Mythic+ already a joke?

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http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...Series-Paladin

Blizzcon recap. As linked 1 or 2 pages ago, and as quoted just above.

For example, if a Tier 20 challenge mode dungeon is very hard to complete, they may cap the loot potential there, even if there are a couple of groups that can go a little higher.

Well if Tier 20 is hard to complete it has a soft cap, yes. But what the blue post implied was they will cap the tier you can go to, so even if you could go further you cannot.

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As long as tiers, trinkets and mounts stay in raids, thats fine.

But honestly this will further kill more guilds and the raiding scene

[Raiju]

Well if Tier 20 is hard to complete it has a soft cap, yes. But what the blue post implied was they will cap the tier you can go to, so even if you could go further you cannot.

Yes, the loot will be capped. Welcome to page 1 of this thread.

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Yes, the loot will be capped. Welcome to page 1 of this thread.

Difference between soft capped, meaning if you can pull of Tier 21 you get something better it's just rare to do it, and hard capped, meaning even if you can do Tier 30 you still only get Tier 20 rewards.

[Raiju]

Difference between soft capped, meaning if you can pull of Tier 21 you get something better it's just rare to do it, and hard capped, meaning even if you can do Tier 30 you still only get Tier 20 rewards.

No, it explicitly says there they will cap the loot even if some can go past it. The loot is hardcapped. The scaling is softcapped by what people are able to accomplish in gear.

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No, it explicitly says there they will cap the loot even if some can go past it. The loot is hardcapped. The scaling is softcapped by what people are able to accomplish in gear.

At the recap they explicitly said MAY cap it, there would be no real reason to since only few people would go beyond that so they wouldn't get a lot more out of it.
All you do is say: They cap it a mythic raid level, even if you can do 20 Tiers more! Which would make the whole system a joke because then they need to reset the keystones every Raid Tier which will piss people off.
Either you talk crap, which would be good for the game or Blizzard will fuck up again with Legion.

[beanman12345]

Even in a sim type situation, they will be hardcapped. Unless they make it like garrosh with his hp resets. And by tier 2 or 3 of this expac we'll be there probably in mythic raiding, and then we'll get another squish I suppose. If they haven't fixed that issue that is.

[Raiju]

At the recap they explicitly said MAY cap it, there would be no real reason to since only few people would go beyond that so they wouldn't get a lot more out of it.
All you do is say: They cap it a mythic raid level, even if you can do 20 Tiers more! Which would make the whole system a joke because then they need to reset the keystones every Raid Tier which will piss people off.
Either you talk crap, which would be good for the game or Blizzard will fuck up again with Legion.

Get some evidence before spewing more shit, I did you a courtesy with that but you will twist anything you're given however you want to read it.

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Even in a sim type situation, they will be hardcapped. Unless they make it like garrosh with his hp resets. And by tier 2 or 3 of this expac we'll be there probably in mythic raiding, and then we'll get another squish I suppose. If they haven't fixed that issue that is.

They could just change it to decrease player damage and increase the damage players recieve instead of increasing the damage and health of NPCs and prevent the problem that way. Then they don't need a hardcap either, since there will be a soft cap when players just cannot do enough damage for the timer to be met.

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Get some evidence before spewing more shit, I did you a courtesy with that but you will twist anything you're given however you want to read it.

I got the evidence: The MAY cap part is from the Recap, so it's in reference to what they stated, the implication of them capping the keystones is implied in the first post. You are the one who has no evidence my dear raccoon.

[Raiju]

Red panda, it's disputed whether they are part of the raccoon family depending on which group of zoologists you ask.

[Stickinator]

Isnt the mythic + the new challenge mode?

then just do them as that, a more challenging dungeon.
Dont dismiss something before its even out. Cause thats just stupid as hell..

[PaladinBash]

They're fun rather than a gear farm. I mean, you could hypothetically run them a lot and get some gear without ever raiding but I don't think that's the main focus. I love doing dungeons and raids...so this is a cool thing to me. If I never get a piece of gear out of it but enjoy it then I'm glad it's there.

[Deleted]

Isnt the mythic + the new challenge mode?

then just do them as that, a more challenging dungeon.
Dont dismiss something before its even out. Cause thats just stupid as hell..

I guess I'm stupid then, if there is a new video game out, I look for information and sometimes I dismiss it before it's out because the information tells me it's crap and not worth my money... good I hate being stupid and not wasting my money.

[Ealyssa]

I thought an endless scaling challenge would be endgame option for everyone. Now it's just: You got fully mythic raid gear? Got, enjoy the content drought!
Instead of: Hey, you already got really got gear, you can get something better if you beat this dungeon on a scale that is harder than mythic!

That would be really dumb in wow. How would the next tier of raiding play of you allready outgear it the day it release because of your endless scalling ?

Mythic dungeon can't give better gear than what mythic raiding do. It just obvious. WoW isn't diablo III (and diablo 3 dont give better gear either, just more gear).

Its only after the last tier that we may some "harder than mythic" levels. And even then I doubt that. Seeing 5men content ever was a cheese fest in wow.

[Pua]

It's about tuning. The difficulty just needs to grow faster then the power you get from gear. Then you hit a soft cap where the encount is too hard. With the next Raid Tier you can get your hands on some better gear with LFR/New World Quests and go further from there. It's a lot more work for blizzard, but it would still give people the option of progression. Maybe even get their hands on one item that is on par with the next raid tier, if they are good enough.

Sounds great, until you realise that it adds nothing that isn't already catered for and would subsequently be a bit of a waste of time.

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That would be really dumb in wow. How would the next tier of raiding play of you allready outgear it the day it release because of your endless scalling ?

Mythic dungeon can't give better gear than what mythic raiding do. It just obvious. WoW isn't diablo III (and diablo 3 dont give better gear either, just more gear).

Maybe for the transmogs? Maybe because the story of the raid is cool?
But mostly: If you can outgear it Blizzard fucked up in the tuning.

Diablo 3 has a Paragon System, that increases your power is virtually endless and higher difficulty give you faster access to more power.
WoW equivalent: You do harder content, even if it's just 5 man dungeons, you get better gear.

[Pua]

As long as tiers, trinkets and mounts stay in raids, thats fine.

But honestly this will further kill more guilds and the raiding scene

I think it'll help guilds by potentially harming the raiding scene.

[Deleted]

Sounds great, until you realise that it adds nothing that isn't already catered for and would subsequently be a bit of a waste of time.

Every expansion is a "waste of time" since everything resets with the next one.
But with an endless scaling they can fight against content droughts, because after a given time X people will be in a higher mythic+ and still have a goal. If you hard cap something, it is pointless the second you hit the cap. Got to mythic+25 and iLevel 1000? Perfect, now wait 12+ months for new content.
Soft capped: You hit mythic+25 and iLevel 1000, after 1 month you maybe at mythic+26 and iLevel 1010 an so on. You still have content to do, things to achieve.

[thilicen]

Didn't they literally say that was the entire purpose from day1? Are you just being bitchy for the sake of being bitchy?

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And here i come to this thread, expecting some cheesy alpha strategies to beat the timers really fast.

Instead I find someone complaning that he cannot abuse the dungeons to get gear that he is not supposed to have when he starts raiding.

Please do not use misleading titles at least when you complain on something -.-