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    Tempostorm starts Meta Snapshot for Heroes

    Many of you who play Hearthstone may be familiar with the highly credited and well recieved resource that is the meta snapshot provided on their website.

    Well, they've rolled one out for Heroes of the Storm, and it looks awesome: https://tempostorm.com/heroes-of-the...shot/patch-172 - Tier rankings, build guides, hero rank breakdowns for burst, push, utility etc.







    Tempostorm's Zoia said this over on reddit:

    An insane amount of work went into making this happen. Big shout out to the dev team that busted their ass getting this feature finished. As well as to the pro team, the writers, srey, and parkzer for all the hard work we put into writing guides, preparing the summaries, and the stats.
    We designed this list for how we approach hero league. When we enter the hero league draft as solo queue what heroes do we look at and where they fall into priority. As the meta does small shifts we plan on updating this daily. When bigger balance patches come out and new hero releases happen we plan on making bigger updates as well.
    Hope this is a valuable resource to the community and those players who are struggling to get higher in rank!
    Edit: I also wrote an article explaining more in depth our thought process behind the meta snapshot, why we went this direction with it, and explaining the tiers a bit more in depth. https://tempostorm.com/articles/intr...-meta-snapshot
    I was very impressed with the work down here and wanted to give it a little more exposure.

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    Honestly I am not surprised. Lili as last hero I understand(pros hate her), but you can not deny that her survivability is much greater than most other healers, I don't understand how they ranked things here. Also they tell you to go Sin's Grasp on Azmodan? Nova build they want you to go 2 pinning shots, but what is the reason when that is the only pinning shot talent you got? No Synergy. Hammer you go Giant Killer, Stoneskin and ALS...what?

    Don't even get me started on their Lili build, no wonder they think she is trash if that is the build they go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    Honestly I am not surprised. Lili as last hero I understand(pros hate her), but you can not deny that her survivability is much greater than most other healers, I don't understand how they ranked things here. Also they tell you to go Sin's Grasp on Azmodan? Nova build they want you to go 2 pinning shots, but what is the reason when that is the only pinning shot talent you got? No Synergy. Hammer you go Giant Killer, Stoneskin and ALS...what?

    Don't even get me started on their Lili build, no wonder they think she is trash if that is the build they go.
    Huh? Aside from the level 7 talent, that is all about as basic as it gets. Probably shouldn't go serpent heal without any other talents to go with it, but again, this build is mostly the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabray View Post
    Huh? Aside from the level 7 talent, that is all about as basic as it gets. Probably shouldn't go serpent heal without any other talents to go with it, but again, this build is mostly the norm.
    That is a bad build in favor CC resistance and shrink ray. Her base kit is not upgraded properly with this build. There is also no talent synergy there. It's like some trashy build that's just intended for her to stay in lane for longer while offering Jugs and Shrink ray for countering burst from squishy assassins. This build has low damage and low sustain outside of Jugs.

    Other builds (with same 10 and 20 talents) can offer more than this one. (even considering keeping shrink ray)

    Full Q build with CP --> more sustain, all day, everyday even with spamming other abilities
    Full Serpent build --> more sustain, some damage (lower mana regen)
    Hybrid Q/E build --> some sustain, multiple blinds, some waveclear
    All Damage build --> good damage, multiple blinds, some waveclear. (More damage with DW but at the cost of aoe heals when needed / better in double support comps)

    The build is even more surprising considering that the guide is intended for HL.
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    Yeah, those builds are exceedingly strange. Nova build is wtf worthy, and lol at Abathur's 5/10 points in Push with full locust build.
    Lost Vikings on Tier2, alongside with heroes like Uther, Johanna, Kharazim? While Abathur is T4, and Murky T3? Dehaka is T1? That just doesn't sound right.
    I don't think this guide is anything to go by.

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    I think they rate Zagara and Lunara too low, and Tassadar and and Sonya too high. I'd swap them. We could probably argue little tweaks like this, and talents, all day.

    It's obvious an insane amount of work went into this, and one has to wonder what's in it for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttak82 View Post
    That is a bad build in favor CC resistance and shrink ray. Her base kit is not upgraded properly with this build. There is also no talent synergy there. It's like some trashy build that's just intended for her to stay in lane for longer while offering Jugs and Shrink ray for countering burst from squishy assassins. This build has low damage and low sustain outside of Jugs.

