Russian attack aircraft just flew within 30 feet of a U.S. Navy ship

[Marcellus1986]

It's not even funny anymore when an American calls another nationality naive, when they refer to their warmongering. Jesus Christ...

Who is warmongering? If you're going to post in the thread stick to the topic or just bow out. You always insert some straw man in your posts to try and veer the thread off topic.

[Ausr]

Post ww2 Russia is a saint infront of America. I can't believe the American posters don't get this and this is exactly whats wrong with this world.
The voters (of every country) need to wake the fuck up and soon.

Russia is a saint?

Oh fucking lord. I can't wait to see how the hell you back this claim up. Please, enlighten us. I want to see what things Russia has done to make it saintly.

[Blobfish]

I am Australian
Mother Russian Forces had the RIGHT to check out you guys

You guys where located 70km from Mother Russia
They where just checking you guys out

[Skroe]

Russia is a saint?

Oh fucking lord. I can't wait to see how the hell you back this claim up. Please, enlighten us. I want to see what things Russia has done to make it saintly.

Ulmita's dream.

[Bakis]

Russia is a saint?

Oh fucking lord. I can't wait to see how the hell you back this claim up. Please, enlighten us. I want to see what things Russia has done to make it saintly.

They had communism, thats the reason some on MMO-C love Russia so much. The Che-tshirt still sell good among people less familiar with history.

Chinas claims in regards to the sea is laughable, if anything is war mongering it is claiming almost an entire sea and think they have the right to strangle international trade in international waters.

[Skroe]

They had communism, thats the reason some on MMO-C love Russia so much. The Che-tshirt still sell good among people less familiar with history.

Chinas claims in regards to the sea is laughable, if anything is war mongering it is claiming almost an entire sea and think they have the right to strangle international trade in international waters.

China's about to get nailed to the wall in UN Arbitration court. The US and it's countries in the region have been preparing for the fall out for months because it's expected to be pretty tough on China and they're concerned about how China will react.

However, as things stand, should the court rule, as expected, in the Philippines favor, China will be officially violating international law if it continues it's SCS agenda, which will lead to sanctions and the expansion of Freedom of Navigation patrols and fortifications.

[Ulmita]

Who is warmongering? If you're going to post in the thread stick to the topic or just bow out. You always insert some straw man in your posts to try and veer the thread off topic.

USA is and this is directly related with the topic, because if you just didn't try to constantly provoke, constantly power project none of this shit would happen.
Your nation CONSTANTLY stirs shit up among other bad things, like wage wars none stop, topple governments, arm terrorists (aka al Qaeda etc) and OPENLY support nations that train, arm, shelter, finance and support ISIS like Saudis and Turkey. So let me put this on context so you get it: World knows that wherever they see Americans, most likely a shitstorm of epic proportions is about to follow. Now what? What if you provoke a conflict with Russia? Do you understand what that would mean not only for your country but the rest of the world? Ofcourse is my business too or anyone else business.

My hopes rely on people like you (comically enough). You really need to wake up and start voting people that value peace more than war, the American society more than the intervention in other country's societies. Obama was a good start, maybe the least warmongering president in a while and i legit applaud him. He led by example. But he had weak points too, like Libya (as he said already) and the fact that he is (MAYBE...???) putting money in greatest value than his people (750bln vs American people knowing the truth for the twin towers).

I know that, a part at least, of this reply move away from the topic, but i just wanted to clear up somethings to you about my views and why i am so critical of the USA.

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Russia is a saint?

Oh fucking lord. I can't wait to see how the hell you back this claim up. Please, enlighten us. I want to see what things Russia has done to make it saintly.

Try to read up the whole sentence.

[Ausr]

USA is and this is directly related with the topic, because if you just didn't try to constantly provoke, constantly power project none of this shit would happen.
Your nation CONSTANTLY stirs shit up among other bad things, like wage wars none stop, topple governments, arm terrorists (aka al Qaeda etc) and OPENLY support nations that train, arm, shelter, finance and support ISIS like Saudis and Turkey. So let me put this on context so you get it: World knows that wherever they see Americans, most likely a shitstorm of epic proportions is about to follow. Now what? What if you provoke a conflict with Russia? Do you understand what that would mean not only for your country but the rest of the world? Ofcourse is my business too or anyone else business.

