"The Lost Boys" – young men opt for virtual life of pornography and gaming

[Lady Dragonheart]

There is some truth to this, and the solution is surprising

Most men make a huge effort to keep girls entertained; this is exhausting and frankly it's supplicative and weak

If she is not entertaining you, tell her: "you're boring go away" and find a girl who's fun

If she is entertaining, tell her you think she's fun and you want her to cook for you naked

If she's offended, move on; if not you just got both a meal and a shag, your evening is done

It goes both ways, though. Leading someone on because of pity is bad no matter the genders of those involved. However, conversation is needed to know if who you're talking to is whom you desire. You can never find out if you never talk, which is the point. But you also need to know when to let go and try someone new, as you mention. Again, something that both genders should really do.

[Toppy]

So I'm not sure where this thread is by now, but on the topic and point of this thread.

I'm 23, life is either really crappy at this age or great it seems, none of my friends at college are in between and mist of them aren't settle with a girlfriend, and from what we've talked about, it's not that we don't want one. But women standards are way pass what most of us can do and look like. And having half isn't good enough, so now most are either doing the porn route or one night stands with the easy college girls.
So yeah games and porn might stimulate the sense men often look for in women but when women aren't exactly interested in them why add extra stress in this phase of life? The study ends at 25 so it's pretty much the college years of a men's life, after that I'm assuming men do try and find a female partner.

I know its a just my own experience and not counting for much, but

From my high school buddies, how their lives are going right now tend to be either:

1. They have a girlfriend which they either are required to work for and take care of because the girl doesnt want to work full time, or is a constant nag who criticizes them having any sort of fun they dont consider the right kind of fun (put down that game and watch <insert HBO special>. Or "Stop watching that stupid show and pay attention to me while I facebook all day"

or

2. They're single, making decent money, and seem to be a bit happier even if they lament not having a woman in their life.

We're in our mid twenties at the moment.

Compound that with my own growing up life where my mother kept finances away from my dad and cheated on him while emasculating him all the way (and my older sister doing the same now), and my first job being me working with the public and very very constantly seeing couples that are "Bitchy woman and man who has given up" (very common among the older crowd) and I can see why I dont exactly have or am looking for a girlfriend.

Mind you, I do not hate women. I have had plenty of female friends (though in two cases they tried cheating on their husbands with me...) its just that when you stamp a relationship on it, it goes south fast. I'd rather be addicted to porn and video games and happy rather than having someone living with me who treats me like shit/I cant trust.

[Lady Dragonheart]

No it's not. It's based on the fact that a lot of women expect to be completely passive on the first couple dates, which puts all the pressure on the man.

Real example of a girl I was dating a couple months ago: I've been out with this girl twice, both times picking location. For the third date I offer to go to her neighborhood and asked her if she had any suggestions for where to go. She literally didn't respond for two days, at which point I just suggested a place and she said ok. We had sex on that date. Point is, she was clearly interested, but totally thrown for a loop when I asked her to do something that required the least bit of initiative.

An anecdote isn't a good narrative for painting an entire gender, though. For example, I asked my husband out and because of me making the first move, we are now having an amazing relationship. I'm not going to say that because it worked for me that the same thing works for everyone.

[Xirrohon]

I know its a just my own experience and not counting for much, but

From my high school buddies, how their lives are going right now tend to be either:

1. They have a girlfriend which they either are required to work for and take care of because the girl doesnt want to work full time, or is a constant nag who criticizes them having any sort of fun they dont consider the right kind of fun (put down that game and watch <insert HBO special>. Or "Stop watching that stupid show and pay attention to me while I facebook all day"

or

2. They're single, making decent money, and seem to be a bit happier even if they lament not having a woman in their life.

We're in our mid twenties at the moment.

Compound that with my own growing up life where my mother kept finances away from my dad and cheated on him while emasculating him all the way (and my older sister doing the same now), and my first job being me working with the public and very very constantly seeing couples that are "Bitchy woman and man who has given up" (very common among the older crowd) and I can see why I dont exactly have or am looking for a girlfriend.

Mind you, I do not hate women. I have had plenty of female friends (though in two cases they tried cheating on their husbands with me...) its just that when you stamp a relationship on it, it goes south fast. I'd rather be addicted to porn and video games and happy rather than having someone living with me who treats me like shit/I cant trust.

Leykis 101. I learned about this nearly 15yrs ago. I was in a relationship at the time (9yrs long) but after the relationship ended, I applied the concepts and never looked back. Its similar to the PUA game but not exact. Leykis 101, PUA or MGTOW is the only way a man can survive these days.

[Lady Dragonheart]

To be fair, in a dating site the ppl will talk first before actually going on a physical date for at least a few days.

Which is essentially my point. Disregarding conversation skills is very much a devastating factor of getting to know someone for anything.

[Nihilist74]

Anything that keeps people from reproducing is a good thing.

[THE Bigzoman]

Leykis 101. I learned about this nearly 15yrs ago. I was in a relationship at the time (9yrs long) but after the relationship ended, I applied the concepts and never looked back. Its similar to the PUA game but not exact. Leykis 101, PUA or MGTOW is the only way a man can survive these days.

Tom Leykis is a fucking god. Leykis 101 is the shit.


I'm so glad he's back on the air.

