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    Sky Message Above NYC Denying Turkey’s Genocide of Armenians

    GEICO-Sponsored Company Put a Sky Message Above NYC Denying Turkey’s Genocide of Armenians
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    https://news.vice.com/article/geico-...ide-in-armenia

    On Wednesday afternoon, many New Yorkers were surprised to see pro-Turkey and Armenian genocide denial propaganda written in the sky over the Hudson River. The skywriting featured messages such as "101 years of Geno-lie," "Gr8 ally = Turkey," "BFF = Russia + Armenia," and "FactCheckArmenia.com." The aerial stunt was part of a campaign by the website Fact Check Armenia, which denies that the genocide of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire took place, contrary to the consensus of historians.

    The organization also captured headlines this week for a full-page ad placed in the Wall Street Journal, also pointing to the website. Two weeks ago, a billboard featuring a version of the same ad near Boston's Armenian Heritage Park was removed by Clear Channel after outrage from Armenians in the city.

    Wednesday's messages in New York City's skies were produced by a unique form of skywriting called "sky typing" in which five planes fly in close formation to write massive letters at high altitude to produce messages over five miles long in the air, making them visible in a 15-mile (24 km) radius. New Yorkers from Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan could all see the messages, as documented in numerous photographs on Twitter.

    The company responsible for writing the messages is the GEICO Skytypers, an air show team that performs up and down the east coast and is sponsored by GEICO, an insurance company owned by Berkshire Hathaway, the holding company for Warren Buffett, the world's third-richest man.

    The team also does paid sky typing advertising. The company's advertising clients include dozens of household names such as Coca-Cola, Disneyland, IKEA, and GEICO itself, the second-biggest auto insurer in the US. According to the company, the advertising package seen over the Hudson River normally costs between $12,000 and $15,000.

    "I felt appalled and disgusted to see the skywriting," said Nancy Kricorian, an Armenian-American novelist and activist who lives in Manhattan. "My grandmother was one of the few surviving members of her family — they were deported from Mersin in 1915. My grandmother and her brother were among 8,000 orphaned Armenian children at a camp in the Syrian desert."

    April 24 is the international date for remembrance of the victims of the Armenian genocide, which began in 1915. Every year at this time, the Turkish government and its supporters put out propaganda denying the Armenian genocide.

    "Last year during the Armenian Genocide Centennial, Fact Check Armenia was desperate to counter the cavalcade of international legislative bodies, political figures, and celebrities who were speaking out about happened to the Armenians starting in 1915," Kricorian said. "I was surprised to see that they are still peddling this tired and unconvincing strategy of calling Armenians liars."

    Newspaper articles of the time, decades of historical scholarship, and official records all confirm that approximately 1.5 million Armenians were systematically killed. Raphael Lemkin, the Polish Jewish lawyer who in the 1940s coined the term "genocide" and prompted the UN adoption of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crime of Genocide, in fact pointed to the systematic extermination of Armenians as one of the foundational examples of what he meant by the word "genocide." The International Association of Genocide Scholars, the Institute on Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem, and the Institute for the Study of Genocide in New York all affirm the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

    But the Turkish government denies that the genocide took place, and has attempted to fund scholarship to disrupt the historical consensus.

    "Turkish denial of the genocide was a founding principle of the Turkish Republic," said Louis Fishman, a professor of history at Brooklyn College who focuses on the late Ottoman Empire. "Stunts like we saw Wednesday in New York only throw salt on the wounds of Armenians whose families died in the genocide. As long as there is no recognition these wounds will remain open."

    While the skywriting may have outraged Armenians, it appears to have baffled most New Yorkers. In Brooklyn Bridge Park, onlookers tried to make sense of the Turkish phrase "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene" — a nationalist slogan that translates to "How happy is the one who says I am a Turk" — and to understand whether a message saying Armenia and Russia are "BFFs" was supposed to be pro- or anti-Russian.

    "I think it most likely confused people more than anything else," Fishman said.

    At the time of publication, Fact Check Armenia had not responded to calls and emails requesting comment. GEICO Skytypers appeared not to be aware of the controversial waters the company was wading into. GEICO did not respond to several requests for comment, but Larry Arken, the flight lead for Skytypers, told VICE News that he vets the messages — and felt these were acceptable.

    "I sifted through it to make sure I wasn't saying anything I felt was anti-American or made to be totally offensive," he said. "If I'm promoting a website, get mad at the website, don't get mad at me."

    One message in the sky read "Stop PKK:PYD:ASALAaesh," attempting to draw equivalence between Turkish Kurdish guerrillas, a Syrian Kurdish political party, a defunct Armenian terrorist organization, and the Islamic State group.

    "Daesh is ISIS. So that message said stop ISIS. I think we can probably agree that ISIS has to go away," Arken replied when asked if he knew what all of those groups are. "PKK is North Korea, as I understand it. If it was a message that was pro-ISIS I certainly would have said no."

    Arken apparently mistook the PKK, the Kurdistan Workers Party, for the DPRK or Democratic People's Republic of Korea — and was also unaware of what the PYD and ASALA are. Democratic Union Party, or PYD, is a Syrian Kurdish political party; ASALA, or Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, was a Middle East-based group that killed dozens of Turkish diplomats and civilians in the 1970s and 80s.