My hopes rely on people like you (comically enough). You really need to wake up and start voting people that value peace more than war, the American society more than the intervention in other country's societies. Obama was a good start, maybe the least warmongering president in a while and i legit applaud him. He led by example. But he had weak points too, like Libya (as he said already) and the fact that he is (MAYBE...???) putting money in greatest value than his people (750bln vs American people knowing the truth for the twin towers).

I know that, a part at least, of this reply move away from the topic, but i just wanted to clear up somethings to you about my views and why i am so critical of the USA.

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Try to read up the whole sentence.

Try to read my post.



But, you know, better yet. Just keep posting. This should make the topic better.

[Ulmita]

Try to read my post.



But, you know, better yet. Just keep posting. This should make the topic better.

Is said Russia is a saint in comparison to the usa. Was it that hard to comprehend?

[Skroe]

Is said Russia is a saint in comparison to the usa. Was it that hard to comprehend?

You do realize that if the US built a factory with a meat grinder in it, and put in 1000 people in this meat grinder every day for 70 years, it, at the end, claim just under one quarter of the number of victims of Commuism in the 20th century?

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/co...n-20th-century

According to a disturbingly pleasant graphic from Information is Beautiful entitled simply 20th Century Death, communism was the leading ideological cause of death between 1900 and 2000. The 94 million that perished in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe easily (and tragically) trump the 28 million that died under fascist regimes during the same period.

During the century measured, more people died as a result of communism than from homicide (58 million) and genocide (30 million) put together. The combined death tolls of WWI (37 million) and WWII (66 million) exceed communism’s total by only 9 million.

It gets worse when you look at the lower right of the chart—The Natural World—which includes animals (7 million), natural disasters (24 million), and famine (101 million). Curiously, all of the world’s worst famines during the 20th century were in communist countries: China (twice!), the Soviet Union, and North Korea.

But yeah. They're saints compared to America!

Anyway, try as he might Vladmir Putin will not reverse the verdict of history that saw Russia lose nearly everything. And you get to live that reality Ulmita. How sad for you!

[Ausr]

Is said Russia is a saint in comparison to the usa. Was it that hard to comprehend?

I can't wait to see how the hell you back this claim up.

Was it that hard to comprehend?

[Ulmita]

You do realize that if the US built a factory with a meat grinder in it, and put in 1000 people in this meat grinder every day for 70 years, it, at the end, claim just under one quarter of the number of victims of Commuism in the 20th century?

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/co...n-20th-century



But yeah. They're saints compared to America!

Anyway, try as he might Vladmir Putin will not reverse the verdict of history that saw Russia lose nearly everything. And you get to live that reality Ulmita. How sad for you!

And lets blame Russia for that... right?

Lastly you've completely missed the "after ww2" part.

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Was it that hard to comprehend?

Just look at middle east.

/discussion

[Ausr]

And lets blame Russia for that... right?

Lastly you've completely missed the "after ww2" part.

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Just look at middle east.

/discussion

No, not discussion. You claimed something, back up why Russia is saintly compared to America.

[Skroe]

And lets blame Russia for that... right?

Lastly you've completely missed the "after ww2" part.

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Just look at middle east.

/discussion

Yes. Let's blame Russia for that. Let's blame the founder and heart of the Soviet Union and the nexus of global communism. That is absolutely who deserves the blame for spreading a 70 year horror that destroyed hundreds of millions of lives.

The Cold War didn't end with Tienanmen Square. It didn't end with Red China playing nice. It ended when the Soviet Union - shorthanded as Russia for most of the Cold War - was smashed to bits.


The United States has done a lot of shitty things, and will do more, but there the three high scorers on the board of horrors of the twentieth century are Russia, The Axis Powers, and Communist China.

The fact you're here trying to argue that they were somehow "less bad" after 1945 is so disconnected from reality as to defy belief. You're picking a strange and utterly worthless hill to die on Ulmita, because nobody will ever believe you.

But please don't let me stop you from trying.

[Ulmita]

No, not discussion. You claimed something, back up why Russia is saintly compared to America.

