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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    When such content is a show of skill despite increases in gear etc, then yes, there's all reason for it to be removed when it becomes easier. It was a mistake to not remove Herald of the titans now that any 80 can faceroll it. They did luckily remove the insanity-achivements from TOTC though.
    I believe the main reason they disable them - and they don't follow ideas like keeping the difficulty up for old raids or other content - is that when they go to a new major iteration of the game - 7.x soon - the game balance completely changes, and that includes the bosses as well, the numbers the players can do to them, the utilities they can use to them. Sure, some bosses would be no problem but I bet various obscure raiding or 5man mechanics would be imbalanced if they just kept the bosses high level without changing anything.

    edit: I forgot to say, to put it simply, it's likely the lack of resources to maintain them at a balanced state. It would not be worth it. Most players would have done them already so they would not even be popular, and they have a current expansion to maintain and bug fix for months, to not say perpetually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neohobeo View Post
    show of skill ? more like show of paying 60 eur, everyone i've ever compared achievements too all got all of their challenge mode achievements on the same day which suggests boosting.

    Also herald of the titans was never hard when you knew the fight, we did it 7 man all the time before ToC release.
    You can buy everything in life. Achievements that are difficult to accomplish are bought and sold because it is a vanity commodity that is sought after to show off. Doesn't mean it's not a show of skill - it's just not the skill of the guy who bought the boost.
    As for 7 manning HoTT before TOC, it's entirely possible but I highly doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neohobeo View Post
    show of skill ? more like show of paying 60 eur, everyone i've ever compared achievements too all got all of their challenge mode achievements on the same day which suggests boosting.

    Also herald of the titans was never hard when you knew the fight, we did it 7 man all the time before ToC release.
    I completed the MoP challenge modes on every class, and yes after the first 2/3 full sets we started clearing them all in a few hours, even with 1 or 2 people in who had never done them.

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    if you 7 manned Algalon before ToC then you already had the best gear in the tier, including Algalon gear. Who cares? Herald has been "lock your xp to 80, gather appropriate gear/enchants/gems (reforge, when it was a thing), make group, kill boss" for years. All that was much harder than your 7 man group, considering people had to learn the fight and execute it properly :-P

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    Can't, wish they had a "season 2" of it since challenge modes were all about scaling down... could technically do it since technology is there... but blizz priority with garrison 2.0 =p.

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    You could always find a time machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neohobeo View Post
    show of skill ? more like show of paying 60 eur, everyone i've ever compared achievements too all got all of their challenge mode achievements on the same day which suggests boosting.
    Or people having friends ? If that many people got it the same day its just because they get used to it and rushed them in one evening on their characters.

    The only people having difficulties doing challenge mode are the people puging them and the really bad ones (and maybe, the few trying it the first few weeks on an xpack).
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    Quote Originally Posted by neohobeo View Post
    show of skill ? more like show of paying 60 eur, everyone i've ever compared achievements too all got all of their challenge mode achievements on the same day which suggests boosting.

    Also herald of the titans was never hard when you knew the fight, we did it 7 man all the time before ToC release.
    Not really. Like 2 hours and boom you got it done! During the content draught with SoO, we cleared it in two nights, and did third night for CM. A new one every week got at gold! The same applies to WoD. It took me roughly 2 hours per dungeon. The difference? Me and my work mates are in the construction industry. We get set holidays. We were off for a week so decided to use one of those days off to do all the WoD CMs. We had planned to do a few hours every night for it. All 5 ended up being online first thing in the morning to do the boring garrison shit. Thought we would do the CM quest for the gear and ended up doing them all in one day. Once you done the MoP CMs, the WoD CMs ain't that much different! So much for people saying "you can't be carried by gem slots". I am sure we were not the only ones to do this.

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    What am i supposed to search in this link/armory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neohobeo View Post
    show of skill ? more like show of paying 60 eur, everyone i've ever compared achievements too all got all of their challenge mode achievements on the same day which suggests boosting.

