but you have not supported those statements or accusation - and in fact, you have claimed you don't need to (just because).
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    arent they smart...a whole study to figure it out.



    the other 3% must think its the fault of whatever little flora and fauna left in the world that has yet to go extinct thanks to humans.


    oh wait.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    The bigger problem with that statement is that 100% accuracy is not even realistic in scientific modeling. It's actually literally impossible; you can't even measure the length of an object with 100% accuracy.
    There are two related, important concepts, here. "Confidence", and "uncertainty". When talking about future projections, "confidence" is a measure of how likely that projection will include the actual outcomes, and "certainty" is how much variance within that projection exists.

    To simplify, imagine predicting the outcomes of a coin toss . we have a very high confidence that the outcome will be either heads or tails, but a low certainty that it might be heads, in particular. That uncertainty does not mean there's low confidence in the overall projection.

    The projections for 2100, in climate change, have low certainty but high confidence; we know the warming will continue, but we have 85 years of human history and potential natural cataclysms (major volcanic events, etc.) that will probably deviate from current trends over time . that affects certainty, not confidence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Stefan Molyneux is a fucking retard.
    100 % facts.... the guy is an historian and libertarian 2 things that make him absolutly irrelevent and bias on climate change.

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    Better kill all animals too, not just cows. The methane they release is just too much for the poor atmosphere to handle. I say we just nuke this whole planet from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Again, more zealotous behaviour....But as long as it supports the SJW narrative it's okay right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Unless there's some feel good SJW narrative behind it.
    Who is Zealous? SJW narrative? Laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg265 View Post
    Not necessarily. See that is the great thing about science and innovation. Something better can and often does come out of it. If for example, we ever crack nuclear fusion, we'll have infinite, clean, cheap energy.
    So how much longer do we have to wait for light bulbs that put out the same quality, glow, and brightness of a 100W incandescent bulb, when are we going to get Cristmas lights again that when you light up your tree produce a warm glow throughout the living room instead of bright pencil point lights that dont radiate light.

    How much longer do we have to wait for dishwashing detergent that cleans dishes as well as the detergents that had sulfates in them?

    How much longer do we have to wait for air conditioners that can cool your car down to 60 degrees on a 100 degree day like the FREON ones did?

    How much longer are we going to have to wait for shower heads with enough water pressure to actually wash the shampoo out of your hair without taking 20 minutes?

    How much longer are we going to have to wait for shower gels that scrub dead skin cells off as fast as microbeads do?

    How much longer do we have to wait to be able to go to a store and not have to drag a cartful of our own bags into the store?

    How much longer do we have to wait for "green" cars to catch up and provide the same performance as gasoline cars (charge from empty to full in less than 3 minutes) (same top speeds, HP, big size)

    How much longer do we have to wait for a toilet that you can actually flush your shit down again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    So how much longer do we have to wait for light bulbs that put out the same quality, glow, and brightness of a 100W incandescent bulb, when are we going to get Cristmas lights again that when you light up your tree produce a warm glow throughout the living room instead of bright pencil point lights that dont radiate light.

    How much longer do we have to wait for dishwashing detergent that cleans dishes as well as the detergents that had sulfates in them?

    How much longer do we have to wait for air conditioners that can cool your car down to 60 degrees on a 100 degree day like the FREON ones did?

    How much longer are we going to have to wait for shower heads with enough water pressure to actually wash the shampoo out of your hair without taking 20 minutes?

    How much longer are we going to have to wait for shower gels that scrub dead skin cells off as fast as microbeads do?

    How much longer do we have to wait to be able to go to a store and not have to drag a cartful of our own bags into the store?

    How much longer do we have to wait for "green" cars to catch up and provide the same performance as gasoline cars (charge from empty to full in less than 3 minutes) (same top speeds, HP, big size)

    How much longer do we have to wait for a toilet that you can actually flush your shit down again
    It depends on the demand. Right now there is no demand, because the oil companies have all the politicians in their pockets. If the demand was created, the technology would be right behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    but what about the other 3% clearly there is some debate that must be resolved?
    Well, some people think that science works like democracy: if the majority agrees on something, then it is hard truth that is not up to debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    No you haven't. You've just made blanket statements and accusations, but you have not supported those statements or accusation - and in fact, you have claimed you don't need to (just because).
    What support of those statements do you need? Should I link the definitions of a few logical fallacies to you or what? I'm not sure you even bothered to try to understand my point.
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