blood elves and dalaran in legion

[derpkitteh]

ok so, i know blizz doesn't usually do things like this, but is there going to be anything at all in legion where dalaran apologizes to the sunreavers for their betrayal in MoP? in a book, in game, whatever.

my mage is a blood elf, and i even bought the old dalaran buff and used it before mists. after mists and the complete and total betrayal of the sunreavers by dalaran though, i stopped because that was just an absolute shit thing to do. it's gonna be very jarring to me if there's no kind of recognition at all, it'll really hamper my enjoyment of the order hall quest line all together.

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The Sunreavers betrayed Dalaran.

[Veluren]

The Sunreavers betrayed Dalaran.

Agreed, Jaina went a bit overboard with her purge enough to seem like a bad guy from the Horde perspective, but, well, Garrosh did use the Sunreavers to sneak the bell through Dalaran, even if Aethas was none the wiser.

[derpkitteh]

no, the sunreavers didn't. garrosh's agents did.

dalaran were the ones that went and started slaughtering sunreaver civilians that had no idea why it was going on.

[Al Gorefiend]

Sunreavers are Horde, they are not independent. They take responsibility for the actions of the Horde. Garithos wasn't new Alliance yet Blood Elves just love blaming him for all their woes.

The Horde betrayed the Kirin Tor, and Sunreavers are Horde. Therefore, the Sunreavers betrayed the Kirin Tor.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Sunreavers are Horde, they are not independent. They take responsibility for the actions of the Horde. Garithos wasn't new Alliance yet Blood Elves just love blaming him for all their woes.

The Horde betrayed the Kirin Tor, and Sunreavers are Horde. Therefore, the Sunreavers betrayed the Kirin Tor.

The only Sunreaver that knew what was happening was Aethas who was afraid of Garrosh. Yes he betrayed the Kirin'tor but it was to save his life and the life of countless other blood elves. The problem with Jaina and the Kirin Tor is that literally every other Sunreaver had nofucking clue why they were being attacked.

Which makes it even more insulting that Aethas is so ready and happy to rejoin the Kirin'tor. But chop it down to lazy writing.

[Aeula]

We're still considered guilty by the council of six apparently. Unless they changed the fire Mage artefact questline again.

[Jawless Jones]

Jaina used Dalarans portal system to help the Alliance.

Jaina is Alliance, the Alliance betrayed the Kirin Tor.

[Friendlyimmolation]

We're still considered guilty by the council of six apparently. Unless they changed the fire Mage artefact questline again.

Atleast Rommath is no longer on the council like he was in Beta, no way in hell would he join

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Atleast Rommath is no longer on the council like he was in Beta, no way in hell would he join

I think it was more because he lacks the talent as mage to join the Council.

[Al Gorefiend]

The only Sunreaver that knew what was happening was Aethas who was afraid of Garrosh. Yes he betrayed the Kirin'tor but it was to save his life and the life of countless other blood elves. The problem with Jaina and the Kirin Tor is that literally every other Sunreaver had nofucking clue why they were being attacked.

Which makes it even more insulting that Aethas is so ready and happy to rejoin the Kirin'tor. But chop it down to lazy writing.

If you wear the Horde colors you deal with the consequences of your entire faction. Way it's always been, really. Sucks for the Sunreavers being targeted but Horde is Horde in times of war.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

The only Sunreaver that knew what was happening was Aethas who was afraid of Garrosh. Yes he betrayed the Kirin'tor but it was to save his life and the life of countless other blood elves. The problem with Jaina and the Kirin Tor is that literally every other Sunreaver had nofucking clue why they were being attacked.

Which makes it even more insulting that Aethas is so ready and happy to rejoin the Kirin'tor. But chop it down to lazy writing.

Doesn't mean anything, really. You can call it lazy writing, but the Sunreavers are responsible .

[Friendlyimmolation]

I think it was more because he lacks the talent as mage to join the Council.

Rommath has more talent in his finger than Aethas or Jaina have in their entire hand.( Or atleast in Jaina's case earned the archmage title she has before she was even born)

Plus to stamp you out before you spout more bullshit

A talented magus, Rommath spent a portion of his life living in Dalaran, alongside Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider. His power was formidable enough to earn him the rank of archmage, a title shared by even some of the city's ruling council. Rommath once considered Dalaran as much a home as he did Silvermoon.[7] Rommath had returned to Quel'Thalas to serve under Grand Magister Belo'vir Salonar by the time of the Third War
^ In the Shadow of the Sun

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Doesn't mean anything, really. You can call it lazy writing, but the Sunreavers are responsible .

That's like saying the Kirin'tor are responsible for Kel'thuzad.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Rommath has more talent in his finger than Aethas or Jaina have in their entire hand.