    Turkey Is Pissed at the Pope for Saying a WWI Massacre of Armenians Was Genocide

    A US Congressional resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide in 2007 was scuttled by concerns over harming relations with Turkey, a key NATO ally from which the US regularly stages military operations, including air strikes against the Islamic State. On the commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide last year, President Obama drew criticism for avoiding the word "genocide" instead opting for terms like "massacre" and "horrific violence."

    GEICO Skytypers' Arken said he did not feel comfortable choosing one side or another in a difference of opinion and that he tries to stay neutral and out of politics. He has declined anti-Trump, pro-Trump, anti-Clinton, and pro-Clinton messages throughout this election cycle, he said.

    "Where do you draw the line when somebody says something happened and somebody else says it did not?" he said, with regard to the Armenian genocide.

    Still, GEICO Skytypers would not promote a Holocaust denial website in the sky.

    "I can't say that I would allow that," Arken said. "I'm Jewish. My grandfather was put in front of a Nazi firing squad. Fortunately he didn't get shot. So would we sit here and deny that there was genocide back there? Probably not."

    For many of the 150,000 Armenians who live in the Tri-State area around New York, that difference in the perception of their people's suffering is painful.

    "Free speech means people don't get harmed, or jailed, or put on trial for what they say — as they do in Turkey," said Peter Balakian, an Armenian-American poet who just won the Pulitzer Prize for poetry. "But free speech does not mean that anybody is guaranteed a forum to present unethical, immoral, or hate-oriented speech."

    "Could you imagine GEICO or Nabisco or General Motors sponsoring people who promote messages for Holocaust deniers or white supremacists? This is no different."

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    Maybe they're trying to summon System of a Down for a free concert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tilde View Post
    Maybe they're trying to summon System of a Down for a free concert?
    That would be cool... WAKE UP! GRAB A BRUSH AND PUT A LITTLE MAKE UP!

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    Why are they trying to make this out to somehow be GEICO's fault? Sounds like the skywriters just didn't bother to look into the job they were accepting.

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    I'm puzzled by why so many people still care so much. The last of the responsible Turks are long since dead. The Armenian genocide seems about as vivid to me as the Mongols razing a city in the 1200s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm puzzled by why so many people still care so much. The last of the responsible Turks are long since dead. The Armenian genocide seems about as vivid to me as the Mongols razing a city in the 1200s.
    I know. Something like genocide is such a silly thing to be upset over.



    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Why are they trying to make this out to somehow be GEICO's fault? Sounds like the skywriters just didn't bother to look into the job they were accepting.
    That typically is there fault though. Its called content control. People would blame a television network if they sold there network space to support a discriminatory message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm puzzled by why so many people still care so much. The last of the responsible Turks are long since dead. The Armenian genocide seems about as vivid to me as the Mongols razing a city in the 1200s.
    Because apparently shutting down discussions about historical events to avoid triggering people is smart and good and stuff. And now there's a group trying to re-open discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm puzzled by why so many people still care so much. The last of the responsible Turks are long since dead. The Armenian genocide seems about as vivid to me as the Mongols razing a city in the 1200s.
    One wonders if maybe you not being an Armenian has something to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    One wonders if maybe you not being an Armenian has something to do with it.
    The whole idea that Turks who weren't around then inherit responsibility for it, or conversely that Armenians who weren't around then inherit victimhood is a steaming pile of racism. It is racism by it's very definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    One wonders if maybe you not being an Armenian has something to do with it.
    Presumably. I suppose it's touchy for Armenians, but I can't much figure out why anyone else is supposed to care. I suppose I'm also not keen on endless griping about things that happened a century ago.

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    Ive noticed a huge increase in Turkish (Russian level) troll factory stuff. Especially on reddit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Presumably. I suppose it's touchy for Armenians, but I can't much figure out why anyone else is supposed to care. I suppose I'm also not keen on endless griping about things that happened a century ago.
    They're griping because its never been acknowledged. Just like the Assyrian genocide. If tens of thousands of people are killed and expelled from their homes its kind of a big fucking deal.

    And people not caring is part of the problem.
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    I'm sure Warren Buffet appreciated that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    They're griping because its never been acknowledged. Just like the Assyrian genocide. If tens of thousands of people are killed and expelled from there homes its kind of a big fucking deal.

    And people not caring is part of the problem.
    I can't really see how pursuing some sort of justice for the very long dead helps much of anyone. Are modern Turks who bear no actual responsibility for those actions supposed to feel some sort of collective guilt?

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    I don't know what I dislike more, Turkey trying to hide their past, or the various parasites trying to extort modern turks because of what some turks did 100 years ago.

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    So, basically, we have "Turkey : Truth" and some story from a website I've never heard of before. Is this the same as RT? Do I need to get emotional about this or can I just dismiss this as internet bullshit? I mean, I'm no pro but I can photoshop shit like that. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    They're griping because its never been acknowledged. Just like the Assyrian genocide. If tens of thousands of people are killed and expelled from their homes its kind of a big fucking deal.

    And people not caring is part of the problem.
    Cant have reconciliation without a real dialog.

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    Paging @Kuntantee , are you here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I can't really see how pursuing some sort of justice for the very long dead helps much of anyone. Are modern Turks who bear no actual responsibility for those actions supposed to feel some sort of collective guilt?
    The entire area is fraught with tribal tensions. How's that supposed to get any better when the Turks refuse to even acknowledge there was a genocide?

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    Paging @Kuntantee , are you here?
    Next you will read how a genocide isn't actually a genocide.
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