[Kraenen]

I dunno man, http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=Leykis+101

Some of them are okay, some are just weird. I mean I'd never give up cuddling

1. NEVER, EVER date a single mother.

2. Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.

3. Don't ask a women what she wants to do.

4. Never tell a women how much money you make.

5. Don't EVER date co-workers!

6. Never answer the phone on the weekend.

7. Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date.

8. NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her.

9. If you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.

10. No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!

11. Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are 25 or really ready to settle down.

Absolutism is probably a bad idea. It all depends on the circumstances.

[Spectral]

Leykis 101, PUA or MGTOW is the only way a man can survive these days.

Marrying a really fantastic person seems to be working out just fine for me. I'll let you know in another decade if it still is or not. I'm pretty confident that I'm going to enjoy it more than dealing with club skanks though.

[Deleted]

Well, if you're going to make a profile on a dating site, the goal is a relationship (or at least sex, if that is what you're after).

That, at least, requires some conversation, regardless of how much you care or don't care. You won't be able to do it if you don't talk.

And with that in mind, if they don't care to talk ; They are irrelevant.

[Deleted]

no idea who this Leykis guy is but I disagree with:

8. NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her.

9. If you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.

10. No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!

[Underverse]

no idea who this Leykis guy is but I disagree with:

8. NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her.

9. If you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.

10. No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!

Yeah...this mentality is the source of a lot of problems.

[Spectral]

1. NEVER, EVER date a single mother.

Excellent advice for the vast majority of people. Just find better. Reject leftovers. If you want kids, have your own.

2. Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.

Fair enough when talking about early phases of dating.

3. Don't ask a women what she wants to do.

This one, unfortunately, is pretty good advice. The vast majority of the time, you're better off declaring, "we're going to do X" and then adjusting if the reaction is obviously negative. The mincing "what do you want to do" back and forth that couples have is awful. Just pick something.

4. Never tell a women how much money you make.

Well, I'm married, so this one's not going to work out. I realize Leykis 101 is predicated on being a womanizing degenerate, which is a direct result of his own interpersonal failings. This is probably decent dating advice though.

5. Don't EVER date co-workers!

Depends on the definition of "co-worker". You probably shouldn't date someone you'll have to work closely with later. If you work at a company with 10,000 people though, you're probably fine.

6. Never answer the phone on the weekend.

Just weird.

7. Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date.

Pretty much good advice. No one's impressed by your fancy dinner. Go do something fun.

8. NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her.

Silly and a result of lack of confidence.

9. If you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.

Mostly decent advice although personal preferences matter.

10. No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!

Another one that obviously results from Tom's interpersonal failings and weaknesses. Pretty stupid.

11. Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are 25 or really ready to settle down.

Excellent advice.

[THE Bigzoman]

no idea who this Leykis guy is but I disagree with:

8. NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her.

9. If you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.

10. No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!

It's a chemistry thing.

If it doesn't happen at a certain point in time, there is no chemistry. So it's a waste of time.

I don't neccessirly agree with the 3 date rule, but it wouldn't be bad to draw a line somewhere.

[Deleted]

It's a chemistry thing.

If it doesn't happen at a certain point in time, there is no chemistry. So it's a waste of time.

I don't neccessirly agree with the 3 date rule, but it wouldn't be bad to draw a line somewhere.

I draw the line at 2

Also it's fine to sleep over, just don't give up a drawer

Once the shampoo / moisturisers / change of clothes start appearing, dump her

[Spectral]

It's a chemistry thing.

If it doesn't happen at a certain point in time, there is no chemistry. So it's a waste of time.

I don't neccessirly agree with the 3 date rule, but it wouldn't be bad to draw a line somewhere.

I think it's pretty reasonable to at least do a mental chemistry check after 3 dates. If this isn't some friend from another setting, but someone going into dates with the expectation of a romantic relationship, if there's nothing going on after 3 dates, there's a pretty good chance that there's just not much sexual charge there.

[Mandrace]

There is a saying that Women are the root of all evil. Eve fell to temptation and plucked the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. And with it, God's wrath fell upon her and Adam who wanted to appease Eve more than he did God.

So yes, I can gladly say I'm one of these people. Past experiences have taught me that having a relationship in this day and age is beyond risky. You risk everything you've ever done, your work, your valuables, your very life would be in risk. Most women in the U.S. are the personification of feminists that downplay masculinity and mock us for who and what we are.

So I say screw them, I got my internet, I'll sit my happy ass right here and do what I want until my time comes.

[Independent voter]

Who's going to come see you when you're old, in the nursing home and need your colostomy bag changed?

[Spectral]

There is a saying that Women are the root of all evil. Eve fell to temptation and plucked the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. And with it, God's wrath fell upon her and Adam who wanted to appease Eve more than he did God.

None of this actually happened though, so basing a life philosophy around it is probably going to have pretty bad results.

So yes, I can gladly say I'm one of these people. Past experiences have taught me that having a relationship in this day and age is beyond risky. You risk everything you've ever done, your work, your valuables, your very life would be in risk. Most women in the U.S. are the personification of feminists that downplay masculinity and mock us for who and what we are.

So I say screw them, I got my internet, I'll sit my happy ass right here and do what I want until my time comes.

Being an incel with internet porn isn't quite as full of masculine virtue as you think it is.

[Deleted]

Who's going to come see you when you're old, in the nursing home and need your colostomy bag changed?

Why would you want your wife doing that, nursing staff are professionals