[Legion Spoiler] The Fate of King Thoras Trollbane

[Qprah]

So as im sure everyone has seen of the Death Knight campaign in Legion;




Thoras Trollbane is being raised as a Death Knight.



Whats interesting is that he mentions that Galen had killed him, which until now was :

Thoras Trollbane met his end when he was assassinated under mysterious circumstances following the Third War.This was merely the beginning of Stromgarde's darkest hour, as the kingdom soon came under siege by forces of the Syndicate and Boulderfist ogres. Without the leadership of their feared warrior king, the armies of Stromgarde could not stop the Syndicate and Boulderfist and they now managed to occupy much of its terrain, including most of the capital city. Thoras was succeeded as Stromgarde's ruler by his son, Prince Galen Trollbane.

This paints a very different picture of Stromgarde considering the claim that Galen had his father assassinated. Do you think Galen was working with the Syndicate before they apparently turned on him to take Stromgarde for themselves? He says in quest text that he hated the Syndicate in life and still does in death. It would fit that he doesnt like them if they helped him kill his father and double crossed him or if they just took advantage of his sole succession of his father.

What was Galen's motives? Other than being a ruler he didnt gain anything aside a kingdom in ruins. Galen managed to hold off a small wing of the city until the Horde killed him in Vanilla and raised him as a forsaken in Cataclysm. We see in the Death Knight quest that Forsaken Galen was successful in claiming the city for the most part, but his own text suggests he is no longer an ally of Sylvanas and would stand against her. This is a complete 180 from how he was in Cataclysm:

Following his resurrection as a Forsaken, Galen has become even more somber and reserved. Death appears to have humbled the young prince significantly and he now claims that he sees himself merely as an instrument of the Banshee Queen's will. Undeath has not dulled his determination however, and he seeks to use Trol'kalar solely for the benefit of the Dark Lady

So what is up with Galen? He just a shitty son who was craving power so bad he had his old man killed and then ran the kingdom into the dirt because he underestimated how much his father held it together? Sounds like another human prince.

[Arrashi]

Honestly it feels that blizzard just considered Galen to be disposable character, and if they are going to kill him they may as well paint him black. They do it from time to time.

[KrakHed]

This is a complete 180 from how he was in Cataclysm:

He was clearly sucking up to the Forsaken, because he's apparently a traitorous bastard who would use anyone. He had the Alliance's backing back in Vanilla, so he clearly knows how to play people.

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He was clearly sucking up to the Forsaken, because he's apparently a traitorous bastard who would use anyone. He had the Alliance's backing back in Vanilla, so he clearly knows how to play people.

Yeah he is a backstabber and nazgrim is awesome as always and thoras confirms a few details about the shadowlands which is helpful.

[shoc]

Galen was always a turd, they didn't even have to paint him black for us to feel good about finally killing him.

He killed his dad because he wanted power, it's about as simple as that. Once his dad was dead and he was crowned King of Stromgarde, he couldn't even keep control over the city state that he stole and it just ended up falling apart. Even after he became Forsaken he didn't give up on his lame dream of being a King.

Basically Galen killed his Dad over a power fantasy but couldn't be a King for shit.

I wonder if this means that Stromgarde is now an Ebon Blade foothold though, technically Thoras is once again the "King" of Stromgarde, justified by his possession of Trol'kalar.

[Friendlyimmolation]

He was a sshit in the warcraft rpg too, his biggest OOC moment was acting meek in Cata, but maybe it was an act. Good riddance.

[shoc]

He was a sshit in the warcraft rpg too, his biggest OOC moment was acting meek in Cata, but maybe it was an act. Good riddance.

Nah, being meek is his entire personality. He's a meek ass dude with no leadership capability but wanted to be the King so bad that he killed his dad over it.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Nah, being meek is his entire personality. He's a meek ass dude with no leadership capability but wanted to be the King so bad that he killed his dad over it.

So he's even more of a lil shit then I thought? Sylvanas should have spanked him harder to keep him in line. Tsk Tsk.

[The Professional]

So he's even more of a lil shit then I thought? Sylvanas should have spanked him harder to keep him in line. Tsk Tsk.

Sylvanas should have spanked you instead.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Sylvanas should have spanked you instead.

If you're going to try to be edgy, don't half ass it.

[derpkitteh]

when you first speak to undead galen, there's a moment where he says something followed with "..." so, i always assumed he didn't really like working for the forsaken.

i was hoping he'd become a secondary leader among the forsaken and make them better than they are now, but oh well, he's a shit.

