Social club at Harvard: "girls in boys' social clubs will incite sexual misconduct".

[Celista]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/us...imes&smtyp=cur

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — Members of the oldest all-male club at Harvard have almost never spoken publicly about the organization since its founding in 1791. This week, that silence was broken when an official with the group, the Porcellian Club, said that admitting women could increase the chances of sexual misconduct.

“Forcing single-gender organizations to accept members of the opposite sex could potentially increase, not decrease, the potential for sexual misconduct,” Charles M. Storey, the president of the club’s alumni group, wrote on Tuesday in a letter to The Harvard Crimson, the student newspaper.

On Twitter, Representative Katherine Clark, Democrat of Massachusetts, wrote, “Or, instead of blaming women, you could focus on teaching members of your club to NOT sexually assault people.”

What a laugh. "Oh no! If we allow girls in our club, they might get assaulted!" fucking please.

I could care less about social clubs at elite universities and whether all-boys and all-girls clubs should be forced to admit members of the opposite gender, but stating/implying "they might get raped!" as an excuse not to admit them is ludicrous.

[Cybran]

Topics discussing Gender politics are not allowed.

[Xirrohon]

Says sexual misconduct. Doesnt necessarily mean rape and sure, I can see adding women as a way of sexual misconduct being increased.

[Celista]

"They might rape!" seems to as often as not be used as an excuse for excluding or otherwise mistreating men, so meh.

Either is silly. Although I did read an interesting article about women-only train cars in India, apparently incidents of sexual assault there are so high that they felt compelled to create a women's only car. Men sat in the car anyway...

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsand...n-delhis-metro

[GennGreymane]

WHat is sexual misconduct? Actual sex? IS that why everywhere where boys and girls hang out there is just a giant orgy? Well it is a college.

Do they mean rape? Then they discriminate against women, and men. Because women may be the ones blocked from certain things, and men are all closet rapists.

[Celista]

Says sexual misconduct. Doesnt necessarily mean rape and sure, I can see adding women as a way of sexual misconduct being increased.

Are you saying that men can not control themselves around women to the point that they need to have their own club? :/ I actually think men and women should be allowed to have their own spaces if they wish, but I don't think that's a good defense for not wanting to admit them.

[Reeve]

What do they mean by "sexual misconduct?" If they mean rape, the same laws should protect women in the club as outside the club (and why are you suggesting the men of your organization are animals who will start sexually assaulting women if women are around?). If they just mean having sex in general, that's kind of part of being a college aged kid. They should be having sex.

[dbudd424]

My guess is they wanted to keep the club as a men/boys only out of tradition and under pressure they had to put some reason out there. They went for the one they thought would work. This will be interesting to watch thou.

[Jotaux]

Are you saying that men can not control themselves around women to the point that they need to have their own club? :/ I actually think men and women should be allowed to have their own spaces if they wish, but I don't think that's a good defense for not wanting to admit them.

Maybe he is saying women can't control themselves and there is concern over that. I did not see anything indicating that men or women in particular would be the perpetrators of sexual misconduct. I don't know why your mind would instantly assume men.

[Tradewind]

More amused by Katherine Clark's response lol. Gotta teach those men not to rape!

[Mad_Murdock]

I don't see the word rape in the article, I even searched for it, So not sure how you jumped to "They might get raped" Unless we're going with the new definition of me thinking about having sex with a girl is equal to rape.

I don't really see the issue with it myself. We have all male and all female schools, to help avoid the distractions of the opposite sex. Look, men sit around and talk like knuckle dragging apes when they are together, I don't even deny it. Sometimes that's just an environment we want to be in. Now you stick women in those environments and the men either have to police themselves and be careful not to say anything sexual "around" a female member or face the possibility that the females members will offended and complain and move to have said male members kicked out.

From the article, it seems that the clubs were willing to accept not being recognized by Harvard in order to maintain their choice of members.

[Celista]

Good old Separate But Equal.

Better have a whites-only train, too, so we can feel safe.

Well admittedly I do not think that men and women have the same experiences while taking public transit in India.

Note that I said "in India" and not "everywhere".

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More amused by Katherine Clark's response lol. Gotta teach those men not to rape!

Yeah it was a good laugh. It was an obviously sarcastic comment.

[Deleted]

Don't see anything wrong here tbh. And the response is polarizing the argument while it is neutral.

[Celista]

I don't see the word rape in the article, I even searched for it, So not sure how you jumped to "They might get raped" Unless we're going with the new definition of me thinking about having sex with a girl is equal to rape.

I don't think that is how universities define sexual misconduct. Usually sexual misconduct on campuses amounts to some sort of sexual assault.

[Reeve]

Good old Separate But Equal.

Better have a whites-only train, too, so we can feel safe.

We wouldn't want any incidents of racial misconduct.

[Tradewind]

Yeah it was a good laugh. It was an obviously sarcastic comment.

Judging by her twitter account, it wasn't sarcasm at all

[dbudd424]

Judging by her twitter account, it wasn't sarcasm at all

Hopefully not. I'm still waiting on the men's camps and the quad Bindel promised.

[Mad_Murdock]

I don't think that is how universities define sexual misconduct. Usually sexual misconduct on campuses amounts to some sort of sexual assault.

I kinda figured. That was a tongue in cheek reference to a different article where the fella said that it's getting to a place that using the word rape, equates to being raped.

In reference to the topic and as others have stated, I don't think it's limited to just men sexually assualting women. Maybe they just don't want to deal with the aspects of men and women getting together having sex on the grand piano or dealing with the possible love spats that happen. I read misconduct to be a fairly open statement on par with a boss having consensual sex with his secatary. It's not rape or assault or even illegal, but most companies have rules against it anyways.

[satimy]

Xhamster has blocked all boy girl porn in the state of Massachusetts

[Deleted]

Funny, that argument is also the one used by muslim people in some countries to force women to wear burka.

If they fear some students might assault women, maybe they should educate them better.