    Also herald of the titans was never hard when you knew the fight, we did it 7 man all the time before ToC release.
    Lol@players paying real money (instead of in-game gold) for boosting CM Modes in MoP and WoD. Especially WOD, where gold flows from everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    What am i supposed to search in this link/armory?
    for some reason he has CM set but 0 gold completed.
    Prob an armory bug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydee View Post
    for some reason he has CM set but 0 gold completed.
    Prob an armory bug.
    Not sure if you are looking in the right place - the old cm achievements are now under legacy and the character has them.

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    They should sell the chests containing the chest on the BMAH to be honest. Currently though there isn't a way to get them. Maybe they will be added back in one day but its unlikely at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    Not sure if you are looking in the right place - the old cm achievements are now under legacy and the character has them.
    Im not.. as said. armory bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydee View Post
    for some reason he has CM set but 0 gold completed.
    Prob an armory bug.
    There was a bug for awhile where just logging in on a character would grant you the completed challenge modes (and send you the transmog set in a box). The sets and achievements were removed a few days later - *if you opened the box*. If you didn't open it, you could open it after the supposed removal, and have your set.
    That is how my level 68 warrior I haven't been on since MOP, has full MOP CM gear: https://gyazo.com/36576f348929dba2f95a7fdec896157a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydee View Post
    Im not.. as said. armory bug.

    He has the achievements under Legacy. Not sure what you're trying to argue. Your picture is for WoD CMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    There was a bug for awhile where just logging in on a character would grant you the completed challenge modes (and send you the transmog set in a box). The sets and achievements were removed a few days later - *if you opened the box*. If you didn't open it, you could open it after the supposed removal, and have your set.
    That is how my level 68 warrior I haven't been on since MOP, has full MOP CM gear: https://gyazo.com/36576f348929dba2f95a7fdec896157a
    Ah yeah, recall hearing some drama about that early in. Eitherway, Some people might find these odd ones out from time to time and asume you can still obtain it (hence threads like this)

    Quote Originally Posted by Adramelch View Post
    He has the achievements under Legacy. Not sure what you're trying to argue. Your picture is for WoD CMs.
    the hell are you talking about? No its not, its literally taken FROM his armory with full CM set transmogged, if you have mop ones it shows 9 done, if mop AND WoD it shows 17, if only WoD it shows 8.
    And im fully aware of that it shows under legacy, Im just explaining what the poster who linked his armory saw, and thought he was capable of obtaining the set once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydee View Post
    the hell are you talking about? No its not, its literally taken FROM his armory with full CM set transmogged, if you have mop ones it shows 9 done, if mop AND WoD it shows 17, if only WoD it shows 8.
    And im fully aware of that it shows under legacy, Im just explaining what the poster who linked his armory saw, and thought he was capable of obtaining the set once again.
    Ah, yeah, you are right (never really paid attention to the "front page", I typically just go straight to achievements). Still though, I think the poster linked the armor because all of the MoP golds were achieved the same day, as that ties in with the discussion that was ongoing before his post. We'll never know I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebdc View Post
    By that definition nothing is hard. Astrophysics? No problem, just know your shit, then it's easy.
    Ehhh. I think this is somewhat applicable to the CMs. By consensus most agree that MoP CMs were pretty easy. Once the guide videos started hitting youtube and the forums, the main challenge (actually planning CDs/pots/various cheese items--aka saulyin warscout banner) was gone. We had people 3 man carrying much like now with soul cap because tanks could abuse vengeance so well. Mechanically and throughput-wise CMs were not difficult as I mentioned. It was essentially all cerebral. If you had a good plan and route Gold was very accessible. To me the MoP CMs set says to me that you either played in MoP and wanted the set enough to pay for it, or you played in MoP and could watch a guide and then replicate that 9 times.

    Personally I'm of the opinion that they should show up on the BMAH at some point in the game's life-cycle. I think Legion is far too early for that, but maybe next expac. You still have the "prestige" for two expansions but then it at least becomes attainable with enough patience and gold. You had people pay way less than gold cap for it anyways, what's the harm in letting people use it as a gold sink?
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