[The Professional]

If you're going to try to be edgy, don't half ass it.

I'll half ass you.

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Honestly it feels that blizzard just considered Galen to be disposable character, and if they are going to kill him they may as well paint him black. They do it from time to time.

Galan is pretty powerful, he seems to be the man everyone deserves, including you.

[Graden]

He was clearly sucking up to the Forsaken, because he's apparently a traitorous bastard who would use anyone. He had the Alliance's backing back in Vanilla, so he clearly knows how to play people.

And look how that worked out for him and Stromgarde. Stormwind didn't lift a finger, it's the reason why Galen and the remaining Stromgardians fell. Unless you count that hole in the ground as backing.
Stormwind doesn't have the right to complain about Stromgarde being utterly destroyed and transformed into another undead kingdom, because they did shit about it.

Although Galen proved to be a dick, but still.

[Zulkhan]

Unless you count that hole in the ground as backing.

How is it called anymore? Refuge's Point?

Anyway I think we can safely blame Stormwind's relative inaction to Onyxia's shenanigans, since that was the situation at the start of WoW.

[Graden]

How is it called anymore? Refuge's Point?

Anyway I think we can safely blame Stormwind's relative inaction to Onyxia's shenanigans, since that was the situation at the start of WoW.

Yeah, Refuge Pointe it is.
Onyxia is a fair point, but even after they were dealt with her, Stormwind's preference was to try and reclaim Lordaeron, in the most laughable way.
Southshore was gone along with the entire Hillsbrand. So the smart move there should be to just stop dreaming about the reclamation of Lordaeron, and try to contain the Forsaken, by securing the borders of Arathi and Gilneas. I mean, you have 2 godamn huge walls that scream protection. I don't complain about Gilneas because they honestly tried hard and even achieved some important victories there.

Arathi though? After all these years since vanilia, they are still rotting inside that hole. All they had to do was to give a power boost to Stromgarde by sending a big enough force there. Sure, Galen was (un)dead, but small forces of Stromgarde were still present and active. The dwarfs are close enough to be able send reinforcements when necessary as well.
But instead, they wasted significant numbers of their forces in a hopeless attempt to win back some land in Lordaeron.
And we all know how it ended. Now not even any small ground they had in Lordaeron is gone, but Stromgarde is lost as well.

Danath's promises are debatable, but i gave up after all this time. He is only a man after all, an old one too. Doubtful Stormwind would lend him an army right now, and especially after the recent events, the living number of Arathorians that could follow him, must be quite low.

[Qprah]

Honestly it makes very little sense to not attempt to retake Arathi. All the things that made it a good place to begin with is the natural protection, natural resources etc. The Horde barely have any forces there, it should be an easy capture. Just roll in, take the central plains and Stromgarde. Push the Forsaken back to the wall and then seal it up. With Hammerfall surrounded they have no chance.

Compared to some of the other ventures the Alliance seems to partake in, Arathi should be a sound investment. Lots of natural defenses in the mountains and old walls, lots of resources in the very open and fresh farmland and mines, and of course access to the ocean in a secured easily defended bay. It also would connect the Wetlands to the Hinterlands to get the dwarves back in business.

[Deleted]

By making Galen a little shit does answer why Stromgarde fell so badly. I hope that Thoradin and Ignaeus bitch slap Galen for the rest of his eternity in the Shadowlands.

[Darth-Piekus]

The Death Knights did most of the work by disposing Galen and the Forsaken Force he had used to capture Stromgarde. The Alliance could send a small Force and capture it since there is noone left there.

[shoc]

Just saw the DK Campaign quests and jeez, Nazgrim really picked up that being a DK stuff quickly. He's just mass-strangulating everyone at every opportunity he can get.

[Deleted]

The Death Knights did most of the work by disposing Galen and the Forsaken Force he had used to capture Stromgarde. The Alliance could send a small Force and capture it since there is noone left there.

Why? It's a shithole that no one cares about and it's a logistical nightmare for those that care. Now I understand why humanity left that place in the first place.

Compared to some of the other ventures the Alliance seems to partake in, Arathi should be a sound investment. Lots of natural defenses in the mountains and old walls, lots of resources in the very open and fresh farmland and mines, and of course access to the ocean in a secured easily defended bay. It also would connect the Wetlands to the Hinterlands to get the dwarves back in business.

Overgrown farms and mines full of critters. Not only that, if Arathi lands were good, why the Alliance farmers preferred to go to Western Plaguelands?