Legion - Subtlety discussion

[kalaratic]

LOL

yep a new icon is definitely what Sub is in need of!

ya u really have to hand it to the devs, they just understand us. i'm really grateful for this class design team going into legion. besides this icon the only change we saw last build was that shadowstrike was reduced to 25 yards instead of 30. everyone knows that a true ninja could never teleport behind someone from 30 yards. i really think Celestalon is heading in the right direction with this spec, though it does beg the question if we, the community, are really happy with 25 yards.

imo, i think 23 yards is a good compromise. i can see where Celestalon is coming from, but i think that 23 yards will really drive home that class fantasy even more. try shadowstepping on live at 25 yards vs. 23, i think u guys will see where i'm coming from, u just feel so much more ninja-y at 23. this range debate seems to be the biggest priority atm so i think we should help out the class design team with our own input.

[Cebel]

ya u really have to hand it to the devs, they just understand us. i'm really grateful for this class design team going into legion. besides this icon the only change we saw last build was that shadowstrike was reduced to 25 yards instead of 30. everyone knows that a true ninja could never teleport behind someone from 30 yards. i really think Celestalon is heading in the right direction with this spec, thought it does beg the question if we, the community, are really happy with 25 yards.

imo, i think 23 yards is a good compromise. i can see where Celestalon is coming from, but i think that 23 yards will really drive home that class fantasy even more. try shadowstepping on live at 25 yards vs. 23, i think u guys will see where i'm coming from, u just feel so much more ninja-y at 23. this range debate seems to be the biggest priority atm so i think we should help out the class design team with our own input.

celestalon is brain dead. Its the only reasoning I can comprehend for his innate level of stupidity.

[RobertoCarlos]

My feral druid leveling is going well if anyone was wondering.

[no19]

This thread has turned into hopeless sadness now...

[Valentyn]

This thread has turned into hopeless sadness now...

It's the 5 stages of grief, many have come to depression.

Once beta hits without changes it'll be acceptance that we just need to take it, or leave it, just like Celestalon wants.

[elfporn]

heh i just noticed this legendary while perusing things:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items/137049-i...-of-ravenholdt

backstab/gloomblade and shadowstrike deal 15% additional damage to all targets within x yards front of you (all 3 specs can use via mutilate, run through, ambush, hemo and ghostly strike)

ehh, not a bad item i suppose.

Theres actually a lot of them i've not seen before, here's the filter:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items?filter-e...ter-quality=32

[kalaratic]

heh i just noticed this legendary while perusing things:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items/137049-i...-of-ravenholdt

backstab/gloomblade and shadowstrike deal 15% additional damage to all targets within x yards front of you (all 3 specs can use via mutilate, run through, ambush, hemo and ghostly strike)

ehh, not a bad item i suppose.

Theres actually a lot of them i've not seen before, here's the filter:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items?filter-e...ter-quality=32

all that ring says to me is literally no one is playing mut or sub on 2+ target fights. jesus christ outlaw aoe is going to be insane with that.

Shadow Satyr's Walk

look how fucking dumb this one is. goes to show no one on that team has a fucking clue about anything

[Mafic]

Not only Outlaw will be king of AoE but also single target. The age of pirates is among us!

Sub will be kind of a fun leveling spec.

[Deleted]

Not only Outlaw will be king of AoE but also single target.

Thats the best thing we can hope for now.

[Smaxy]

Not only Outlaw will be king of AoE but also single target. The age of pirates is among us!

Sub will be kind of a fun leveling spec.

Sorry to break the theme of doom and gloom here, but this won't happen. No way the spec with Blade Flurry is top ST. They'll tune Sub and Assn to beat Outlaw in ST.

Lol. Do you actually believe this?

[Deleted]

It happened in Siege, Highmaul and also almost Foundry, why wouldnt it happen now? We dont even need to use Killing Spree in Legion and they want to sell "new" outlaw.

[Valentyn]

heh i just noticed this legendary while perusing things:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items/137049-i...-of-ravenholdt

backstab/gloomblade and shadowstrike deal 15% additional damage to all targets within x yards front of you (all 3 specs can use via mutilate, run through, ambush, hemo and ghostly strike)

ehh, not a bad item i suppose.

Theres actually a lot of them i've not seen before, here's the filter:

http://beta.wowdb.com/items?filter-e...ter-quality=32

5 Unique equip for Legendaries?! So much for them not needed for raiding, seems legendaries really are the new epics.
Seems every slot besides weapons, and Tier pieces are going to be filled as much as possibly with Legendaries.

There's even one that applies Wind Weakness, which they removed from Sub.

