Turkey is turning into the unfunny version of North Korea. Kim atleast has the appearance of a big baby so it works when he goes nuts
Nothing justifies arresting her in any civilized country. It's bullshit that this would even be illegal in Turkey for a Turkish citizen to do, it's absolute batshit buggery of the fucking fuckest order that other countries in Europe are collaborating in it.
Erdogan is a twat. Come at me bro.
I'm not 'defending' it, just pointing out the facts.
'Spinning it' is what those implying she did not break any local laws did.
Just because we think those laws are disgusting does not give us the authority to ignore them.
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Hopefully your not adessing that at me, because I'm not defending those laws.
Yes you are or at the very least justifying it. You are saying it's okay to arrest a person for writing, commenting and what not anywhere, since it got 'retweeted'. So actually the comments made weren't made in Turkey, now for me to believe that she got arrested for that is rather hard since all the other recent media stories around these incidents doesn't seem to really matter where comments were made. Seeing how emoturk is demanding prosecution of people that made any comments about him and he hiding behind his bodyguards who bully reporters or at least try to out of the room.
Now the argument of "its their laws!" would also be good if we believe that Turkeys law system is not compromised heavily due to political influences if not corrupt. You would have to be a fool to believe that.
Atleast Erdogan is giving our political parties something to agree on.
Its quite rare.
"A Dutch journalist was arrested early Sunday (April 24) at her home in Turkey for tweets deemed critical of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to her Twitter account.
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Umar recently wrote a piece critical of Erdogan for the Dutch daily Metro, extracts of which she then tweeted, leading to her arrest."
Thanks to that backwards country Europe isn't getting flooded with refugees.
I love how people just pull statements out of their ass like this. What the hell has Erdogan done or announced he would do that would want to lower tourism to Turkey? People are seriously so brainwashed to hate Erdogan that they can't think clearly anymore. He has a lot of flaws and weird ideas but this is ridiculous.
Except it doesn't as the information that she was arrested for her tweets comes FROM HER OWN TWITTER.
And why the hell should I support her when she's breaking the law? I wouldn't want foreigners coming to the Netherlands and breaking the law here either, so why should I support someone with a Dutch passport who is doing that abroad?
Doesn't matter, if she retweets it while in Turkey. Retweeting things that are punishable by law without distancing yourself from what you retweet is pretty much the same as tweeting it yourself. When you take into account that she is even the original writer of the piece it's even more obvious what she tries to convey by retweeting that article.
She was breaking the law in Turkey. She tweeted fucker Erdogan and retweeted her own insulting column from last week from her vacation home in Kusadasi (Turkey).
Also, what secular law is Turkey scrapping? This law has nothing to do with secularism or lack thereof. If anything it's a nationalist law.
You find it indefensible that she gets arrested for breaking the law somewhere?
Yes, because why should we be sanctioning Turkey for arresting someone who broke the law? Imagine a Turk comes here and breaks the law and Turkey starts sanctioning the Netherlands for it until they send him/her back. That's utterly ridiculous. There's no way in hell the Netherlands would sanction Turkey for this lol. We still do business with Saudi Arabia who execute people from being critical of Islam or for being homosexual. The Netherlands cares too much about that sweet cashflow to show balls over minor incidents like this. We're not a big political player in the world anymore. That ended with World War 2. We're far too dependent on other countries for pretty much everything. The only time the Netherlands ever sanctions any country in any way is if it's done by the EU collectively.
https://twitter.com/umarebru/status/723760511662301184
Also, she has been in Turkey since April 17th and her column was published on the 21st and she retweeted it herself.
Those are most likely the two tweets she got arrested for.
One may not disagree with such law, that doesn't give you right complain about its application. This is the nature of law and it is the only way to make it work. "I do not want to enforce this law, because it doesn't fit my world view" is absurd. If it's not a proper law, people can always urge politicians to change it. If it's there, you have to make it work. By "making it work" here, I do not necessarily mean looking for random people who might have broken some fringe law, but applying it when someone/some attorney goes to court.
I think you are either completely ignorant regarding the basics of law, or your hate for Erdogan is barring your brain to function properly. This also seems like the case for @Acidbaron. You guys are entertaining a weird form of idealism that is fundamentally in conflict with the nature of modern judiciary systems. I am personally in favor of removing any kind of special protection for politicians, save for Ataturk (this is for some more complex reasons), but if it's there, I can't really complain about its application.
As for putting sanctions to Turkey, just more of the same weird idealism that I often see in ignorant people. Turkey buys way more than it sells to Europe. It's a one of the best customer Europe has, why would you lose a customer for some random bullshit in Turkey? Besides, no one would actually notice if Netherlands puts sanctions to Turkey. Your country is simply too small to have an actual effect so I doubt anyone would complain.
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Seriously though, fuck Erdogan. What kinda leader freaks out over tweets, fb posts, youtube, etc?
This is about as backwards and ridiculous as saying that because I recognize that Hitler used the Jews as a target to consolidate his power that I support or justify his actions. She was arrested because she violated Turkish law, contrary to claims that she should not have been arrested because she did tweets in the Netherlands. Not liking this Turkish law does not mean that said law does not exist.
All the leaders there are now can never be compared with Hitler.
Don't believe everything yo uread in history books.
Hitler was one of the greatest leaders ever, saving his people fighting for them.
Now our leaders are trying to destroy their own people...
And it also not mean they have the rigth to arrest a dutch citizen for this bullshit without getting any backlash from the dutch government.
We, the Dutch, should in no way feel obliged to respect those laws.
Acid is spot on, its backwards to do nothing about this bullshit.
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It is typically a bad idea to criticize a dictator...while in said dictator's country.
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