I just told you:

You have a country that has intervened whenever its people where in danger or it felt threatened by NATO moves on its borders. Russia in Georgia and Ukraine directly related to that

and then you have a nation like the USA that has fucked middle east up so much, that i am not sure that the damage is reversible.

[Deleted]

I just told you:

You have a country that has intervened whenever its people where in danger or it felt threatened by NATO moves on its borders. Russia in Georgia and Ukraine directly related to that

and then you have a nation like the USA that has fucked middle east up so much, that i am not sure that the damage is reversible.

Yeah no the states are far from saints, and their impact on the middle east is insane.

But russia are starting to get really fucking prissy lately, they are pushing it all over the place and several countries are starting to get real tired of it.
It doesnt help that their political climate seems to be rather unstable lately as well, doesnt exactly instill confidence.

So no, USA might be an asshole when it comes to war, but I would rather trust them than russia atm :P

[Ausr]

I just told you:

You have a country that has intervened whenever its people where in danger or it felt threatened by NATO moves on its borders. Russia in Georgia and Ukraine directly related to that

and then you have a nation like the USA that has fucked middle east up so much, that i am not sure that the damage is reversible.

So it's saintly when Russia invades another country. It's not saintly when America does it. Got ya... sound reasnoning.

[Ulmita]

Yeah no the states are far from saints, and their impact on the middle east is insane.

But russia are starting to get really fucking prissy lately, they are pushing it all over the place and several countries are starting to get real tired of it.
It doesnt help that their political climate seems to be rather unstable lately as well, doesnt exactly instill confidence.

So no, USA might be an asshole when it comes to war, but I would rather trust them than russia atm :P

Russia has a problem with NATO. It sees it as an existential threat. Before NATO moved in eastwards Russia was fine. Before NATO started putting the ABM shield in Europe Russia was fine. Russia asked to cooperate with NATO in the shield and they got decline. Russia asked for legal guarantees for that shield from NATO and it got rejected.

We keep poking Russia and when Russia reacts, they are the bad guys. We have our share of responsibility, make no mistake about it.

[Macaquerie]

Yeah no the states are far from saints, and their impact on the middle east is insane.

But russia are starting to get really fucking prissy lately, they are pushing it all over the place and several countries are starting to get real tired of it.
It doesnt help that their political climate seems to be rather unstable lately as well, doesnt exactly instill confidence.

So no, USA might be an asshole when it comes to war, but I would rather trust them than russia atm :P

US foreign policy is a bit of a strange beast because it is nominally conducted in the name of maintaining democracy and national sovereignty, rather than naked self-interest as in the case of the old colonial European powers or promoting international socialism as in the case of the USSR. That means we have to give substantially more rope to our allies and regional proxies, rope that they invariably use to strangle themselves. For example, to promote the goal of containing Chinese expansion in Asia we have to do it under the pretext of maintaining the territorial rights of countries like Vietnam and the Phillipines. These are obviously not countries that anyone expects to be responsible actors on the world stage, so US policy has to be a delicate balancing act to keep regional ambitions in check while at the same time securing US economic interests AND maintaining an image of respectful consensus building, and this is of course something that's really easy to fuck up if not done properly.

[Kellhound]

Actually... a good case can be made that "we" (the USN, the Obama administration, the US government, and the US in general) screwed that up - by invoking 'innocent passage' we implicitly acknowledged that we were transiting waters under Chinese control, and thus that China has a legal right to control those waters. We should have transited under freedom of the seas, and the statement in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that, "the high seas are open to all states" and thus rejected China's claim to sovereignty extending from what are clearly artificial islands (which are covered by UNCLS, and do not grant sovereignty or any other sort of national claim, though they are legal to build).

I was talking about the US saying the Chinese warship entering US (Alaskan) waters was a case of innocent passage. We generally do site freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, and it is the only reason the USN prefers to give.

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I am Australian
Mother Russian Forces had the RIGHT to check out you guys

You guys where located 70km from Mother Russia
They where just checking you guys out

We were off a very small part of "Russia" they took from Germany in 1945, hardly "Mother Russia". And as has been stated many times, it was HOW they conducted themselves that is at issue....