So the ring is cool, but makes Outlaw even stronger once again for AoE. I wonder if the Ring Cleave will cleave off of Blade Flurry similar to the Tiny Abomination trinket did, making it ungodly powerful until fixed.

[MiiiMiii]

I honestly don't understand why you guys are complaining so much. Sub on live is so horribly boring, and having to keep up snd snd rupture SUCKS. This legion changes is way better. What exactly is so bad? Having to keep up the 20% dmg buff? Beats current upkeep...

In PvP this will be amazing.

Only reason I am still not 100% sure I want to main this is because of the look of the artifact weapons...

[Deleted]

5 Unique equip for Legendaries?! So much for them not needed for raiding, seems legendaries really are the new epics.
Seems every slot besides weapons, and Tier pieces are going to be filled as much as possibly with Legendaries.

There's even one that applies Wind Weakness, which they removed from Sub.

So the ring is cool, but makes Outlaw even stronger once again for AoE. I wonder if the Ring Cleave will cleave off of Blade Flurry similar to the Tiny Abomination trinket did, making it ungodly powerful until fixed.

That's the Wolrd of Warcraft you play. Yay. Yay. Yay. YAY. Yay.
That's the Wolrd of Warcraft you play. Yay. Yay. Yay. YAY. Yay.

Keep in mind they are limiting the number of legendaries you can equip at a given moment. There was a game-developer-post 2 months ago or so stating that at the beginning of the expansion you could only wear 1 item, and then, as time progresses or patches are released, you would be able to wear more and more. This was stated after a wave of posts from players commenting that one could be extremely lucky on legendary world drops.
And yes, it seems world drops used to be epic drops, but now are legendaries.

[elfporn]

That's the Wolrd of Warcraft you play. Yay. Yay. Yay. YAY. Yay.
That's the Wolrd of Warcraft you play. Yay. Yay. Yay. YAY. Yay.

Keep in mind they are limiting the number of legendaries you can equip at a given moment. There was a game-developer-post 2 months ago or so stating that at the beginning of the expansion you could only wear 1 item, and then, as time progresses or patches are released, you would be able to wear more and more. This was stated after a wave of posts from players commenting that one could be extremely lucky on legendary world drops.
And yes, it seems world drops used to be epic drops, but now are legendaries.

well we already know how the second legendary will become equipable (order hall perk), and that's with launch.

[Lorentz]

Sorry to break the theme of doom and gloom here, but this won't happen. No way the spec with Blade Flurry is top ST. They'll tune Sub and Assn to beat Outlaw in ST.

Lol. Do you actually believe this?

I wouldn't be surprised if they make 1 spec clear winner for all situations in Mythic raiding.

[kalaratic]

Sorry to break the theme of doom and gloom here, but this won't happen. No way the spec with Blade Flurry is top ST. They'll tune Sub and Assn to beat Outlaw in ST.

Lol. Do you actually believe this?

idk dude would make sense to me that the only spec they care about for rogue is the best for everything. if roll the bones is going like this into live ya outlaw will easily be the best, the buffs are actually ridiculous.

I honestly don't understand why you guys are complaining so much. Sub on live is so horribly boring, and having to keep up snd snd rupture SUCKS. This legion changes is way better. What exactly is so bad? Having to keep up the 20% dmg buff? Beats current upkeep...

In PvP this will be amazing.

Only reason I am still not 100% sure I want to main this is because of the look of the artifact weapons...

don't worry friend they gutted the spec for retards like u to enjoy, no need to listen to anything we're saying it might get too complicated for u ^_^

Infracted.

[Wow]

Sorry to break the theme of doom and gloom here, but this won't happen. No way the spec with Blade Flurry is top ST. They'll tune Sub and Assn to beat Outlaw in ST.

Lol. Do you actually believe this?

The only exp combat's single target was bad was wod. I wouldn't put it past them to do to bring its st up. They've done enough strange things this beta this wouldn't be the strangest.

[Deleted]

The only exp combat's single target was bad was wod. I wouldn't put it past them to do to bring its st up. They've done enough strange things this beta this wouldn't be the strangest.

seriously? the PvP ladder says otherwise, you see combat rogues all over. Perhaps in PvE isn't as good. But hey, yeah..people spec sub for the raid.

[kalaratic]

seriously? the PvP ladder says otherwise, you see combat rogues all over. Perhaps in PvE isn't as good. But hey, yeah..people spec sub for the raid.

u know the reason combat was popular this expac for arenas was literally just because of kidney + red buff ks right? that doesn't mean the spec has good single target, everything u did outside of that time window was worthless. u could do ridiculous burst to someone and there was 0 way to fuck it up, that's why people played it.