Lets assume 15 dollars an hour happens

[Annoying]

why should ANYONE working a fulltime job be living in poverty?

This right here is the crux of the issue. Doesn't matter if they're the "bottom people" or a "zero skill worker". They were hired at a full time job. I want someone to explain why anyone, even the lowest skill workers, deserves to live in poverty -- even to the point of needing welfare in some form.

And before I see someone saying they're not "working hard" -- no. Workers who don't work hard get fired. We're talking about workers performing their job as instructed for 40hrs a week.

[Moralgy]

Yeah and did you care to see what happened in Germany when they tried a similar model? It wasn't pretty and literally shit paying jobs started replacing all entry level work until the growth of those jobs far outpaced anything else, requiring government intervention and them setting a reasonable minimum wage to pull people out of poverty.

Tbh I would really like to avoid needing the government to keep people from starving while working a full time job. Just a personal preference really. lol

[BuckSparkles]

You should be Trump's spin doctor. That's the most political answer I've seen here in years.

Trump isn't political though.

[MCMLXXXII]

Yeah and did you care to see what happened in Germany when they tried a similar model? It wasn't pretty and literally shit paying jobs started replacing all entry level work until the growth of those jobs far outpaced anything else, requiring government intervention and them setting a reasonable minimum wage to pull people out of poverty.

Come on he's a true American. He can't even point out Germany on a map.

[Krigaren]

This seems to be about right, did I miss anything.

1. Yell and scream at poor people for being "takers", tell them to get a job.
2. Insult people who don't work"real"jobs, tell them to go to school.
3. Go to school, end up in debt, tell them they are stupid for doing that and should just have got a job.
4. Still refuse to raise minimum wage or deal with the student loan crisis. After all those people were just stupid and did it wrong.
5. Start over at step 1.

That about sums it up.

[Jotaux]

I love the liberal response to logical arguments: Gibberish because they cant refute the argument. John Steward is an idiot btw.

You view the argument "Lets raise the minimum wage to $100,000 an hour!" as logical?

[MCMLXXXII]

Trump isn't political though.

You just proven my point.

[gr4vitas]

I think most people don't really realize that $15 an hour minimum wage is going to impact a lot more than just minimum wages and minimum wage employment. If $15 is the new minimum then my salary sure as hell better go up by a factor of the same % increase.

[LilSaihah]

You view the argument "Lets raise the minimum wage to $100,000 an hour!" as logical?

It carries the point: There isn't a fixed rationale behind the $15 minimum wage argument.

I read this before somewhere; why not index the minimum wage to something?

[Kujako]

It carries the point: There isn't a fixed rationale behind the $15 minimum wage argument.

Yes there is... it is calculated to be a national average living wage, taking inflation into account.

[Paranoid Android]

I love the liberal response to logical arguments: Gibberish because they cant refute the argument. John Steward is an idiot btw.

This is fucking classic. A logical argument of "Why not raise it to $100/hr". You know he is giving his "illogical" argument for the $100/hr argument.

The idiot Jon Stewart and other know that you cannot make a $100 or whatever crazy shit wage.


Edit: Oh shit! She said $100k/hr!! My bad. That sounds more reasonable.

[Krigaren]

I love the liberal response to logical arguments: Gibberish because they cant refute the argument. John Steward is an idiot btw.

A refutation to conservative gibberish and hyperbole with gibberish and hyperbole makes him an idiot? So far all of your responses to this thread have been gibberish, so I'm not sure how you can claim any kind of logical high ground.

[MCMLXXXII]

It carries the point: There isn't a fixed rationale behind the $15 minimum wage argument.

I read this before somewhere; why not index the minimum wage to something?

I think that in the US 15$ is about the average amount where you can pay all your expenses without having to work 60+ hours a week.

[endersblade]

The cost to make that burger isn't going to go up at all. So in theory, it shouldn't cost any more than it already does.

In reality though, it will definitely go up, because the higher ups aren't willing to part with even a penny of what they're currently making in profits.

[Annoying]

It carries the point: There isn't a fixed rationale behind the $15 minimum wage argument.

I read this before somewhere; why not index the minimum wage to something?

Cost of living index, perhaps. Of course, we'd have to have an official index somewhere, and such a thing doesn't exist currently. Would require an interesting amount of reporting from literally every city in every state.

[Fugus]

I love the liberal response to logical arguments: Gibberish because they cant refute the argument. John Steward is an idiot btw.

Actually, it was a purposefully ridiculous response to an equally ridiculous argument which was the entire point.

[Paranoid Android]

A refutation to conservative gibberish and hyperbole with gibberish and hyperbole makes him an idiot? So far all of your responses to this thread have been gibberish, so I'm not sure how you can claim any kind of logical high ground.

Jaylock doesn't get satire. Which is ironic if you ever look at the threads he creates.

[Jotaux]

It carries the point: There isn't a fixed rationale behind the $15 minimum wage argument.

I read this before somewhere; why not index the minimum wage to something?

Many places do have the minimum wage indexed to something. Here in BC it is indexed to the consumer price index. But if that become common practice the new argument would become about the forumula used.

[Bullettime]

I think most people don't really realize that $15 an hour minimum wage is going to impact a lot more than just minimum wages and minimum wage employment. If $15 is the new minimum then my salary sure as hell better go up by a factor of the same % increase.

And historically, it has. People also don't realize that they're being underpaid and think they make more than they really do due to their pay's relation to the minimum wage.

I see the argument constantly that "well I only make 14 as an EMT so fuck the minimum wageraise " but ignore that they're also underpaid and making drastically less than what they would make in Canada, England, Germany, Australia, etc.

[Paranoid Android]

Actually, it was a purposefully ridiculous response to an equally ridiculous argument which was the entire point.

Shhhh! Shhhh! Jaylock does not get satire.