    Other builds (with same 10 and 20 talents) can offer more than this one. (even considering keeping shrink ray)

    Full Q build with CP --> more sustain, all day, everyday even with spamming other abilities
    Full Serpent build --> more sustain, some damage (lower mana regen)
    Hybrid Q/E build --> some sustain, multiple blinds, some waveclear
    All Damage build --> good damage, multiple blinds, some waveclear. (More damage with DW but at the cost of aoe heals when needed / better in double support comps)

    The build is even more surprising considering that the guide is intended for HL.
    I agree level 4 & 7 are wrong, with the rest of these talents you should go BW targets at 4, and the HoT at 7. My point was just that all the other talents (globes, shrink ray, additional brew target, Kung fu hustle) are all meta picks, and probably the build you should run first when you are learning the character. Once you are comfortable with her, then you can try out the other stuff. Personally I'm liking the Blinding Wind build atm.

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    They shoulda just stuck with Hearthstone.
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    It feels like whoever wrote some of these is out of touch with the reality of Hero League. :/ Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. They just should not assume every level of play is the same as their competitive matches.

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    I understand the entire 'talent pick depends on many factors' minigame, but some of these don't make sense in any situation.. why would you ever take promote as Tassadar? Oo
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    If they really put an "insane amount of work" for that much non sense (allready showed on this thread, ranking is crazy, builds are worst).

    They should really stick to that card game.
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    Tychus and Arthas, both not seen in pro games since - you know - ever, in Tier 3, same as Zagara and Tyrande. Those pros clearly see stuff that I don't...

    This is well made, fun to read, a great resource, but maybe of limited value to wood league players like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    Honestly I am not surprised. Lili as last hero I understand(pros hate her), but you can not deny that her survivability is much greater than most other healers, I don't understand how they ranked things here. Also they tell you to go Sin's Grasp on Azmodan? Nova build they want you to go 2 pinning shots, but what is the reason when that is the only pinning shot talent you got? No Synergy. Hammer you go Giant Killer, Stoneskin and ALS...what?

    Don't even get me started on their Lili build, no wonder they think she is trash if that is the build they go.
    Yeah I don't quite agree with their rankings and their talent choices are a bit odd.

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    Changes to the ordering and talents can definitely be improved, but the base system looks great and deserves some support in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tirilka View Post
    Yeah, those builds are exceedingly strange. Nova build is wtf worthy, and lol at Abathur's 5/10 points in Push with full locust build.
    Lost Vikings on Tier2, alongside with heroes like Uther, Johanna, Kharazim? While Abathur is T4, and Murky T3? Dehaka is T1? That just doesn't sound right.
    I don't think this guide is anything to go by.
    Abathur's pushing isn't very impressive, it's just that he does it over time and from anywhere on the map. You can't compare his pushing power to the heroes that they gave a higher score on pushing.

    Murky is easily countered by a lot of heroes and Dehaka is insanely good because he has global presence and is just a solid hero in general.

    That being said there are definitely some weird rankings and odd talent builds in this snapshot. The idea and setup is great, but the actual content needs to be reviewed.

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    I like the idea and the website looks good. Although I just looked up Arthas and I frankly had to facepalm at the build suggested. Seriously, Army of the Dead instead of Sindragosa? I know surviving is a priority, but Sindragosa trumps Army of the Dead both in terms of team fight engagements and disengagements if needed. Awkward build to be honest.

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    I see why they made many of their choices, but why they think Thrall is god tier I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesane View Post
    Murky is easily countered by a lot of heroes
    Like two.

    Maybe a very tanky team? Even so.

    I agree he's a situational hero, but IMO he's one of the heroes with the least direct counters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Like two.

    Maybe a very tanky team? Even so.

    I agree he's a situational hero, but IMO he's one of the heroes with the least direct counters.
    Two? Every hero with cleanse or other forms of immunities. Tychus. Li-Ming. He's decent but if you pick Murky anywhere early in the draft you can get countered hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I see why they made many of their choices, but why they think Thrall is god tier I have no idea.
    One of the best ults in the game. Arguably the best solo laner in the game. Great damage, decent self sustain, good CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesane View Post
    Two? Every hero with cleanse or other forms of immunities. Tychus. Li-Ming. He's decent but if you pick Murky anywhere early in the draft you can get countered hard.
    Cleanse is irrelevant since you always octo the hero with cleanse. Only way that could counter Murky is double support I suppose.

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    One of the best ults in the game. Arguably the best solo laner in the game. Great damage, decent self sustain, good CC.
    I mean, he's good, and it's a strong ulti, I just don't see "S" tier.
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    I have to agree with most other people here, good idea poor execution, definitely needs a bit of work. Looking at Tyrandes build, not taking battle momentum...are you insane?
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