Why so many killings in Chicago?

[Dystemper]

As I said earlier -- people didn't need to leave the State to purchase guns and bring them back into the city. The now existent ban on handguns was only for the city itself. People could purchase guns anywhere else in the state. So yes it was very possible for gang members to legally purchase firearms or to have newer members who did not yet have a criminal record make the purchases for them. Yes it's still an illegal practice but the guns themselves would have been considered a legal purchase from a merchant.



It means I bought the gun in Indiana and it was shipped to Illinois. You're still purchasing it from the first merchant...the secondary merchant is only where you're picking it up from. If you're going to talk out of your ass at least have some understanding of the process.

NO gang anywhere uses legal guns, Using straw purchasers creates a new set of problems and adds on extra charges if caught. There is no reason for a gang to pay a straw buyer 600-2000 per gun when they can be bought off the street for a fraction of that price

[BuckSparkles]

Trust us, we know.

Good to see you are tuning in buddy.

[Fang7986]

Would a ban on guns stop the crime in Chicago?

well crime is already against the law yet people still do it

[Rooflesstoofless]

Yes, they would, but do tell me why they use the guns as first choice, if it really makes no difference. Or does it actually make a difference?

Because handguns are cheap and easy to conceal and pretty much required hardware for thuggin' and bangin'.

[Narwal]

Because guns, all we have to do is take away guns from hunters in montana, and magically all killings in chicago will cease to exist!

[Dystemper]

What if your buddy from Indiana buys dozens of guns, sells them to you, and reports them stolen after some time. Oh look, you just got guns.



Yes, so in the sense it might just be "handing them out for free". You need very little money to buy, and no reason at all.

You really do not know what you are talking about. Guns are not cheap. You still have to pass a federal and state back ground check. You must show 2 sets of ID, a photo ID and a another , both must have a fixed address. PO box numbers create a massive delay in the back ground check process, and many gun stores will not sell you a gun if you only have a PO box number.

[RickJamesLich]

What if your buddy from Indiana buys dozens of guns, sells them to you, and reports them stolen after some time. Oh look, you just got guns.

I'm curious what your solution is here, are you implying we should just ban guns all over the country?

[Captain N]

So as I originally said, you can't buy a handgun out of state and all of your comments were for nothing other than seeing your words on a website.

And you most definitely can buy a weapon out of state -- It just has to be shipped to your home state. You claimed you cannot buy a weapon out of state and then went on some tirade.

Talk about someone who likes seeing their angry words on the Internet.

[Azadina]

That's a crime. I can't help you. The right to own a firearm is an individual right in the US. SCOTUS extended that to Hangduns in their Chicago ruling. Don't like it, change the constitution. Maybe start prosecuting all the gangbangers who send in their girlfriends to buy a gun, lie on the background check, and are denied a gun because of a crime they didn't acknowledge. I don't know what your point is. There exists a right in this country to own a handgun just as there is a right for you to post nonsense.

You really do not know what you are talking about. Guns are not cheap. You still have to pass a federal and state back ground check. You must show 2 sets of ID, a photo ID and a another , both must have a fixed address. PO box numbers create a massive delay in the back ground check process, and many gun stores will not sell you a gun if you only have a PO box number.

The first guy who bought the guns from the store committed no crime to obtain them, and there's the whole point. He got them legally to then sell to a criminal, and covered his back by reporting them stolen afterwards. Now the criminal has guns, and the guy who sold them has his money, and no one is the wiser.

[Citizen T]

Why have laws at all then? It definite wont stop them when in the next state they get them legally. Think.

That is such a false statement. You cannot legally purchase a gun in a state that are you not a resident.

[BuckSparkles]

That is such a false statement. You cannot legally purchase a gun in a state that are you not a resident.

Well you can't blame them. They are not even a US citizen. I doubt they have even lived in the US.

So how would they know?

[Nellise]

The murder rates in Chicago the last 5 years have been the lowest they've been in about 50 years so I'm not sure why people think it's so bad. Just 20 years ago there were over 900 murders and it's now less than 500.

One reason the crime in Chicago hasn't dropped as much as in New York or LA is that there are more areas that poorer people haven't been pushed out. The worst area (Austin) is right between two very nice areas that in New York would already have been gentrified. If you look at a map of the murders in the Chicago, the most expensive area to live downtown hasn't had a single murder this year, and there's only a handful in the other expensive areas.

[BuckSparkles]

How about better regulations for the entire country? Mandatory background and mental health checkups nation wide? How about we look at what some other first world countries do and apply some of their thinking?

Only thing I can agree with is some type of mental health improvements.

But even that may be tricky and lead to problems.

[Dystemper]

The first guy who bought the guns from the store committed no crime to obtain them, and there's the whole point. He got them legally to then sell to a criminal, and covered his back by reporting them stolen afterwards. Now the criminal has guns, and the guy who sold them has his money, and no one is the wiser.

That is illegal. Its called strawman purchasing. There is a paper trail a mile long on every gun sold. It almost never works out with out Police, FBI or BATF finding out about it. Only stupid gang members try to use a strawman and they are almost always caught

[Dystemper]

How about better regulations for the entire country? Mandatory background and mental health checkups nation wide? How about we look at what some other first world countries do and apply some of their thinking?

We are not like other countries. We are different. If you want to be like other countries, best idea is to move there. We will not change our life style just so we can be like someone else. And we have Background checks already. The Violent crime rate is at a near all time low for the past 25 years. Violent crime committed with a firearm has been decreasing for 20 years. This is all despite record sales in firearms and record numbers of new gun owners. We are doing something right and we do not need to change the constitution and enact more worthless laws

[Belize]

Kind of like regulations are not worth discussing because they don't do anything.

*cough*Australia*cough*

[Tyrianth]

Conservatives are ignorant, but this statement just sets the bar at an all time low so far.

Why do you even bother? Clearly gun regulation doesn't work when the US is the only developed country which seems to have a mass shooting every other day (to the point where they had to redefine the definition to make them look better on paper) and homicide rates 4 times higher than the next highest developed country's.

[BuckSparkles]

For who? Mentally unstable people that should not have guns?

No not them. I mean people who misuse or abuse the system. Perhaps it's just irrational, considering I think mental improvements should be a looked at issue.

[Independent voter]

Chicago murders by year.

[Citizen T]

The first guy who bought the guns from the store committed no crime to obtain them, and there's the whole point. He got them legally to then sell to a criminal, and covered his back by reporting them stolen afterwards. Now the criminal has guns, and the guy who sold them has his money, and no one is the wiser.

And the guy who sold them is a criminal now as well. It's just a matter of time until he's caught and it becomes official.