Plus to stamp you out before you spout more bullshit

A talented magus, Rommath spent a portion of his life living in Dalaran, alongside Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider. His power was formidable enough to earn him the rank of archmage, a title shared by even some of the city's ruling council. Rommath once considered Dalaran as much a home as he did Silvermoon.[7] Rommath had returned to Quel'Thalas to serve under Grand Magister Belo'vir Salonar by the time of the Third War
^ In the Shadow of the Sun

Well, thats not proof that he's better than Jaina or Aethas...

Either way, doesn't matter.

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That's like saying the Kirin'tor are responsible for Kel'thuzad.

Not really, no.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Not really, no.

one Sunreaver acting under the orders or Garrosh, along side other Garrosh agents does not make the entire oblivious party responsible.

Well, thats not proof that he's better than Jaina or Aethas...

Either way, doesn't matter.

He's hilariously better than Aethas, hence why he was friends with Kel'thas and Belo'vir and not Aethas. At least in Jainas case he was doing the same mass teleporting she does 15 years ago.

[Deleted]

Rommath has more talent in his finger than Aethas or Jaina have in their entire hand.

Plus to stamp you out before you spout more bullshit

A talented magus, Rommath spent a portion of his life living in Dalaran, alongside Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider. His power was formidable enough to earn him the rank of archmage, a title shared by even some of the city's ruling council. Rommath once considered Dalaran as much a home as he did Silvermoon.[7] Rommath had returned to Quel'Thalas to serve under Grand Magister Belo'vir Salonar by the time of the Third War
^ In the Shadow of the Sun

Yeah, but trolling would be boring if I would share my true Opinion that he is one of Azeroths strongest mortal mages, probably only rivaled by Khadgar and Jaina.

But I don't think that he has that much more talent as a Mage, Jaina just wasn't the typical offensive Mage, that would be a Master of Evocation. Jaina is probably one of the greatest Transmutation Mages in Azeroth and considering that she run around with two big Water Elementals she is probably also very proficient in Conjuration. We don't know what schools Rommath uses, so it's a problem to compare both of them.

[Friendlyimmolation]

But I don't think that he has that much more talent as a Mage, Jaina just wasn't the typical offensive Mage, that would be a Master of Evocation. Jaina is probably one of the greatest Transmutation Mages in Azeroth and considering that she run around with two big Water Elementals she is probably also very proficient in Conjuration. We don't know what schools Rommath uses, so it's a problem to compare both of them.

Hes good at binding and siphoning magic figuring out how to pull magic from a naruu, conjuration and animation, using magic to rebuild silvermoon and obliterating the scourge that still occupied Silvermoon. As well as fire magic, obviously the favorite of Blood elves, and that he spent so much time with Kaelthas.

[Thage]

"Desperate times call for desperate measures" is essentially the whole point behind the class orders making such a big comeback in the first place. Stands to reason that on being selected to lead the Kirin Tor in Jaina's absence, Khadgar (who is nothing but polite to a Horde player on Draenor) would grant at least temporary amnesty to the Horde, in the interest of using Dalaran as a mobile base to keep the fighting focused on the Broken Isles. While there's fighting going on in the rest of the world, the worst of it's definitely centered around the Tomb of Sargeras as that's the demons' main entry point into Azeroth right now.

Why the blood elves would go back to Dalaran is a similar matter. Beggars can't be choosers and the Reliquary has yet to unearth something that can outgun a floating city capable of sustained orbital bombardment. May as well use it to their advantage while the offer's open, and with Jaina out of the picture as far as Dalaran's concerned, the blood elves may be less wary of rooming up there. Though, it is worth noting that the primary Horde peacekeeping force in Dalaran are Forsaken, mirroring Genn's worgen for the Alliance, as those two have all but hijacked the factions and created a three-front war (another reason the class orders become prominent, as adventurers flock to them to focus on the problem at hand before going back to killing each other like gentlemen).

[Friendlyimmolation]

Why the blood elves would go back to Dalaran is a similar matter. Beggars can't be choosers and the Reliquary has yet to unearth something that can outgun a floating city capable of sustained orbital bombardment

The sunwell *Cough*

[StationaryHawk]

"Desperate times call for desperate measures" is essentially the whole point behind the class orders making such a big comeback in the first place. Stands to reason that on being selected to lead the Kirin Tor in Jaina's absence, Khadgar (who is nothing but polite to a Horde player on Draenor) would grant at least temporary amnesty to the Horde, in the interest of using Dalaran as a mobile base to keep the fighting focused on the Broken Isles. While there's fighting going on in the rest of the world, the worst of it's definitely centered around the Tomb of Sargeras as that's the demons' main entry point into Azeroth right now.

Do we know for certain that Khadgar was selected to lead the Kirin Tor in Jaina's absense, and wasn't outright elected to replace her? Given her response following the Broken Shore, it doesn't seem likely she'd have bailed.